While what has happened at Guruvayoor temple should put our heads down in shame in this 21st Century, the politicians have no locus standi to condemn this. It is only the politicians who have on numerous occassions bent the religious practices to back seat to suit their needs. They have made devotees stand for hours to have easy darshan for themselves. They have misused temple money, property and what not because the God do not question them immediately. Mr.Vayalar Ravi, if he is a peace minding politician, should have asked the Devaswam authorities, whether they have any objection in doing the ceremony inside the temple and take their concurrence. It was his Political arrogance, which brushed aside the objection of people connected to the temple and indulged in the ceremony and now blaming Braminical arrogance. If temples in South India, more particularly those in Tamil Nadu and Kerala is to regain their effectiveness, the politicians should take vow not to enter the temple.
Hindus are nature worshipers. A Hindu never hesitates to visit a church or darga or any other religious place. A Hindu has no objection for others to pray at the temple. The coterie who controls the temple bring shame to Hindus. Hindus should boycott such temples. The priests should be transferred or terminated. Insult to Vayalar Ravi is an insult to progressive Hindus. It is high time to redress the arrogance of temple priests.
I think after reading this article, India is still in BC. There must be a MASS conversion of lower caste people into Islam or Christianity, untill the sick headed priests get that every human being is equal. Just because they are the guardians of Temples doesnt mean they should act like dictators.
I think the missionaries and Islam preachers are doing right job atleast in India.They are empowering the poor lowercaste people from sick headed people who wants to terrorise and deny freedom of practicing religion in India.
RE:Mass Conversion
by P Raghavan on Jun 04, 2007 07:30 PM Permalink
Why into Islam and Christianity? Each of these religions have their own halls of shame. if you look at the Christian conquest of the South American civilisations, you will understand the blood at the Pope's hands! And there is nothing to say about Islam which is the evergreen source of terrorists.
RE:Mass Conversion
by Surya on Jun 04, 2007 07:41 PM Permalink
Christian n Islam hall of shame is better than the rotten hall of shame of Hindus. Who is brave will conquer. who is weak n cunning n immoral cries on others success like hindus and names it peace. Peace non-violent hindus cunningly deceive their fellow humans.
In other religions if any one comes to their temple they are welcomed and treated with great respect. But IN Hinduism the great cultured one. See what they do. That shows great culture.Same on hindus and their culture.
RE:RE:Mass Conversion
by Debashri Sengupta on Jun 04, 2007 07:47 PM Permalink
Oh! Even in other religions, people are not really welcome in their places of worship. You have been to a Church, fine... but have the priests there, let you partake in the Bread and Wine? You are welcome because you are looked upon as a possible convert. There is no other reason! In Hinduism also, there are temples where people of other religion are allowed. Just because some stupid priests in a temple have demeaned a worshipper doesn't mean Hinduism is better or worse than other religions. They are all equally bad!
RE:Mass Conversion
by biz Narayan on Jun 04, 2007 07:31 PM Permalink
Every human is inequal... you know that, Sheela Bhat thrives on inequality. Those who preach conversion are already converted to ideals atleast.
RE:Mass Conversion
by Rohit on Jun 04, 2007 07:32 PM Permalink
Or else they can believe in Jesus, or Adonyss, or Mithras, or Osiris. The last three were all dying and resurrecting gods before Jesus. All have December 25th as birth date. All dies on Friday. What good choice !!!
RE:Mass Conversion
by Krishnaswamy Raghavan on Jun 04, 2007 07:40 PM Permalink
Don't try to justify mass conversions on the basis of this act at Guruvayoor. Muslim religious leaders rejected even the funding by non-hindus for renovation of their mosques. Have you ever seen a Muslim allowing a non-muslim to enter a mosque or a dead sunny allowed to be buried in a shia burial ground? Outdated religious practices prevail in every religion, and more particularly in Islam and Christianity. If you want to fall into fire for fear of swimming across a pond, nobody can stop you. Hinduism, byfar, is the most tolerant of all religions, and you can see in the adjoining Tamil Naduhow they are silent to the scathing attack of non-believers.
RE:RE:Mass Conversion
by Surya on Jun 04, 2007 08:00 PM Permalink
Krishnaswamy Raghavan
I dont support any religion..i dont support violence to fellow human being for religious reason Attaks by uneducated mobs on non believers i dont think this is same as the Priests who are wise and know things doing these kind of things.
RE:Mass Conversion
by Srivathsan V on Jun 04, 2007 07:36 PM Permalink
These things mentioned is called as opportunism and exploitation under the shadow of religion. Every man shud understand and accept certain preachings and are not to preached during the hour of need
RE:Mass Conversion
by Rohit on Jun 04, 2007 07:30 PM Permalink
Yeah they can enjoy the Great Sharia laws of the Tribal Religion of the Arabian Desert. And also have Music, Art and Freedom banned. Great Idea
RE:Mass Conversion
by Jaabar on Jun 04, 2007 07:35 PM Permalink
hinduism is religion of cult which teaches for committing greater sin against God by bowing their head to rats, elephant headed bodies, cockroaches, snakes, ants, donkeys etc.
RE:Mass Conversion
by A.Rajaraman on Jun 06, 2007 03:10 PM Permalink
sri jaabar, Hindus believe that in every thing their is God and he is all prevading. God is in you and you are the God. It will take you many births to understand that.
RE:Mass Conversion
by Debashri Sengupta on Jun 04, 2007 07:43 PM Permalink
For your kind information, even after conversion, the so-called untouchables remain untouchables. They face the same kind of problems as converted Muslims or Christians. Even in Goa, where the conversions happened centuries ago, there is a vast crevice between the 'Brahmin Catholics' and the other Catholics. Organized religion only creates more problems. Conversions or even Reservations are not a solution.
RE:RE:Mass Conversion
by Surya on Jun 04, 2007 07:51 PM Permalink
Debashri Sengupta
Atleast they are not treated like scum after conversion.I am sure no religion is true but getting treated like this is the height of REAL HINDU culture. I get laugh when someone shouts on mike that great HINDU culture i try to recollect great culture and this one comes to my mind.
RE:Mass Conversion
by asokan a on Jun 04, 2007 07:37 PM Permalink
If one's house is not clean he would not change his house. Take a broom stick. Sweep the religion clean of dirty people and ideals.
RE:Mass Conversion
by Anand Iyer on Jun 04, 2007 07:34 PM Permalink
No. In BC it was not like this. That fake Manu and his fake Manu Smriti is the cause of all this degradation. Dump this fake book and read Gita.
Hindu temples should be cleaned more often because more people who are hindus by name visit it. SOme of these proud hindus can't survive without meat and social drinks, but would give lectures on Geeta.
What difference it makes if these meat and liquor eating people convert to other religions ? Number politics is a different thing, religion is a different thing.
For this minister the issue could be lil convoluted, but why he is so worked by the purification.
In an American church which is manged by the whites, a negro boy entered to Worship the LORD.The whites couldnot tolerate him and he was whipped out from the church.On his way back there appeared an old man and he enquired why he was upset.He narrated everything ; then the old man said "don't worry and bother to go there any more to that church because they have casted out me also from their church".saying this the old man disappeared. The old man was JESUS himself.
As usual, people like you are trying to fish in troubled water.
Why a Xtian will visita Hindu temple when he/she does NOT believe in Hinduism, and its rituals?
EVERY HINDU, INCLUDING DALITS MUST BE ALLOWED TO ENTER HINDU TEMPLE. AND GURUVAYUR DOES ALLOW THAT. BUT HINDU TEMPLES WILL NOT ALLOW NON-HINDUS LIKE RAVI'S WIFE.
RE:RE:They Have Driven out the Lord even
by Anand Iyer on Jun 04, 2007 07:28 PM Permalink
Bhaskar. Grow up. Read this: "I am equally present in all beings; there is none hateful or dear to me....I too stand revealed in them"[Bhagvad Gita, 9:29]
RE:They Have Driven out the Lord even
by vydhyanath s on Jun 04, 2007 07:41 PM Permalink
True. Arrogancy of cheap politicians to term some act of someone as "Brahminical arrogance" needs to be condemned. Mr.Ravi keep your mouth shut and challenge your grievience in a court of law. Don't you even utter a single word on any particular community which will lead to chaos.
RE:They Have Driven out the Lord even
by Srinivas on Jun 04, 2007 07:27 PM Permalink
This is bulshit story narrated by christian converting agencies sprea across in the country. Like this we have heard many in th past. There is a church in the Sout Africa other then Christian no one is allowed. What you say for this?
The first one is saying Nair and Namboodthiri, both aare matriarchal, which is not the case. Namboothiri, the Kerala Brahmin follows Patriarchism.
The second one is saying Guruvayoorappan is an avatar of Lord Krishna. He is not considered as avtar of Krishna, but Krishna himself, more specifically Krishna as an infant.
And the third is Ravi saying the whole issue is because he is of backward caste Ezhava. The issue was his wife being Christian and Hindu Temples in Kerala does'nt allow non hindus to enter temple premises.
So his son was not considered a Hindu because his mother was Christian.
Ravi has every right to feel aggrieved but being a responsibe citizen and a leader of status he should not distort facts ang give it a casteist colour. Especially in Kerala's background where casteism is not at all prevelant.
RE:Three Wrong Points in this Article
by on Jun 04, 2007 07:39 PM Permalink
Ravi is totally wrong and trying to encash this issue for politcal benifit. Congress lost hindu votes in kerala and he is exploiting the situtation. The only reason Ravi is Union Minister because he married a Christian. To be in power in congress, you should have some kind of christian connection. Take the example of Ravi, Antony, Andhra Chief Minister.
Hindu temples over the years have evolved their own practices and traditions. If for some reason you are not happy with the customs you do not have to visit it. Where is brahminical arrogance in this. Why only Hindu tmeples are the subject matter of reformation. Recently the grand Mufti of Kashmir issued a fatwa prohibiting non muslims from bulding mosques as the army wanted to do so as part of the Sadbhavana operation. Has the governement considered this arrogance of the Mufti or the Imams. Respect the tradtions of the religious isntitutions and leave them alone. If they are practising gross human rights violations maybe it is a case for reformation. Otherwide the tmeples have susrvivied with or without our social do gooders. Ramki4
RE:Temple Entry
by Anand VG on Jun 04, 2007 07:28 PM Permalink
You are absolutely correct. They accept the sentiments of minorites where as they blow up these cases beyond proportion.
To be frank, India is no longer a secular country. Its pseudo secular country.
Now we indian leave in modern world, now the rule and regulation should change, we are not living in 19th century, political patries should come forward to slove an amicable solution, all caste system should be abloished, each and every citizen should have the right to worship, any god, human being are made all rule not the god! god did not say dont come & see me better change the thinking of pepole leave in peace and harmony
These priests who meted out this disgusting treatment to Ravi's family should read these:
"He in whom good conduct is manifest, is a Brahmin and in whom this is absent, treat such as Shudra". Mahabharata III.180.27
"It is tapas(austerity and penance) which makes one a Brahmin and not his birth"-Srimad Bhagavatham
"Not study, not learning is the cause of Brahmin status. Conduct is the basis..." Mahabharata III.312.106
Do these priests claim that they r greater authority on scriptures than Lord Krishna and Veda Vyasa(also regarded as incarnation of Vishnu)????
Purification of temple is not necessary. First these priests should purify their own minds and hearts. They have violated the commandments of the Lord in Gita in his own temple. Let them read the 12th and 16th Chapters of Gita
RE:Ignorant priests
by biz Narayan on Jun 04, 2007 07:21 PM Permalink
Purification of the temple is necessary when people suspected of eating prohibited meats or have shadowy life style is suspected. Hindus shouldn;t destroy the sanctity of temples by mamking unreasonable demands.
