This is the way MOTHER INDIA will evolve in few years. So Vylar Ravi clearly states that he is no different than any other Hindu. All politicians of our country listen \" SO ALL PEOPLE OF INDIA ARE EQUAL AND THERE IS NO RELIGION, NO CASTE AND THEN THERE IS NO RESERVATION TOO. THERE ARE ONLY TWO CASTES THAT IS RICH AND THE POOR\" AND POOR DESERVES BENEFITS WITH PROPER ACCOUNTABILTY SO AS NURTURE THEM TILL THEY ARE FIT TO LOOK AFTER THEMSELVES AND THEN THEY SHOULD BE PROMOTED AS RICH. THEN INDIA CAN BECOME HEAVEN TO EVERYONE IN THIS WORLD. Vylar Ravi should also ensure that all will enter temples of Kerala and also there should be reservation only to the poor AND NOT ON CASTE BASIS.
RE:'It is Brahminical arrogance'
by biz Narayan on Jun 05, 2007 10:17 AM Permalink
Anantha wants a marxist class analysis ! Good money there too ! Good oopurtinity there too.
RE:'It is Brahminical arrogance'
by anantha krishna on Jun 05, 2007 10:21 AM Permalink
thanks Narayan, i think such issues media should debate for the good. If possible forward to known media people so that the present generation changes for the good.
In India, it is a now the fashion to find fault with Brahmins under any pretext. In Guruvayur, Thantri did what he is duty bound to do. Understand, Tantri doesn't sit in the "gopuram" checking the antecedents of each entrant into the temple. When a report comes to him that a non-hindu has entered the temple, he is duty bound to order "punyaham" - this is not to insult the wrong doer, but to purity the abode of the God. Punyaham was carried out in Guruvayur temple innumerable times, and no one bothers to trace the offending "non-hindu", but only cared about purifying the temple abode. In fact "punyaham" forms part of every brahminical ritual, and it is normal the performer of a rite is always purified with a "punyaham" to carry out that destined rite. In Vayalar Ravi's case too, when entry of a non-hindu was reported to the Tantri, he ordered the punyaham, not to insult Vayalar Ravi, but to purify the temple abode. A similar incident happened in the case of same Vayalar Ravi. Knowing this fact, if he was so concerned as he seems to now, he should have clarified with the temple authorities to prove his/family's hindu lineage. Without taking that basic action, it may be that he was indeed trying to create a controvorsy. Having said all, let all guruvayurappa bhakthas enter the temple without any restrictions, that would be a wonderfun reform, but let the authorities to change the rule allowing free entry, so that the Tanthri will not be forced to do a bounden duty.
Why is govt involves in temple affairs and not church affairs or mosque affairs. Nobody knows whats happening in a mosque.There are programs in mosques on how to convert this country to bring under the total influence of islam in kerla. Why are any politicians not even opening the topic let alone doing anything about it.
Having said that, Hindusism should seriously think about accepting people from other faith to stop people from moving away from it.
RE:temtple affairs
by biz Narayan on Jun 05, 2007 10:10 AM Permalink
The christists interpret hinduism in terms of races, Periyar, Sheela Bhat all would accept that. [ Check the guru of Sheela Bhat, two captive sociologists, maculayian experts].
One has to see how the marxists and other ideological religions bind people to politics. That way people will get out of false paths !!!!
Brahmins are the last surviving pillars of Hinduism. While all you idiots are trying to take it apart, you dont even understand that you are pouring sand on your own head.
ALl you hypocrites, why dont u invite a dalit to perform your baby's ceremony and your marriage? You need pandits for that but you will enter the holy temple without taking a shower while consuming alchohol, meat and cigarettes.
If a Brahmin says something then there is a Veidc reason behind it. If you could just shut your mouth and obey what they say, you guys would improve little bit. Otherwise you will stay in you pig den and stink!
Learn to respect Brahmins. They are the traditional guides and keepers of Sanathan Dharma.
Otherwise convert to christianty, islam or buddism. Leave Hinduism alone to real Hindus.
Yes,the Guruvayyur Devasthanam (temple authorities') action is condemnable. It's all because of untouchability, secterianism and caste that caused Hinduism 's downfall and will lead to its demise. Many of the upper caste people are not listening to all this even at this juncture.
RE:'It is Brahminical arrogance'
by biz Narayan on Jun 05, 2007 10:00 AM Permalink
There are tons of these barbarians, who practice ideological religion, destroy civillizations and blame it on the natural causes !
Taking over by hostile marxist is no issue for Rajeswari, she would be an NGO or hostile activist herself.
RE:'It is Brahminical arrogance'
by brahman on Jun 05, 2007 09:58 AM Permalink
hi Rajeswari.. have you conducted any religious ceremony at your residence, or did you go to any temple to conduct a particular private relieigous ceremony like the naming ceremomy, feeding ceremony, etc... ever had to conduct a Sradhdha (yearly remembrance of the departed soul).... or you do these things yourself without the help of a priest (upper caste)... Prorogative of doing puja is not of upper caste and brahmins... even you can do it...then why every other caste (other than the upper caste brahmins) is depending on brahmins to do these type of activities? is that is acceptable to you, then you need to accept certain conditions and beliefs followed by them tooo...
This idea is to be thought by Mr. Ravi before 4 decades when he got married to mercy. That is the tradition of Guruvayour temple means as a devotee he should accept that. May be he can pollute indian politics not guruvayour temple. When that is the ritual of a temple he dont have any rights to poke his nose in every aspect. Do something for your 24.5 % ezhavar community and get fame not on cheap publicities
I think Ravi is looking at the entire episode from a totally negative point of view...He feels that he is (or was) untouchable and his wife is a christian, on their entry to the temple, the thanthri's conducted purification of the temple... It is wrong to state that the temple management came to know about the religion of Ravi's wife after the feeding ceremony....Ravi himself mentioned that he is in public life for the last 50 years, in that case, certain most of the people would know that his wife is a christian (including the temple management). Even after knowing that, since he is a hindu believer, the temple allowed him to conduct the feeding ceremony of his grandson (even his son's marriage). Having fullfilled his wish and faith, if the temple has followed the consequent rituals (being followed for decades), what is wrong in that. If the temple management and or thanthri's were arrogant ( 'brahminical arrogance' as per Ravi), then they would not have even allowed Ravi's grand son's feeding ceremony inside the temple (and earlier his son's marriage)...
Many a temples, not only in Kerala, several parts of the country, follows certain traditions, faiths, rituals and certain procedures for immemorial years and challenging or stopping these activities would adversely effect the faith and believes of the devotees.
A pure devotee should not bother about how the temple conducts and its procedures, but, to abide by the rules set by every temples for that matte
RE:customs will continue...faith is important
by arjun on Jun 05, 2007 09:59 AM Permalink
OK what if there is a temple and you Brahmins are not allowed inside.Think abt that ...Is it needed....Even after 10000000000 years brahmins attitude will never change........
RE:customs will continue...faith is important
by biz Narayan on Jun 05, 2007 10:06 AM Permalink
DOn;t follow ideologiocal religions, churchians bind people to churches and use it for politics. If this aspect won;t be there, then it is okay to have pvt temples.
RE:customs will continue...faith is important
by brahman on Jun 05, 2007 10:06 AM Permalink
arjun... so long as we depend on brahmins to conduct the temple affairs and religious affairs, we will have to respect their beliefs and faith...
If there is a temple which restricts brahmins, well and good, they will not even think of coming there... wherever there are brhmins that place itself is equivlent to temple - because they create the religious environment..
khajuraho, elephanta etc. also has idols of Gods, but you visit there for tourism purpose and not for doing puja or worship..right...
religious and devotional environment is always created (with or with idols) and that is what the Brahmins do..for the benefit of others beliefsand faith in God..
Believe in brahminism is equivalent to believing in God
RE:customs will continue...faith is important
by biz Narayan on Jun 05, 2007 10:08 AM Permalink
Arjun seems to be a periyar racism supporter, see his other msgs.
RE:RE:customs will continue...faith is important
by arjun on Jun 05, 2007 10:15 AM Permalink
biz Narayan, Thanks for calling me a Racist.....But please go back and think how come racism came into existence.I have nothing against Brahmins no personal vengeance nothing excpt the fact that You made segregation based on caste and i always believe that all are equal whatever caste or creed you are....Y cant u accept that all are equal...answer this..I do not want to malign brahmins but plez answer my question???
RE:customs will continue...faith is important
by brahman on Jun 05, 2007 10:33 AM Permalink
arjun... you are undoubtedly correct... all human beings are equal... certain groups of people beliefe in certain Gods whether it is Allah, Yesu or Krishna and take to their own path of worship or follow religion. In every religion, there are customs and rules to follow the faith. Hinduism is a way of life and not a religion..people to take to this way of life has to follow the procedure, customs, beliefs and restrictions...since there is a particular section within Hindu who are being provided with the responsibility of taking care of the temples, rituals, ceremonies and other religious activities, who are called the Brahmins. when other people within the Hinduism followers believes in them doing the ceremonies or temple rituals, it is the disciple and responsibility of people/devotees that they follow the principles and guidelines practices by the Brahmins...
Would we be able to do away with Brahmins in temples and any religious ceremonies...if we are able to achieve that, then we don't have to bother about the customs and procedures set forth by them...
RE:RE:customs will continue...faith is important
by arjun on Jun 05, 2007 10:40 AM Permalink
Great But where does untouchability come into picture.If you wnat to perform poojas do it because i am sick of the mantras....Go ahead but y cant other caste or religious people enter into the temple..We do not perform the pooja do it urself....But treat us equally y cant u do that.....
If the human beings are able to take the decesion in their part then it is meanful to say that there is no god. If there is god let him take his problem howcome the human people can support god to resolve his problem. ????????????
RE:WASH YOUR HEARTS
by arjun on Jun 05, 2007 09:58 AM Permalink
Mr HUman what bun maska said is correct.Before you aks him to take shower please clean ur ass..You stink...
RE:WASH YOUR HEARTS
by Inadvertently Human on Jun 05, 2007 10:04 AM Permalink
THere is a reason you were born in a lower caste! Because of you retarted ways of past. It is you who stinks.
