Sir i have been seeing your posts all over this discussion and i have one small doubt.What is meant by a pure temple....Answer this question....U say that sex and chicken eating people spoil temple purity...Oh my goodness.The most famous temple in Kerala the lord ayyappa temple the most pure temple was taken care by a tanthri who had sex with a prositute and gave all the money to her.When it was found out why u guys did not wash it with the world's best cleaning powder.Was the temple so called purity not affected.If you can allow such a pesron to enter into the garpagraha then y cant ravi enter into guruvayoor.I am sorry to say this but no ther option.....
RE:TEMPLE PURITY
by biz Narayan on Jun 05, 2007 11:10 AM Permalink
"U say that sex and chicken eating people spoil temple purity" - please quote exact words. You failed to understand what was posted. Else ask for clarification where it was posted.
Your question involves an accusation and character assasination. One has to ignore that.
So the question what is pure temple :- I never have heard anything called a pure temple ! If you are asking abt the ritual of purification, the priest of that temple must doing this ritual to himslef more often in a single day than the no of times you curse him.
RE:RE:TEMPLE PURITY
by biz Narayan on Jun 05, 2007 11:12 AM Permalink
This means more honest to himself, and to the devotees. He does it on himself. This is like intellectual ritual of measuring equality (of their targets) and creating violence ( impure).
Brahmins are the last surviving pillars of Hinduism. While all you idiots are trying to take it apart, you dont even understand that you are pouring sand on your own head.
ALl you hypocrites, why dont u invite a dalit to perform your baby's ceremony and your marriage? You need pandits for that but you will enter the holy temple without taking a shower while consuming alchohol, meat and cigarettes.
If a Brahmin says something then there is a Veidc reason behind it. If you could just shut your mouth and obey what they say, you guys would improve little bit. Otherwise you will stay in you pig den and stink!
Learn to respect Brahmins. They are the traditional guides and keepers of Sanathan Dharma.
Otherwise convert to christianty, islam or buddism. Leave Hinduism alone to real Hindus.
RE:Learn to respect Brahmins
by Sivakumar Balasubramanian on Jun 05, 2007 10:53 AM Permalink
Dear Inadvertently Human, Thanks for your message. But I dont agree to your last point of convert to other religion, just because one dont understand the intricacies of the true religion like SANATAN DHARMA. But one should try to educate masses about the meaning of this true world-class-religion. I have read bhagavad gita and some vedic literatures on my own interest (inspite of belonging to SC) and I find no reason that why "varna" is not accepted. The only reason is that people follow it blindly without knowing the essence. The various "varnas" is a means to measure spiritual elevation. Where is the question of material comfort in spirituality. If one understand that they are not their body, but spirit soul in absolute, all these issue will be solved. Time will answer anyway....
RE:Learn to respect Brahmins
by Anand Iyer on Jun 05, 2007 10:47 AM Permalink
No. Brahmins r not the pillars of Hinduism. Pillars of hinduism is Bhagvad Gita-the words of Lord himself(sakshat kathamatha swayam). Brahmins should command respect and notr demand respect. "Not study not learning is the cause of Brahmin status.Conduct is the basis.." Yudhisthira to the yaksha in Mahabharata-III.312.106
RE:RE:Learn to respect Brahmins
by Ramakrishna Panicker on Jun 05, 2007 10:57 AM Permalink
How a human soul can say like follows, some times, like the Oath for the students by Dr. Kalam, this Human's parents would have planted 5 saplings at that time they are fruted by this time.
by Inadvertently Human on Jun 05, 2007 10:14 AM I dont agree with you. Non-Hindus and non-believers of Sanathan Dharma have no business in holy Temples.
These "foreign" religions eat cow, buffalo and pig. Lord Krishna is a cow-herd. In Goloka Vrindavan he rears Cows. So you want an cow-slaughtering idiot entering holh Temple premises?
THese people should be arrested and dragged out. We need a sign "Dogs and non-Hindus are not welcome".
RE:RE:RE:Learn to respect Brahmins
by Anand Iyer on Jun 05, 2007 11:07 AM Permalink
Dear Ramikrishna, Yudhishtira insisted that the Dog following him should be allowed into heaven along with him. So if Dog is allowed in heaven, it is allowed in temple.
As for non-hindus. when Lord Krishna says that "I am equally present in all beings-none is dear to me or hated by me"(Gita, 9:29), then how can u bar non-hindus from temple?
RE:Barhmanical arrogance is a root cause of the Indian Society
by Sivakumar Balasubramanian on Jun 05, 2007 10:39 AM Permalink
Sir/Madam, Do not try to take mileage on Anti-Brahminism. I belong to SC community and still I dont belive that current situation is due to Brahminical arrogance. Just because majority of people dont understand about Vedas and intricacies and meaning of Varnas they always target poor brahmins. Reality is that without Brahminism, india will fall. Again note, Brahminism is quality and not by birth. Dont pour hot oil on your head without knowing things.
RE:Barhmanical arrogance is a root cause of the Indian Society
by biz Narayan on Jun 05, 2007 10:35 AM Permalink
Ant-Brahminisim, also called Brahminism is attacked by fraud ideologues who attacked India during dark ages.
Mr. Politician, If your believe is strong then you should respect all costums of your religion. Caste system is not created by you or me, its a fact of hinduism. If you believe in hinduism then you wouldn't have said those things against priests and the hinduism. Your ministry doesn't work in religion and believe. You should realise what you are as human not as politician.
RE:If your believe is strong in a religion then you should respect it.
by Anand Iyer on Jun 05, 2007 10:34 AM Permalink
Correction Shahrukh. According to the Bhagvad Gita, there r four "classes" according to qualities and deeds and not four "castes". Caste is birth-based concept.That trashbook Manu Smriti is the genesis of the Birth-based caste system. Pity these ignorant guys who thing that that fake Manu is a greater authority than the Lord himself. So Ravi is right in protesting.
RE:If your believe is strong in a religion then you should respect it.
by biz Narayan on Jun 05, 2007 10:37 AM Permalink
Where the hell it is written that there are four classes ? You must have imagines something here, and attributing to others. Iyer is trying to be a new prophet !
RE:If your believe is strong in a religion then you should respect it.
by Anand Iyer on Jun 05, 2007 10:42 AM Permalink
"Chaturvarnya maya shrushta guna karma vibhagasaha"[Chapter No.4, verse no.13 of Gita]. Iam not a Prophet-whether true or false. I am exposing that false Prophet-that fake called Manu. He was a Brahmin fanatic who belived in dynasty. That a Brahmin offspring should get same respect as his accomplished father without offspring doing any effort.Get It???? Dynasty-was is Manuwad
RE:If your believe is strong in a religion then you should respect it.
by biz Narayan on Jun 05, 2007 11:16 AM Permalink
WHy do you think I didn't know it. That thing is translated into castes to find scintific race, class to find class wars. The question was where did you find that class is written instead of caste ?
RE:If your believe is strong in a religion then you should respect it.
by biz Narayan on Jun 05, 2007 10:38 AM Permalink
A Whole lot of marxists think the 'class' is god. They need to evolve !
RE:If your believe is strong in a religion then you should respect it.
by SHAHRUKH NIZAMI on Jun 05, 2007 10:46 AM Permalink
I dont believe any politician can fit in a "pure class". definately priests of temple are at right side. they did what they strongly believe. there is no politics behind the priests but this miniter is a pure politician.
RE:If your believe is strong in a religion then you should respect it.
by Anand Iyer on Jun 05, 2007 10:52 AM Permalink
Dear Shahrukh, If u believe that muslims r right in restricting the entry of non-muslims in Mecca and that is the teaching of Isla-I have nothing to say to that.
But restricting entry of non-hindus in temples violates the scriptural injunctions of Gita. So, first see what Gita says, then argue.
I am pained as a citizen of India that our honourable minister doesent even know that god is only for brahmins not for others. we are fools to follow this gods.
RE:purification of temple after the visit of ravi.
by biz Narayan on Jun 05, 2007 10:33 AM Permalink
Sell that pain to gain more converts to your ideology. Thats what you are supposed to do.
RE:purification of temple after the visit of ravi.
by brahman on Jun 05, 2007 10:36 AM Permalink
ramprasad - please do not follow God... follow your faith, belief and the way of life... you will never get hurt..
Shame on the priests for violating the teachings of Lord Krishna in his own temple.See what the Lord says in verse no.29 of Chapter No.9 of Bhagvad Gita: "I am equally present in all beings;there is none hateful or dear to me".(Samo aham sarva bhuteshu na me dveshyo asti na prihah)
These ignmorant fellas purify the temple. They need to purify their minds and hearts first by reading the Lord's teachings.
See what the marathi saints say: "Kaya hi pandhari Atma ha vitthala" The body is Pandharpur(where Vitthala the God resides) and soul is the Lord. So, if a Christian or muslim enters the temple to pay his respects to the Lord, how is temple rendered impure????????????
RE:Shame on the priests
by brahman on Jun 05, 2007 10:39 AM Permalink
Anand - if you believe in what Krishna said, then you should not be visiting or praying in any temple... in that case, Ravi should have conducted the feeding ceremony elsewhere other than in a temple... right?
RE:Shame on the priests
by biz Narayan on Jun 05, 2007 10:29 AM Permalink
Anand Iyer is planning to be a false prophet, where he would lead his desciples to worship god in sex and chicken tikka masala... god said he is present everywhere.
RE:Shame on the priests
by Anand Iyer on Jun 05, 2007 10:37 AM Permalink
If u say that the law of hinduism is that trashbook Manu Smriti written by that fake called Manu, I pity u. Is manu a greater authority than Lord Krishna himself?
Reveal your true identity? You are an idiot. Manu Smriti was not written by God
Is there any instance where a non Muslim or a Non Christian allowed to enter the Mekka/Madina or Vatican? If that is right, then this is also right. If you allow Non Hindus to enter into our temples then the sanctity of our worship will be lost. Then they will claim a piece of our temple. For that also these studid anand Iyers will support.
RE:Shame on the priests
by biz Narayan on Jun 05, 2007 10:41 AM Permalink
But for manusmriti, the rationalists would have made you convinced that the laws, the words etc have higher authority. Don't be an escapist. Understand western attacks well.
Vylar Ravi " IF YOU ARE NO DIFFERENT THAN A BRAHMIN PLEASE TRY REMOVING RESERVATION IN YOUR STATE. WE WILL SEE WETHER YOU WILL LOOKED AFTER OR KICKED AFTER"
RE:'It is Brahminical arrogance'
by Inadvertently Human on Jun 05, 2007 10:18 AM Permalink
It is like dogs barking at sun. Let them shout, yell and calm down. ALl they do is bark.
RE:'It is Brahminical arrogance'
by Sivakumar Balasubramanian on Jun 05, 2007 10:25 AM Permalink
I agree Anantha. Vyalar Ravi's view point as 'Brahminical Arrogance' is highly condemnable. All the politicians are targetting Brahmins for their political mileages. Poor Brahmins, their average economic status is below that of SC/ST counterparts. Hell to reservation and anti-brahminical rhetoric. Even I belong SC community. But I dont agree to anti-brahminical rituals. Those who wanted to show off their power, barks in public like this. Time will answer....
RE:'It is Brahminical arrogance'
by anantha krishna on Jun 05, 2007 10:44 AM Permalink
Thanks Sivakumar, well understood and i do not even say whether you are SC or ST, muslim, christian but i can say is that you are a good Indian and an human being and a good comrade. we hope that ours and future generations do not listen to such pep talks just fulfill their personal desires.
Dear rediff readers ravi has been hurt and probably over reacted in his interview. He spoke of OBC, backward class and untouchables which was not warranted here. My concern is very simple, can only a hindu visit a temple? I think it is against the very principle of Hinduism to think temples are only for hindus. We are all human beings and anyone can visit any place of worship be it temple, mosque, church, gurudwar or budhist temple. Even any other religion conducts prayers or rituals because people of other faith have entered their premises then i would condemn the same with equal vigour. No priest or any trust can control a place of worship whatever religion it may be. I would say the same if it was a bishop or an Imam. Supreme court should intervene and make all places of worship free from the clutches of trusts who think God belongs only to them. God is universal and equal to everyone without caste,creed,sect, language or religion. If people think rules can be created by any temple authority then they are castist or in other words racist. Please do not rake up reservation issues here and discuss only about the topic. Please refrain from hurting anyone when you post messages here and behave like a socially responsible citizen. I see so many messages here full of hatred for each other. Its a very sad sight to see educated people fighting on the forum (pple who use the internet and read articles have to be reasonably educated)
RE:Stick to the topic of discussion here
by biz Narayan on Jun 05, 2007 10:19 AM Permalink
Why do you need to go to a temple or church to worship ? extending your logic, isn;t god everywhere ? So, can;t you worship over your bear glass ? Did god vanish when you were drinking bear and eating chicken ? The anti-hindus would ask that question next, and you wouldn;t have an answer.
RE:Stick to the topic of discussion here
by Inadvertently Human on Jun 05, 2007 10:14 AM Permalink
I dont agree with you. Non-Hindus and non-believers of Sanathan Dharma have no business in holy Temples.
These "foreign" religions eat cow, buffalo and pig. Lord Krishna is a cow-herd. In Goloka Vrindavan he rears Cows. So you want an cow-slaughtering idiot entering holh Temple premises?
THese people should be arrested and dragged out. We need a sign "Dogs and non-Hindus are not welcome".
RE:Stick to the topic of discussion here
by Natesh on Jun 05, 2007 10:27 AM Permalink
Your message speaks words which will not be accpeted by lord krishna brother. How can God create different religions and religions into different castes? How does a cow slauthering different from Lamb slaughering or Hen slaughtering or even fishing. If eating beaf is a sin then eating any non-veg is a sin. (i am a vegetarian by choice and not by religion). There is no such thing as hindusim brother it is a way of life praticed by our forefathers. When communited were first created they were done to differentiate the different trades. A brahmin's son does not become a brahman and can choose any profession. Slowly everything changed and people followed castes from their parents. Before pple who took part in wars were kshaktriyas and farming vyases. In today's computer age talking about castes or religious hatred will turn us back to midieval age. Respect and love everyone as equal
RE:Stick to the topic of discussion here
by biz Narayan on Jun 05, 2007 10:31 AM Permalink
How is that word 'equal' different than all other words for marxist sepoys and masters ? They focus on that word to open yet another division, for example Sheela Bhat and her BF/Hus are unequal. Simillarly we worship cows.
