Really Mr.TATA is having guts to teach a lesson to politician.I doubt in future no industrialist will come forward to start any industry in Bengal. Who will be the sufferer, public not the politicians.Hence i request all Bengalease to think & act.If not in Bengal, may i request Mr.TATA to shift the prestigious NANO to Tamilnadu where the situation & the politicians are better better than other states.
RE:Bengal (Mamtajee) Thanks for helping other states
by tejas gandhi on Aug 26, 2008 05:59 PM Permalink
Tamilians are the most hatred people in India for their dirty favourism and partiality towards fellow Tamilians....You please are curse on earth.
Giving Land to Tata's is good but Farmers have to be compensated accordingly.
Govt should ban Giving away fertile land for companies. There are vast stretches of barren or less cultivable land available. Why not use those. This way we will have double benefit ..
For all those who are screaming hoarse their lungs out in this blog in support of Ratan Tata, please answer me honestly, if you want.
In Bombay you got two whacking stadia Brabourne & Wankhede in the prime business district where only a couple of cricket matches are played in a year.
Govt asked the land be sold to any one and build multi storeyed office space there. The ongoing office space rates are already one of the highest in the world there i.e Nariman Point.
The owners of the stadia i.e Private Clubs refused to sell that land stating that it is their private property and they can do whatever they like with it. Selling it to build multi storeyed offic space for the good of the nation didnt bother them. Every educated person supported them stating that it is their property and they can do what they like and the GOvt has no say in it.
FINE!
Now, in Singur, the land is alluvial soil i.e. the richest arable soil irrigated by the gangetic tributaries over millenia. The farmers are tilling that land for centuries and are makiing a living out of it.
What moral right has anyone to force them to sell their lands to the Tatas?
If you are rich you get away by builing whacking stadia in the prime business district of the nation.
If you are poor you are forced to sell your best farming land to some one else and you have no say in it?
Are all those educated lot who are screaming hoarse here believe in equality and common rights? Or are they regurgitating?
RE:RATAN TATA IS WRONG!
by SHUJAT MIRZA on Aug 26, 2008 06:06 PM Permalink
Dear Mr Kabeer, Thanks for admiring the quality of land in question. I wonder why the people who have toiled on such a land for centuries are poor? They should have been super rich people. The owners of those stadia are doing favor to the nation, the future generation and the environment by not allowing multistoried office structure to be built in already conjested Mumbai. Instead if you flatten a few high rise buildings to make open play groung will be more apt. Buying Mamta? C'mon there are fewer shorsighted, power hungry, oppurtunist, rhetorical and useless politicians available on the Indian political panorama than didi. I am 100% sure that the farmers who will loose the land to nano will be most fortunate in the long run and neighbourhood farmers will be geelous of them. Only thing is people have to be patient. If the land of West Bengal is so fertile, bengal should be able to export quality grains to the world but only Punjab does so? Farmers of Bengal is very poor compared to those of Punjab and Rajsthan? Grow up and understand that you need investment and managment and back up by Industry to help even farming. It was probably naive and highly optimistic on part of Tata to choose Bengal. Many states will be happy to host him. India had lost L N Mittal to 70s beuracracy. Bengal is losing Tata to Mamta. I am ready yo sell million Mamta to one Tata or Ambani.
RE:RATAN TATA IS WRONG!
by Umesh Sharma on Aug 26, 2008 05:55 PM Permalink
well, mr kabeer, yr comparison is totaly wrong, firstly as far as brabourne stadium is concerned it does belong to the cci and it is used for local tournaments including ranji trophy, as it is there is shortage of place for sports in mumbai. now take singur, firstly there is division of land , it may be fertile but returns today compared to the inputs like fertilisers etc are very less, it is a virtual hand to mouth existence. if you will see as in case of jawaharlal nehru port project, all the land was acquired and the locals along with compensation were also gvn jobs in the port and other ancillary and supporting companies like the cfs and shipping lines offices. it is a good deal, so what is wrong in singur, with tatas also are other industries that will gv employment to the sons of farmers, income would be more than that from the fields. as it happens they hv accepted the money, now people like mamta are raking this issue for personal gain. it will be a huge loss for bengal if this doesnot materialise. it will become an outcast for investments
RE:RATAN TATA IS WRONG!
by Kabeer on Aug 26, 2008 06:07 PM Permalink
Dear Mr.Sharma!
1. Do they players stay around Brabourne & Wankhede? No! It is all prime business district. Players come from suburbs. When the Govt offered land in suburbs like New Bombay for building stadia to where the players can go and practise - it is equidistant- the club refused. Even the club was offered handsome money; purely legitimate ofcourse!
2. It is a matter of right! How can you deprive a poor farmer his right to sell his land and do not touch the rich of their rights on a similar issue?
3. Given the rates at which real estate is sold at Nariman point, the land of Wankhede & Brabourne results in thousands of crores when high rise office space is built.
4. We often regurgitate what the media keep telling us; and that media is funded by businessmen; Indian and Foreign.
I visited Kolkotta, Mirik and Darjeeling in May. People are very good.They showed directions.One thing it pained me is regarding demonstrations and chakka jam in Hilly areas of WB by Gorkhas. Of course those people were also good. Gorkhaland means a seperate state today but it will be kashmir tomo. So bengalis must protect their hilly areas. Things are very cheap in kolkotta. Winter wear is very cheap in Darjeeling. I enjoyed my trip in WB. Regarding Tatas i think it should be sorted out amicably by all parties.
Hi, The situation in Bengal over Industrialization issues and progress of a state from Financial perspective is gloomy. This situation came into effect because several mistakes done in past and continued to do so in present. Communist's idealism is good but not practical in todays Global world. But if we remove Commies also we do not have any other strong party who can help our state to show right direction. But do not think this is the attitude of the major Bengalis. The common middle class and educated lot does not think in that way and they are always in favour of Industrialisation. But unfortunately the dirty politicians are ruling the sentiment of the state bearing wrong message to rest of the people. All I fear is may be we are going to be Second Bihar where politicians spoiled the state.
RE:Very Sad Story for Bengalis.....
by vspi on Aug 26, 2008 05:46 PM Permalink
What you sow, so shall you reap- the whole world moved on, including the birth place of communism (USSR & PR China) but the people of WB & Kerala kept voting in absolute majority these stupid commies, who's single point agenda was to hold on to power at any cost; and how! But these commies are 2 faced as is evident by their pulling out of UPA on a flimsy excuse of not wanting to support the "western imperialist powers"
RE:Very Sad Story for Bengalis.....
by Ananda Raj on Aug 26, 2008 06:27 PM Permalink
West Bengal was number one industrialised state in India.Status changed because of communists and they have not helped the state. Real capitalists helped the state but this communist- capitalists have worsened the state to suffer and extending to Tamilnadu also. This issue should not be considered as war between Tata and Mammta. It is political struggle between communists and Mammta. It is blunder of Tatas to trust the communists. Moral is don't trust communists on any issue. It is applicable to Karunanithi, Chandrababu Naidu, Mayawathi, Jayalalitha also.With the help of DMK, communist leaders like Ramamoorthy, KalyanaSundaram, they strengthened parties and they ditched him and stabbed him back by promoting MGR in the past. Now they repeat the same to stab back of Karunanithi by promoting Vijayakant.Communists gets more seats by aligning with others except WB. These power brokers are worser than terrorists or naxalites. WB and industries must be aware.
Ratan Tata ji is no doubt one of the greatest son of India. Inspite of all beuracracy and bullshit politics, he has established his name as a truthfull person
On business: Business, as I have seen it, places one great demand on you: it needs you to self-impose a framework of ethics, values, fairness and objectivity on yourself at all times. It is easy not to do this; you cannot impose it on yourself forcibly because it has to become an integral part of you.
Sadly, when every single youngster is taught this definition: Economics is the study of .... __without considering ethics or morals__ .....
you can clearly expect what majority of the youngsters growing up will become.
We're telling our coming generations to make money, conquer the world, do big things, __keeping ethics aside__ Do you now understand why India is so bitterly fragmented, corrupt and incapable of large _integral_ organisations? This is not what US/UK/European kids are taught. This is what _we_ are taught because we don't upgrade our syllabus because education is big-business.
Ethics, values, fairness? Is that Greek or is that Latin?
A straight guy is always laughed out of class in colleges. We pride ourselves on our ability to fool others. We pride ourselves on cheating others. We should also pride ourselves on creating a perfectly chaotic society. Why not? Only people with eyesight _yet blind_ will find these two things unrelated.
We sow opium and expect roses to bloom. That does not happen in Nature.
We have great amounts of concrete and steel aruond us, but _we_ are _Natural_ - organic, delicate and vulnerable.
RE:very well said
by DV Nayak on Aug 26, 2008 05:48 PM Permalink
Typically, our deficiencies in being organic vulnerable and delicate are clearly exposed in violence and bomb blasts and war. So, global warming and petrol crises are causing huge problems. We need cheap food - organic We need shelter - organic We need peace of mind - vulnerable
Yet how many have pressed for a fuel efficient bike or car? How many use public transport? How many share taxis? How many pay tax? OK, forget tax, govt is corrupt, how many donate to real NGOs working silently in rural India? How many have even visited rural India once a year? Only in September do your great Stock markets, economists, FICCI, etc etc use the words - good monsoons, agro-powered growth, good rains, healthy economy? How many of you feed animals? How many feed _on_ animals? How many plant and grow trees? How many surf the internet about medicinal plants? If you dont even know that India has 100s of medicinal plants that are used to supply ingredients to Pharma MNCs to make your daily pills, what should be said of you as a populace? India's public is as foolish as India's leaders, like Churchill said. Even India's "intellectuals", as can be amply seen here. Please learn to _question_ things. Gandhiji was from Gujarat. He had good rational reasons for whatever he did - see LTTE/SriLanka. In explaining his actions rationally, you will discover many shocking truths including 1857.
Wonder what CPI and CPM have been doing in all other states where they are in opposition. They tried to stall projects under one pretext or the other. Now they are being paid in their own coin. This should be a lesson to everyone to keep off politics from industrialisation. only then can our industries prosper and benefit the country. Ofcourse checks and balances should be there to see the industrialists also do not exploit the poor.
Everybosy like us who surf the internet, write blogs and do many other things, are only thinking about the making of Nano from W Bengal, there are issues like very fertile land with all irrigation facility going to become factories where there is land which are not so fertile with all required infrastucture which is not being used for this project - take from me I have visted this place Singur - this place grows the best breed of Vegetable that you can find in W.Bengal - there are lives of poor farmers who have being happy cultivating in there peaces of land. Why take their land away, if this was your land and not just land it fetches them bread and butter. The industrialist or the Government cannot add a pin point land to the nation where there is food crisis and certain number of people under the poverty line, so why take away such value added soil for a car factory which could have been happened in some other part of the state. Just think about those poor people who know just farming and happily doing that, why go after them, and can you imagine what these industrialist are up to they want 900 acres of land for manufacturing the smallest/cheapest car ever. Dont you think this is mis use of pure life giving soil.
RE:There are pros and cons here
by akhil kapoor on Aug 26, 2008 05:34 PM Permalink
Mr ray most of the land in India is fertile...In that case where will the industries go......with time even fertile land will have to be used as industrial site
RE:There are pros and cons here
by Debasish on Aug 26, 2008 05:41 PM Permalink
u r not right. Just 2 hours away from the place 'Singur'. Lots of lands are present wich doesn't yield any crop. It's the mistake of West Bengal Govt to show Mr Tata a highly fertile land of Singur for constructing car factory.
RE:There are pros and cons here
by Kabeer on Aug 26, 2008 05:54 PM Permalink
For all those who are screaming hoarse their lungs out in this blog in support of Ratan Tata, please answer me honestly, if you want.
In Bombay you got two whacking stadia Brabourne & Wankhede in the prime business district where only a couple of cricket matches are played in a year.
Govt asked the land be sold to any one and build multi storeyed office space there. The ongoing office space rates are already one of the highest in the world there i.e Nariman Point.
The owners of the stadia i.e Private Clubs refused to sell that land stating that it is their private property and they can do whatever they like with it. Selling it to build multi storeyed offic space for the good of the nation didnt bother them. Every educated person supported them stating that it is their property and they can do what they like and the GOvt has no say in it.
FINE!
Now, in Singur, the land is alluvial soil i.e. the richest arable soil irrigated by the gangetic tributaries over millenia. The farmers are tilling that land for centuries and are makiing a living out of it.
What moral right has anyone to force them to sell their lands to the Tatas?
If you are rich you get away by builing whacking stadia in the prime business district of the nation.
If you are poor you are forced to sell your best farming land to some one else and you have no say in it?
Are all those educated lot who are screaming hoarse here believe in equality and common rights? Or are they regurgit
RE:There are pros and cons here
by Amit B Saraswat on Aug 26, 2008 05:36 PM Permalink
The fault lies with the government. The WB Govt alloted this land to TATA. They could have moved some 50-100 odd kms ahead and alloted the land there. I am sure Tata would not have objected for that. When Tata started their Jamshedpur Unit it was in Jungle. Same with Walchandnagar. Why should the country suffer due to the folly of the Communists?
RE:There are pros and cons here
by vspi on Aug 26, 2008 05:50 PM Permalink
According to Mr. Sachdeva (President of INTUC) the farmers of WB use thier land only 70 days in a year- rest they do not have water, elecricty etc. do so. So much for 3 decades of commies serving the poor!!!
Ratan TATA made the biggest mistake of his life by teaming up with the communists. Sometimes wonder how a person like him fell prey to anti-national communists. HE should learn from this mistake and side with democratic and national forces and not allow his ego and stature come in between. Time to wind up singur project Mr. TATA
RE:Ratan TATA made the biggest mistake
by rajiv dutt on Aug 26, 2008 05:40 PM Permalink
investing in bengal does not mean teaming up with "communists". the very basis of ur statement is wrong.
RE:Ratan TATA made the biggest mistake
by Diyus Rahul on Aug 26, 2008 05:44 PM Permalink
communists have been ruling bengal for 30 years now and still all set for another 10 yrs atleast. so clearly at this point going to ebngal is clearly teaming with the anti-national forces(read communists). Please note I am not Anti-Bengali, infact I have had my best GF's as bengalis. Its just they keep on re-eleting the commies again and again.
