I am really pained at the plight of common Bengalis because of politically professional Bengalis.
I pity ,y fellow common men and women for not being able to see and enjoy the fruits of industrialization that we enjoy in the rest of the country.
I pity them because of their inability to make a decision on their collective welfare without intervention by politicians. It could also be that a good half of them have really begun to think like the communist politicians, include Mamta or exclude, but the fact remain the same.
I pity the Bengalis. I pity them because two desperate souls are on the verge of a definite failure to reverse this trend.
I really pity them again because Bengalis have been bereaved of another 100 years of their future. They are being pushed into another age of sufferings, labor/peasant militancy and darkness.
Finally I pity the common Bengalis because they are forced to have faith in this dark and suffering lives.
RE:RE:I pity the Bengalis
by Ray on B on Aug 26, 2008 07:55 PM Permalink
I understand you guys are frustrated along with Ratan Tata about the Rolling out of Nano! that makes you sort of Abuse Bengalis - know this Bengalis are more happier lots whether there is industry or there is'nt any - Industrialization is not what have been preached in any Religious script. So guys take it easy and I am sure there are better cars than Nano available in the market - well if you can afford buying them. Otherwise just wait and watch I am sure sure you will be able to buy a Nano which will off course roll out of Bengal. Cio
RE:I pity the Bengalis
by slayer slayer on Aug 26, 2008 06:29 PM Permalink
@gopal .. u dont hav to pity 'bengalis' or pity anyone for that matter cuz veryone is pretty capable enuf to look after themselves , noone is in the need of your empathy and empathy without any solution or action doesnt need attention ...so much for your pity mister rajagopal..... noone 'enjoys' fruits of industrilization , its a necessity n ur apparent oversimplification of this issue proves how dam naive, fruitless,inexperienced ur regardless of ur age or other whereabouts.. u dont realize the core of the problems dont go on to pity or blame the side effects ..be the happy software engineer ur
RE:I pity the Bengalis
by Ray on B on Aug 26, 2008 07:53 PM Permalink
I understand you guys are frustrated along with Ratan Tata about the Rolling out of Nano! that makes you sort of Abuse Bengalis - know this Bengalis are more happier lots whether there is industry or there is'nt any - Industrialization is not what have been preached in any Religious script. So guys take it easy and I am sure there are better cars than Nano available in the market - well if you can afford buying them. Otherwise just wait and watch I am sure sure you will be able to buy a Nano which will off course roll out of Bengal. Cio
RE:I pity the Bengalis
by anita amberdar on Aug 26, 2008 06:28 PM Permalink
Mamta virus is clone of Deve Gauda virus of Karnataka; who too was determined to Karnataka to adivasi age, but election settled the matter so it will be in Bengal
RE:I pity the Bengalis
by Subhankar Chatterjee on Aug 26, 2008 06:27 PM Permalink
Dear, Thanks for such a mind bogling analysis. I generally travel betwn Mumbai and Kolkata and to be very honest their is nothing interesting for me in Mumbai. By wearing jeans and eating junk foods and by messing in night u think u have made a point to the world. I say u r the unhappiest person in the earth. U have better roads poor traffic. U work for 18 hours but can not see the faces of ur dearer frequently, u go to pub form relationship and then boose when the relationship breaks. U r the frustrated lot in the earth and a farmer in Singur lead a much happier life than u so u please don't try to act empathy on their behalf.
RE:I pity the Bengalis
by kieran frank dsouza on Aug 26, 2008 09:34 PM Permalink
Mr. Chatterjee, the problem with most Indians is that they only think and act for themselves. Support for TATA revolves on how they can get some jobs and then their lives rotates on that job, marriage etc.
If you explain that the farmer is also supporting himself with that field and also feeding us and that taking away the field is taking away his livelihood and future generations that will not enter any one's head and you will only get abused.
RE:I pity the Bengalis
by Simron Shah on Aug 26, 2008 06:40 PM Permalink
What an idiot! From which hell part of the Bomaby he came. I thing he is most frustrated Bengali in Bombay. Dear Bomaby gives you what you are really deserve. Dont get frustrated. I am lived few years in Ur Kolkatta, I dont want to tell how the place is.
RE:I pity the Bengalis
by slayer slayer on Aug 26, 2008 07:18 PM Permalink
hey M R feel sorry for urself ....only ordinary people can do extraordinary acts..not crybabies lik u...feel sorry for urself...noone is talkin solution ...all jus small talking big shots ...dum hai to solution do bakchodi bakwaas bandh karo
RE:Ratan Tata's words of inspiration
by biswajit on Aug 26, 2008 06:24 PM Permalink
I 100% agree wid ur points. but mind it Mamta is not a spk-man of Bengal. she has only one (self) MP seat n 29 MLA ( Maximum Muslims). so u should know what is d position of in Bengal.
I went through the whole content. Only a great man can do this thing (view on every aspect). This is the reason why Ratan Tata is living legend. He has expressed his ideas on every issue asked to him.
Great Answer (opinion) by a Great personality.
Thanks to Rediff for providing good things. After "Dhirubhaism" this is really an excellent presentation.
RE:Thaks to Mamta Benerjee to give d chance
by biswajit on Aug 26, 2008 06:29 PM Permalink
ur lang r saying dat what kind of fmly u r belonging. I think so cheap u r comming frm.
Unfortunately in our country few political parties and leaders ruin the entire state on the basis of their whimisical and insane decisions. This is what Mamta banerjee is trying to acheive in Singur. The state which was on the top of industrilization after independence, ruined completely by millitant trad unionism and bad politics of CPM rule over the years. I see lot of hope under Budhho babu but his industrilization policy totaly hijacked by Mamta. Its really time for a peaceful talk between two parties to resolove this impass otherwise this will hit very badly on the image of WB.
Industrialisation is all about maximizing wealth, it is not grabing fertile land and turning them into industries, food is more important than cars, we all know that. Do you know how the price graph of food have gone up in recent time, so what is the use of industry if all wealth we accumulate after industrilization goes out to buy food and dont be selfish also think about those people(they are the majority) who are out of this industrial revolution - they are surely going to perish. To industrialise a state you need Infrastructure, proper planning and policies which are finaly pro common people. If the government can achieve this there will be no Singur or Nandigram or Orissa - Posco etc etc.
RE:Industrialisation
by jogi ramdas on Aug 26, 2008 06:35 PM Permalink
How much food you think ,will be harvested from this land?How many families will get direct and indirect benefits from factory .Please be practical ,use brain ,not heart .
RE:Industrialisation
by jogi ramdas on Aug 26, 2008 06:36 PM Permalink
How much food you think ,will be harvested from this land?How many families will get direct and indirect benefits from factory .Please be practical ,use brain ,not heart .
IF MAMTA IS SO MUCH HELPFULL, WHY DONT SHE STOP PUBLIC, COMMUTERS TO STOP COMING TO WORK IN COPMAINES WHICH R DIRRECTLY OR INDRIECTLY RELATED WITH INDUSTRIES / TASES & STATE REVENUE. ALL GRAM PEOPLE SHOULD BE DOING CULTIVATION.....
For all those who are screaming hoarse their lungs out in this blog in support of Ratan Tata, please answer me honestly, if you want.
In Bombay you got two whacking stadia Brabourne & Wankhede in the prime business district where only a couple of cricket matches are played in a year.
Govt asked the land be sold to any one and build multi storeyed office space there. The ongoing office space rates are already one of the highest in the world there i.e Nariman Point.
The owners of the stadia i.e Private Clubs refused to sell that land stating that it is their private property and they can do whatever they like with it. Selling it to build multi storeyed offic space for the good of the nation didnt bother them. Every educated person supported them stating that it is their property and they can do what they like and the GOvt has no say in it.
FINE!
Now, in Singur, the land is alluvial soil i.e. the richest arable soil irrigated by the gangetic tributaries over millenia. The farmers are tilling that land for centuries and are makiing a living out of it.
What moral right has anyone to force them to sell their lands to the Tatas?
If you are rich you get away by builing whacking stadia in the prime business district of the nation.
If you are poor you are forced to sell your best farming land to some one else and you have no say in it?
Are all those educated lot who are screaming hoarse here believe in equality and common rights? Or are they regurgit
RE:RE:I, ME, MYSELF!
by Rajiv kumar on Aug 26, 2008 05:57 PM Permalink
IT IS BETTER IF YOU TAKE CARE OF MUMBAI ITSELF, & DONT WORRY ABPUT TATA & BENGAL, AS U ARE NOT AWARE ABOUT THE FEELING ON THIS SOIL.
ARE U READY TO BE JOBLESS & TO CUTILVATE FARM .. ? ? ?
RE:I, ME, MYSELF!
by phiroze meherji on Aug 26, 2008 06:32 PM Permalink
I have one question to ask of mr kabeer, when u say that the singur land is alluvial soil and the best soil for agricultural purposes, can he tell us that whether the farmers of singur who toiled in the fields, and cultivated the land did they get the price that was rightfully theirs or did middleman, and others rob them of their rightful earnings, giving them very little in return.I gather that the Tatas have employed the people of singur wherever possible.
I hope better sense prevails, because Mr Ratan Tata is an Indian first and a Mumbaikar second, the CM of Maharashrtra has given him an open invite to bring Nano back, and he might just do that, also this issue is giving a bad vibe for foreign investors to invest in West Bengal.
The need of the hour is all educated people of Bengal should get together and make Ms Mamta realise her folly at the earliest
RE:RE:I, ME, MYSELF!
by Kabeer on Aug 26, 2008 06:39 PM Permalink
Dear Mr.Phiroze Meherji,
It is a matter of denial of a natural right on ownership of property than anything else. At what price the farmer wants to sell is his prerogative; i.e let the free market forces operate. But we dont permit that. The Govt forces the farmers to sell their land at a predetermined price. Who is the Govt to decide on the price and the sale when the same doesnt have the nerve to force rich clubs on a similar matter?
Regarding conversion of stadia land into office space, factors like power and water anyway have to be provided when the same of build near Bandra Kurla Complex.
It is matter of exercising ones right more than anything else.
JJ Hospital flyover disturbs all residents around in Bombay; but it was built as the sufferers are poor people.
Peddar Road flyover can never come up because it wil disturb rich people like Lata Mangeshkar!
Clearly in this county we have two sets of laws; one for the poor and one for the rich.
RE:I, ME, MYSELF!
by kieran dsouza on Aug 26, 2008 09:50 PM Permalink
Actually Mr. Kabeer, this is a dangerous trend by giving some cheap incentives to farmers to give up their lands for dubious deals and so called industrialization (how important is NANO?) People are blind to the fact that we are bartering away our food security. Already food prices are going up. Farmers are poor in economics. Cash that looks lot to them will evaporate in one generation then future generations will be condemned to destitution.
Selfish Indians can only think of jobs and life rotating around those jobs but never see the big picture. A population of billion plus should give agriculture and food security highest importance then think about NANO etc
RE:I, ME, MYSELF!
by ravi bulusu on Aug 26, 2008 06:25 PM Permalink
dear kabeer, All affected farmers are subsistence cultivators, i.e.till their land for their usage& livelihood, a few hundred people. They can never become rich by tilling. The farmers also know this.CPM leaders know this., and agreed for transfer of this land for Industry. Do not compare stadia in Mumbai, as it is better to leave them as they are, instead of multi storeyed bldg complexes, which need power & water resources, million times more than just two stadia. B.RAVI CHANDRA
RE:RE:I, ME, MYSELF!
by arun on Aug 26, 2008 06:32 PM Permalink
And they should leave their land and livelihood for someone else to get rich.What is the balance in this deal??....Since they are uninfluential--financially or politically---anything can be done to this farmers in the name of development....Let us make our priorities clear.First no corporate house or private firm has the right to seize the land and doing that thru the government is against the spirit of the ethos of this democratic country.First let us protect our farmers then we can think of making the smallest car.
RE:I, ME, MYSELF!
by Kabeer on Aug 26, 2008 06:37 PM Permalink
Dear Mr. Bulusu Ravi Chandra,
It is a matter of denial of a natural right on ownership of property. At what price the farmer wants to sell is his prerogative; i.e let the free market forces operate. But we dont permit that. The Govt forces the farmers to sell their land at a predetermined price. Who is the Govt to decide on the price and the sale when the same doesnt have the nerve to force rich clubs on a similar matter?
Regarding conversion of stadia land into office space, factors like power and water anyway have to be provided when the same of build near Bandra Kurla Complex.
It is matter of exercising ones right more than anything else.
JJ Hospital flyover disturbs all residents around in Bombay; but it was built as the sufferers are poor people.
Peddar Road flyover can never come up because it wil disturb rich people like Lata Mangeshkar!
Clearly in this county we have two sets of laws; one for the poor and one for the rich.
RE:I, ME, MYSELF!
by swamy on Aug 26, 2008 06:06 PM Permalink
You belong to a pathetic class of people called "NGO" activist who oppose every damn development, if u were in China you would be behind bars.
Anyway to answer your question, the farmers did not seem to object the land sale 2 years ago when Tata offered them twice the going rates. Now some of the farmers realize they can get a better deal by doing agitations and of course Mamata Banerjee is power hungry. You will see them coming to Tata's terms once he threatens to pull out, if that happens, the land rates fall and they are back to square one. Talking of arable land, it is a well known fact that Indian agriculture has underemployment, more people working on a small piece of land, it would be great if rural youth can be employed in the industry so that their true potential is reached. Tatas train their workforce well and also take care of them, example is Tatanagar. It's a political and blackmail game being played out
RE:I, ME, MYSELF!
by arun on Aug 26, 2008 06:25 PM Permalink
With all the respect to Tatas I support what Kabeer has said.The govt try to bully the farmers and forced to take the land.Mamata was the saviour of the people who have no influence over the things happening around them.On a day the corporate house is simply trying to grab the people of their livelihood by accusation without adequate rehabilitation.And these corporate houses will sing about liberalising the economy when one has not even freedom to continue with his livelihood..Dont tell craps like we should abandon agriculture because agriculture will not give you money as industries...Being said this I respect Tatas for their billion other deeds and vision and ethics unlike the money hungry reliance
RE:I, ME, MYSELF!
by Kabeer on Aug 26, 2008 06:17 PM Permalink
Dear Swamy,
It is a matter of right about what one wants to do with his or her own property.
Since you labelled me PATHETIC NGO CLASS, where did your class lost its guts to tell the clubs to sell the barren land (there are no trees that can act as lungs as some ignorant people like to tell you) so that more office space can be built near Nariman Point area?
TATA WAS GIVING BLESSING TO WB. BUT MAMATA & CPM HAVE PUT THIS FEELING IN THE BLOOD OF BENGAL PEOPLE THAT, WE DONT NEED INDUSTRY FOR DEVELOPMENT. I AM WITH TATA & I WISH ALL INDUSTREIS SHOULD MOVE FROM BENGAL & ONLY BENGAL BANDH BANDH SHOULD BE HERE
Really Mr.TATA is having guts to teach a lesson to politician.I doubt in future no industrialist will come forward to start any industry in Bengal. Who will be the sufferer, public not the politicians.Hence i request all Bengalease to think & act.If not in Bengal, may i request Mr.TATA to shift the prestigious NANO to Tamilnadu where the situation & the politicians are better better than other states.
RE:Bengal (Mamtajee) Thanks for helping other states
by sanjeev dhiman on Aug 26, 2008 06:00 PM Permalink
tata knows what bengal can deliver.it has got umpteen nos of lessons in jamshedpur regarding bengali talent,professional acumen and engineering skills... you can shift hosiery industry from bengal to nadu but not for high tech industries like auto.and you can garner lots of nuclear powerplants in nadu through political pressures and blackmail... so for get about bengal and get worried about nadu.
RE:Bengal (Mamtajee) Thanks for helping other states
by geet on Aug 27, 2008 12:30 PM Permalink
Mr. Dhiman, Chennai is called the Detroit of Asia and the Automobile capital of India. Tamilnadu churns out the highest number of techies than any other state in India. All automobiles ranging from bicycles to war tanks, coaches, cars and ships are manufactured in Chennai. How can you say tech jobs are not suited for TN. Open your eyes to facts. Probably your Hyundai or Ford or BMW or Mitsubhishi must have been from Chennai. Check out.
RE:Bengal (Mamtajee) Thanks for helping other states
by M R on Aug 26, 2008 07:10 PM Permalink
Mamta and our dominant Newsgroup is REST OF INDIA's Santa Clause.
RE:Bengal (Mamtajee) Thanks for helping other states
by Diyus Rahul on Aug 26, 2008 05:59 PM Permalink
John, please dont joke, have you ever gone to Madhurai and seen the politics and goons there? Another fool tamilian
RE:RE:Bengal (Mamtajee) Thanks for helping other states
by geet on Aug 27, 2008 12:36 PM Permalink
Mr. Rahul, TN politicians are as corrupt as your own but never do they stand in the way of development. Be it Karunanidhi or Jayalalitha, development, education, health have never ceased in TN. Check out for the improvement of human development index in the state. It is far better than Bengal. When I travelled from Gauhati to Chennai, I could see the heavy immigration of Bengalies from Bengal to TN for jobs ranging from IT (Chennai), Hosieries (Tiruppur &Coimbatore) to labour. You are living in fool's paradise.
