It’s a shame! Just when the CPM after years of dogmatic politics was showing signs of pragmatism, Mamta happened. I hope the people of Bengal recognize the true nature of this issue and punish the politicians accordingly. The NRB ( non resident Bengalis ) like NRIs, do excellently in other parts of India. Just like with liberation, India has turned a new leaf, Today is Bengal’s Chance. We can not have a state, like Bengal, to turn cancerous. We need an economically strong Bengal, in India’s thrust with destiny…. Though I am not a Bengali, I sincerely hope that the Tata Nano project actualizes in WB and in Singur
RE:The people looses.........
by Srinivasan Ramiah on Aug 26, 2008 07:53 PM Permalink
Dont say the CPM has become Constructive. Only Buddadev is trying to change the BANDH culture. But the hard core LEFT is still the original Decadent lot which has spoiled Bengal for 50 Years. Dont expect people like Bardhan and Karat to do anything constructive Bengali Intellect plus marxism is a destructive Potion! The poison has to be gradually removed. Not in one shot!
RE:The people looses.........
by vikram chauhan on Aug 26, 2008 07:49 PM Permalink
Vinaash Kaal , Viprit Budhhi......Nobody can stop it from Vinaash...because all polticians r hands in gloves.
RE:The people looses.........
by saigeetha jagannathan on Aug 27, 2008 12:16 PM Permalink
This saying doesn't hold true today. Check the human development index for all the states. You will know the real picture of your 'intellectual' state.
The family of Tata's is a well known name not only in India, but also throughout the world. The warning to Ms Mamta Banerjee regarding the Nano plant in Singur, was given in what you call a very subtle but firm language, but the warning is very clear, and the ball has been placed in Ms Mamta's court. I hope better sense prevails, and the latter withdraws her agitation, if she really cares for the farmers. Ms Mamta should come down and sit on the table to discuss the problems she envisages the farmers are facing, and follow the path of our beloved Mahatma Gandhi, who started the non cooperation movement, did not use violence, but when the time came he sat and discussed with the British Government and gave India her Independance.
God Save Bengal If The Singur Plant Moves To Any Other State
RE:The Legendary Tata's
by ramoo on Aug 26, 2008 10:33 PM Permalink
PLEASE GO TATAS WE HAVE DONE QUITE WELL WITHJOUT THE TATAS FOR 100 YEARS AND WE DO NOT WANT TO GIVE ANY FREE LAND TO TATAS NOW. RATAN TATA WENT TO ALL STATES BEFORE HE CHOSE WEST BENGAL AND GOT THE MOST RIDICULOUSLY PROFITABLE DEAL WHEREIN EVEN IF THE TINBOX NANO FAILS WHICH IT WILL THEY WOULD HAVE 650 ACRES OF LAND AT RAJARHAT NEW TOWN
RE:The Legendary Tata's
by vikram chauhan on Aug 26, 2008 07:44 PM Permalink
she is hell bent upon deteriorising the atmosphere...Nano is not in her mind...she eyeing for Chief Minister's chair dear..Nano is just a Drama for her to create trouble.
One has to understand the context of the popular agitation against the land acquisition for the Tata Motors project. The issue here is whether the State Govt has adhered to the law of the land. Let us examine the facts :
1. The land acquisition was done under an archaic Land Acquisition Act of 1894. This Act allows land acquisition for only PUBLIC projects. Public projects refers to roads, dams railway lines etc.
2. Having not applied the provisions of the law correctly, the compensation for the "acquired" land fixed by the government is very low --- from what I have read Rs. 4-5 lakhs per acre. In contrast, for a PUBLIC project such as the Peripheral Ring Road surrounding Bangalore city, the state government on an average, will pay Rs. 85 lakhs per acre for land notifed to be acquired for the project !
3. The concessions which the WB Govt. has given to Tata Motors may not stand scrutiny in a court of law, as it has not been extended to other companies, as per any Industrial Policy formulated by the WB Govt. Tata Motors have been given free land, free power for 10 years, free water (no charges) and significant tax concessions.
4. As is evident, in a democracy where the rule of law prevails, the government of the day CANNOT "acquire" land illegally (as the Act allows acquisition of land only for PUBLIC projects) and hand it over to a privately owned company, as the financial impact of the government decisions (subsidies - land, power, water charges) will benefit th
RE:Mamata is right !!
by Shujat Mirza on Aug 26, 2008 10:30 PM Permalink
Dear Mr. Deb, It is good that you like to talk in right perspective. Now that this issue has acquired national status and heavy weight agitators have got involve into it, any such legal nitty gritty cannot be expected to continue. Except our judiciary system is also in connivance with Tatas! If High court rejects the apeal one can approoach spreme court. I safely assume that legally there is presently no hitch. Just like left parties cried hoarse against congress and central government against nuclear deal calling it anti national, Ms. Mamata Banerjee has paid back to the CPM in the same coin. Left parties raised object to nuclear deal ONLY because deal was with US without caring for a split second the enormous goods the deal has for India. Exactly similarly Ms. Mamata, as always, has hijacked the Singur issue only to try topple the left cart, without, charaesterically, thinking about the massive face lift this one project had the potential to give to Bengal. The land loosers of Nandigram will repent there simplicity today if Tata's seriously bid farewell to the project and if the project (miraculously) comes about, will tell there tales of good fortune to their next generation. Rise up against party affilliations and try to talk sence only and always. Not only Bengal, it is important for the entire country. Jai Hind.
RE:RE:Mamata is right !!
by ramoo on Aug 26, 2008 10:41 PM Permalink
SUPREME COURT APPEAL IS PENDING AND TATAS WILL LOSE AND SO WILL WEST BENGAL GOVERNMENT- UNLESS OFCOURSE THE COURT TAKES A LENIENT VIEW SINCE 85% WORK HAS BEEN DONE.
RE:Mamata is right !!
by SHUJAT MIRZA on Aug 26, 2008 10:59 PM Permalink
Generally Supreme Court cannot take so much time in such critical issue. Still what is your objection? Is it only infavour of Ms. mamata? Is is against left government or is it against TATA' or any industrialist for that matter. Under all above cases your actions are wrong. Only if you think that putting up of Tata's nano plant at this particular location is NOT in the interest of public at large, you should oppose it. And if the case is subjudice we all should shut our mouth(I mean pen - I mean fingures) till the court gives a decision. Again if the case is pending in court what Ms. mamata is doing on streets! She doen't believe in Indian Justice system? Any way for me Nuclear Deal with India as well as tata's nano project both are in public interest and will benifit normal public and will be a face lift to India as well as Bengal. Jai Hind.
RE:Mamata is right !!
by NoManLand on Aug 26, 2008 07:50 PM Permalink
Might be what you are correct ? But this project bringing lot of Investment in W. Bengal. But removal of this project, will send wrong message to investor of W. Bengal.
RE:Mamata is right !!
by vikram chauhan on Aug 26, 2008 07:37 PM Permalink
I dont know what is the location of Singur as to what is current land cost per acre there......but in such a highly industialised state like Haryana , the land prices were 4-5 lacs per acre in villages ...it is only past 3 years that prices have gobe crazy otherwise 4-4 lakhs per acre is quite good amount.
RE:Mamata is right !!
by ramoo on Aug 26, 2008 10:38 PM Permalink
PETITON IS PENDING IN SUPREME COURT. AND THE HC IS NOT THE ULTMATE DECISION MAKING BODY- THE TATYAS WILL LOSE IN SUPREME COURT IF PROPER JUDGMENT IS GIVEN AS PER LEGAL PROVISIONS AND PREVIOUS CASE LAWS. THE LAND ACQUISITION IS TOTALLY ILLEGAL. THE MAHARASHTRA GOVT CANNOT GIVE ANY FERTILE LAND FOR ANY INDUSTRY AS PER LAW IN MAHARASNTRA SO HOW IS VILASRAO SAYING HE WELCOMES TATAS. TATAS WAN THE CAR PROJECT NEAR A METRO CITY SO THAT THEY CAN GET GOOD REAL ESTATE VALUE IF THE PROJECT FAILS WHICH IT WILL TINBOX MAKER TATA BEWARE. HAHAHAH
TATA should say Tata to singur , after so much humiltaion , so much bad publicity by petty politicians and media as well , it is beyond dignity of HOUSE OF TATA's to stay there even for a single second...leave aside Indian states ...whole world is standing to greet and accept TATA and can give as much as land TATA wants to buy.....SH.RATAN TATA is a lion , he is a man of highest repute and let it be prestige issue for RATAN TATA as well that he shud leave west Bengal now so that whole Bengali population remember the damage politicians did to WB by not allowing TATA to set up NANO plant....Let NANO be a flash point and let small car NANO leaves a big dent on west bengal and politicians those who are greedy for poor votes.......If Ratan Tata wants to become Prime Minister , I think whole Nation will vote for him (provided it is direct election).
RE:TATA
by ramoo on Aug 26, 2008 10:45 PM Permalink
TATA WILL STAY IN SINGUR COME WHAT MAY EVEN IF THEY HAVE TO LICK MAMATAS FEET AS THEY HAVE GOT HUGE FINACIAL BENEFITS WHICH IS NOTHING IN COMPARISON TO THE AMOUNT OF 1500 CROES THY SAY THEY HAVE SPENT.
It has become fashionable to blame Mamata banerjee for the present predicament, why blame her alone? She is the new incarnation Marxist! For the past 50 Years the original Communists have brought Bengal to a stage where only BANDHS flourished! Now you are expecting a Population who have spent the best part os [50 Years] of Life shouting Slogans and closing factories to be Productive and Creative!! Ratan Tata should be under no illusion [even if the Singur crisis is overco me] that he can make the World's cheapest Car on a sustained level using local [Bengali] Employees! Industrial climate is not built up overnight. When the first NANO was displayed I had written in this Column that Ratan Tata will certainly Productionise NANO, but NOT from Singhur, but from Rudrapur.
RE:Mamata & W.Bengal
by vikram chauhan on Aug 26, 2008 07:33 PM Permalink
yess u r right...industrial climate is built up in many stages n ages...actually whole lot of politcians is as such....We are trying to copy chinese module of industrialisation and in my opinion it is impossible here in INDIA. Actually we have become rusted population , SAB CHALTA HAI !! attitude we have .
RE:Mamata & W.Bengal
by krishnan on Aug 26, 2008 08:18 PM Permalink
yes. even if this crisis is resolved and the production starts , it will stop again as the communist "culture" does not permit any thing to be produced but only the destruction of what is available so that nobody gets anything rich or poor .
The House of Tatas has earned the respect the command over 100 of years. From the day Jamshedji Tata challenged the British to set up the first Indian Steel Plant. Sure Tatas make money. In business you have to make money. But, fair money. Tatas can’t be accused of unfair business practice. Neither can you accuse them of not contributing to the social sectors. Numerous education institutions, hospitals and research organization are proofs.
The WB government acquired land for the Tata Plant. The WB government is responsible to the people, of Singur for a fair deal. Only thing that Tatas for that matter any business establishment would look for before setting up manufacturing are Infrastructure, Law & order and availability of suitable labour.
If the WB government has been unfair to the Land owners of Singur, she should take it up with the WB government and get a fair price for the people. WB, once the leader has been turned into a third rate state, in social and economic indicators. If Tatas leave today, no one will even touch WB even with a barge pole, and WB will be in the wildness for decades to come.
The Thinking Bhadralook should step in to resolve this political opportunism for the sake of Bengal’s future. We must recognise that this issue as it stands now is not just an issue of 400 acres and fair pricing anymore, but the future of generations of Bengalis.
RE:RE:Appeal to the thinking Bhadrolook
by vinod gupta on Aug 26, 2008 07:24 PM Permalink
Bhdralok Budhujibi se kuch mat expect kar na. They are very opportunist and will never utter any word against CPM.
RE:Appeal to the thinking Bhadrolook
by Rajiv kumar on Aug 26, 2008 07:43 PM Permalink
MAMATA WAS travelling .... FROM KOL TO SINGUR, SHE HAS USED TATA TRUCK, SUMO, TATA BUSES, ONLY A NON BENGALi RESIDENT WILL SUPPORT MAMATA... anti bengali can support her who has no brains..
RE:Appeal to the thinking Bhadrolook
by letsgo on Aug 26, 2008 07:29 PM Permalink
No. I don't believe intellectuality means always going against the establishment. Rather to be rational in every aspect is intellect of human being.
RE:Appeal to the thinking Bhadrolook
by Netra Maithun on Aug 26, 2008 07:36 PM Permalink
It’s a shame! Just when the CPM after years of dogmatic politics was showing signs of pragmatism, Mamta happened. I hope the people of Bengal recognize the true nature of this issue and punish the politicians accordingly. The NRB ( non resident Bengalis ) like NRIs, do excellently in other parts of India. Just like with liberation, India has turned a new leaf, Today is Bengal’s Chance. We can not have a state, like Bengal, to turn cancerous. We need an economically strong Bengal, in India’s thrust with destiny…. Though I am not a Bengali, I sincerely hope that the Tata Nano project actualizes in WB and in Singur
RE:RE:Appeal to the thinking Bhadrolook
by slayer slayer on Aug 26, 2008 07:43 PM Permalink
tryst with destiny i should say...byw netra maithun is kool
RE:Appeal to the thinking Bhadrolook
by letsgo on Aug 26, 2008 07:22 PM Permalink
Admitted. But the price of the land when it was acquired was 12lacs /acre in that area and Govt had offered the same. Now the " converted " land price is 50lacs/acre and increase is solely due to TATA's project. What can Govt do for this ? Barring some financial package, Govt can do very little for them, so far Law of the land is concerned.CM has said the same same thing to Mamta. But the headstrong lady has only one goal-to win election at any cost. So for her, we'll suffer. Here lies the tragedy.
RE:Appeal to the thinking Bhadrolook
by anita amberdar on Aug 26, 2008 07:30 PM Permalink
What you are saying if true- then it is a relevation. 12lkh/acre is a fair deal by any standard. This only shows the real villains are not CPM-Tata butthe greedy farmers and Mamta Baneerji who is sacrificing Bengals future for petty vote bank politics.
RE:Appeal to the thinking Bhadrolook
by Rajiv kumar on Aug 26, 2008 07:38 PM Permalink
THIS MAMATA / FARMERS CANNOT BE TAUGHT, I THINK WE CANNOT TEACH THEM, WELL . . WE ARE CONCERNED WHETHER IT IS MAMTA / CPM / ANY STUPID PARTY OR NOT... BUT WE NEED BENGAL TO GROW ITS ECONOMY.. OR ELSE IF NOT THEM PLS.. CLOSE ALL THE WORK SHOPS & ONLY BANDH BANDO WILL BE HERE & WITH LUST GREEN FIELS ... SARSO KE KEHTA HI KETHAO... CHANE KE KHET SE BLOG BHEJNA,
What Mamata is doing CPM did the the same thing earlier. Buddha tried to rectify but people within CPM ( like Pakash Karat and company ) and Mamta finding an opportunity for petty politics.
People of Bengal shold take call for their future generation.
When I went throgh the discussion board and went through the different discussions, really feel very sorry to have such negative politicians with very negative attitude.I am really surprised how the country young people will be guided.To my view and opinion the country energies are in an negative direction more than the positive ness with such type of leaders in our country.
Some points are to be remembered in this regard : 1) Land is a Factor of production. If any one enhances land price so arbitrarily , no industruy on it will be ever profitable. 2)Democracy is the rule of majority. 11000 out of 13000 farmers have already taken their cheques. How can we stop the project now ? 3) If 400 acres land are to be distributed among 2000 farmers, each one will get around 2,25 bighas land on an average. Is such a small piece of land really only livelihood of any farmer? 4)Further, this project is a show-piece project ( like advertisement expenses ) which is expected to attract more investments in future. Is the concept really bad ? 5) If Mamta is a real friend of farmers, why did she stop Reliance Fresh to operate in Bengal ? After all , they were giving much better price to the Farmers. Is she looking the interest of middlemenan only ? Aslo legally it is not possible to return back the acquired land as per SC's verdict . Even if Govt give them any land, that will be given against patta only which meaens the nature of that land will be agricultiral and cannot be converted. That will not help the unwilling farmenrs also. Then what's the point of carrying out such a illegal, fruitless movement by harassing the common people ?
TO SUSTAIN AND GROW WITH THE SO CALLED PHYSICAL ASSETS,TATA WOULD DO A YEMAN SERVICE TO MOTHERLAND INDIA,IF THEY ALSO TAKE UP CREATION OF A NATIONALISTIC MINDSET ENMASSE BY WAY OF ADOPTING AND PRPOGATING 'PRACTISING NATIONALISM'.WE AT 'RASHTRA BHAVNA 'HAVE TAKEN UP THIS TASK AND TAKE UP ON BEHALF OF OTHERS ALSO.JAI BHARAT
