All nano bashers just give me one simple answer. Why are the farmers poor if the land was fertile? dont you think these poor people deserve better? Please support them to get out of the clucthes of poverty by gifting them nano. If possible, always barter hundreds of politicians like didi with tatas, Ambanis, mallyas, Modis, Mittals - any one is better than Ms. Mamata for the people. She has an agenda in keeping people poor so that they continue to vote her.
RE:Why are farmers poor.
by SDR Ranganathan on Aug 27, 2008 12:20 PM Permalink
You are right Mr.Mirza. Mamtha Banerjee is a street fighter making noise all the tiem but she has never done anything positive at anyu time. If WB Govt wants to do some thing which will help them to grow they should be encouraged. All this cheap political milage seeking should stop.
RE:Why are farmers poor.
by Mainuddin Mahmud on Aug 27, 2008 12:15 PM Permalink
Let Mamata Bannerjee give me one simple reply. Could she ever feed . help hundreds of thousands of poor farmers / people of India, rather West Bangal? Instead Mamata Bannerjee brought in Chaos, Ploitical Brutality, Murder!!!!
RE:Why are farmers poor.
by biswajit on Aug 27, 2008 12:29 PM Permalink
Mahmud- I think u should know.After 30 yrs ruled by Left-CPIM in WB d Farmers(mainly who has not any land) r most gainer ,dats why d financial health of villages of WB in very good n 22000 cr rupees market has created in rural area. u will surprised dat ,last two-three yrs HERO HONDA has sold highest motorcycle in WB it is only due to change of village economy.
RE:Why are farmers poor.
by biswajit on Aug 27, 2008 12:42 PM Permalink
sorry i want to say- Due to ' Operetion Borga' huge vested land n land from Jotdar ( who has more than 30 acors land) has been distributed to d ' LAND LESS FERMERS '.
Who says 12 Lacs /Acre is less rate, I am ready to give 25 Acre Land in UP at this rate to Mr. Tata. In East and Noth East like Bihar, West Bengal and UP this is the genuine rate for a fertile land.
You are writing this blog like you are living in 1600-1930 period. Brother i am talking about business and corporates deals not writing blogs on British or Mugal time land adoption.
Aur Singur is not first place where government is buying land it happens every where, for airport, militiry base, institutions etc.
RE:12 Lacs/Acre
by alrup on Aug 27, 2008 12:07 PM Permalink
It is not a less rate if you alone own this, but if you have to share this to 13,000 family it is a really less rate
RE:TATA MOTORS- Emotional Black Mailers!
by Amit Arora on Aug 27, 2008 11:53 AM Permalink
Ratan Tata didn't selected the Singur land for Nana plant. It was CPI communist who offered him land. All fault is of communist not Ratan TATA may be Ratan TATA never went to West Bengal in his whole life.
RE:TATA MOTORS- Emotional Black Mailers!
by SHUJAT MIRZA on Aug 27, 2008 12:10 PM Permalink
I pity your knowledge and wisdom man. Please wake up and get out of didis lap. The issues you mention can be thrashed out by discussions and in cout of law. Not on streets. Jai hind
RE:TATA MOTORS- Emotional Black Mailers!
by Kabeer on Aug 27, 2008 12:16 PM Permalink
Dear Shujat,
Tell me what right the Govt has to force a farmer to sell his land to a third party?
Does the land belong to the Govt, so that it can sell whenever and whomever and whatever price it likes?
Just because the farmers are poor, can the GOvt force the rich Tata Motors to sell its cars at predetermined lower rates to farmers? Or can the Govt force Tata Motors give its equity shares at a discount to poor farmers? If such a demand is made what kind of answers you guys will give?
I have woken up; now people like you should come down to earth and find your feet!
Re: TATA MOTORS- Emotional Black Mailers!
by Shujat Mirza on Aug 28, 2008 11:53 PM Permalink
Dear Kabeer, I know I can't convert you. You are a staunch supporter of individuals rights --- including rigts to property. I also rate individuals rights as supreme and above states rights. As I have been writing again and again, and I am at pains to repeat it, please let all matters of rights be sttled in court of law and have trust in constitution and rule of law. Let us return back to civil society from the jungle law that was on full view in nandigram for some time now. If court say deal is white, accept it. Court says one party has been wronged, well court will certainly deal with it. Court closed down Enron - remember, it will close down Tata's if they breached law. Cool down and let all of us have single target in mind that decision should be in favour of public at large, poor farmers, WB, India, humanity and environment. Jai hain
RE:TATA MOTORS- Emotional Black Mailers!
by KALA BHAINS on Aug 27, 2008 01:23 PM Permalink
Tatas were shown several places out of which they selected Singur. Tatas are not so naive that they would accept any land without seeing for making such a huge investment for a prestigious project.
RE:TATA MOTORS- Emotional Black Mailers!
by Sajid Hassan on Aug 27, 2008 11:53 AM Permalink
Lallu, open market mein ja ke 2000 acres khareed kar dikha. Itne badey project ke liye bina government ke support ke invest karna bewaqoofi hai. Uspe jo state ko aise investments se jo fayeda hota hai woh to sabko maaloom hai. Job creation, investment generation etc. etc. 1 lakh mein agar tumhe car mil rahi hai, phir bhi pareshan ho. Shukr karo Tata bhaiyon ka ki unhone ye initiative to liya, sasti car ke liye. Phir se tum log sirf bakchodi kar rahe ho, kyonki tumein maaloom hai sab se aasan yehi hai. Jab itna paisa invest karne jaoge (assuming you have that kind of money, jaan nikal jayegi risk analysis karte2. Tata ke jigrey ko daad do.
RE:TATA MOTORS- Emotional Black Mailers!
by Sajid Hassan on Aug 27, 2008 12:17 PM Permalink
Kya agla comment teri maa ka example le kar doon, Tambi? It was not my language. You got it all wrong. Phir se mera comment padh, teri maa, behen aur aurat ka koi zikr nahin hai. Aur agar tu is language mein mujh se baat karna chahata hai to bata. Believe me you wont stand against me.
RE:TATA MOTORS- Emotional Black Mailers!
by sugata paul on Aug 27, 2008 12:37 PM Permalink
Sajid, you are very much correct.There are few so called literate people like kabeer who never try to use their own brain.
Charitable trust owned in majority of TATA Group set up by Jamshedji Tata. The Tata group is setting nice examples for whole corporate India to emulate. This group is well known for not paying bribes to corrupt Indian officials. Even though the total turn over of the Tata group is over 70 billion USD none of its clan features in richest person on earth. Its because all of the Tata group companies now 100 of them till now are owned in majority by Charitable trust set up by Jamshedji Tata. These trusts invest heavily in development of India through educational institutions, scientific research centers and hospitals. They give hope to millions of Indians to believe that golden age of India is coming soon. Tata Moters paid 1-billion pound bid to to clinch Jaguar-Land Rover deal accepted by Ford. Tata group, paid $11.1 billion to acquire Anglo-Dutch steel maker Corus. Tata power sector bought significant stakes in two Indonesian groups, PT Kaltim Prima Coal and PT Arutmin Indonesia, for $1.1 billion.
RE:TATA Group of companies are the most respectful group of India.
by Guest on Aug 27, 2008 12:33 PM Permalink
No Sorry..not happy at all with tata sky..I personally hv very bad experience with them and I'll really think 1000 times before investing in any tata products.They have not bothered to even reply one single time to my several mails written to them regarding the problems faced by me.they have the tactics to lure you and once you become thr customer,sweet harassment policy comes into effect..so for me TATA to TATA for ever..
RE:TATA Group of companies are the most respectful group of India.
by Kabeer on Aug 27, 2008 11:46 AM Permalink
For all those who are screaming hoarse their lungs out in this blog in support of Ratan Tata, please answer me honestly, if you want.
In Bombay you got two whacking stadia Brabourne & Wankhede in the prime business district where only a couple of cricket matches are played in a year.
Govt asked the land be sold to any one and build multi storeyed office space there. The ongoing office space rates are already one of the highest in the world there i.e Nariman Point.
The owners of the stadia i.e Private Clubs refused to sell that land stating that it is their private property and they can do whatever they like with it. Selling it to build multi storeyed offic space for the good of the nation didnt bother them. Every educated person supported them stating that it is their property and they can do what they like and the GOvt has no say in it.
FINE!
Now, in Singur, the land is alluvial soil i.e. the richest arable soil irrigated by the gangetic tributaries over millenia. The farmers are tilling that land for centuries and are makiing a living out of it.
What moral right has anyone to force them to sell their lands to the Tatas?
If you are rich you get away by builing whacking stadia in the prime business district of the nation.
If you are poor you are forced to sell your best farming land to some one else and you have no say in it?
Are all those educated lot who are screaming hoarse here believe in equality and common rights? Or are they regurgit
RE:TATA Group of companies are the most respectful group of India.
by siddhartha Dutta on Aug 27, 2008 12:36 PM Permalink
Is so sad that middle class so called educated section of people are getting so worried that they are behaving like Tata's paid agents. Why these agents are not requesting Mr Tata to respect " The right to Land" of the poor farmers. Tata's are as bad as Ambani's. Tata's are killing Turtles in Dhamra, Killing Tribals in Kalinga Nagar, Killing birds in Tanzania. Now they are killing farmers in Singur.
Actually they are a "Criminal Corporate".
I sincerely request Mr Tata to give back unwilling farmers land and then build his Factory.
Tata dont want his employees to be beaten up but doesn't mind farmers losing their livelihood. His priorities are clear though his politics is warped. People of Singur have to sacrifice so that some other people who they don't know can lead a nano life provided by Tatas and Buddhadheb. CPM is a funny party. On one had you want industrialisation on the other you oppose so called exploitation of the working class!
RE:Is it employees vs farmers
by Kapil Shah on Aug 27, 2008 12:16 PM Permalink
It is not fault of Tata. West Bengal Govt.is offered to this project in that state.But to for no reason and only for votes Mamta is making this non sence.Poor Farmars are getting more than the land value.So they can do something from that money and also they can expect Job in Tata.This is really going to unfortunate thing for West Bengal.
The govt. is paying Rs. 12 lakh/acre for land at singur. This is very high as many people think. But for 900 acre land, I saw there are 13,000 farmers who donated their land.
So a simple average calculation says that there are 14-15 farmers per acre land and in that case each receive less than one lakh.
If each farmer is assumed to be a head of a family of 3-4 dependants then how much does each receive??
These fertile lands are a source of perpetual income to these poor farmers who are unskilled and just marginally literate...they can't do other jobs also We are leaving them to begging..
Can you imagine yourself being given such a paltry sum and asked to refrain yourself from our skill domain for whole life...
Most of these people in this blog think that food grains come from super malls (Reliance fresh etc..)
Although I am not communist but I can only say the TATAs and the govt. are not providing enough compensation to these poor people.
RE:RE:A simple Statistics
by SHUJAT MIRZA on Aug 27, 2008 11:50 AM Permalink
See what you have written. You declare farmers are "poor", "unskilled", "marginally literate", etc. Ever gave a thought what is keeping these farmers poor. Its suhc attitude to continue suckling on the breast of the malnourished mother land. Give a change over. Give a living chance of a life time to the poor farmers. Let nano come which will bring with it many other ancilliary industries, schooles, hospitals and God willing, the poor farmers will be freed of centuries of stranglehold of poverty. Please wake up and talk sence. Jai Hind
RE:A simple Statistics
by sugata paul on Aug 27, 2008 12:47 PM Permalink
Kabeer, You really a stupid fellow, who never look anything positive.Your best place is on a tea stall bench with your unemployed 30 freinds.
RE:A simple Statistics
by Raghavendra Kulkarni on Aug 27, 2008 11:48 AM Permalink
We can look at statistics in the other way too: 1. 14-15 farmer per acre? That mean, approximately 15 farmers * 3 members per farmer = 45 members, feeding on one acre. 2. With this land allotment, one job per family is assured, along with the compensation amount. Which one is a better option?
I am not saying that all aggri land in India should be Industrialized. But, some land needs to be allocated for Industrial growth!
RE:A simple Statistics
by alrup on Aug 27, 2008 11:59 AM Permalink
Dear Kulkarni
1 job per family is not assured...even if they promise some jobs these are unskilled job (because most of them are unskilled) and they won't earn enough to have food
These lands, though unbelievable, produce crops twice/thrice a year and total rice yield from fertile 1 acre enough to feed 45 persons and also sell a portion of it to get annual saving...This is true
RE:A simple Statistics
by KALA BHAINS on Aug 27, 2008 12:48 PM Permalink
Out of 997.11 acre land acquired, 10852 land owners (which included multiple owners of a single plot) of 691.64 acres land collected compensation of Rs. 90.87 crores. Owners of 305.47 acres (2251 persons) did not collect money. There are litigations for 51.11 acres (220 cases). Even the labourers of the agricultural fields (locally called 'bargadars') of that area were also compensated. Out of 244 bargadars only 14 did not collect compensation. The land were mostly single crop or two-crops land. Had they been that fertile or the incomes from their land was so high, then why they are being called as poor farmers. On my recent visit to WB, I talked to my bank's Agriculture Officer of Singur area. (He privately confided to me that he was a TMC supporter, but did not support the agitation). His opinion was that the compensation package was very good, that is why mostly accepted it. The land holdings per family was so meagre that it was becoming difficult for the farmers to make both ends meet. Though the problem is not connected with my home state, being an Indian I am worried if such a huge investment is to be shifted out of WB, it would be a shame for all the people of the state, not for the ruling party supporters alone. Also it will be a collossal waste of money which will be a national loss. The supporters of the agitating leaders, think about long-term benefit of your state. Medha Patekar, who has not done anything for Maharashtra farmers, is supporting Mamtaji only to ha
RE:A simple Statistics
by Kabeer on Aug 27, 2008 11:21 AM Permalink
For all those who are screaming hoarse their lungs out in this blog in support of Ratan Tata, please answer me honestly, if you want.
In Bombay you got two whacking stadia Brabourne & Wankhede in the prime business district where only a couple of cricket matches are played in a year.
Govt asked the land be sold to any one and build multi storeyed office space there. The ongoing office space rates are already one of the highest in the world there i.e Nariman Point.
The owners of the stadia i.e Private Clubs refused to sell that land stating that it is their private property and they can do whatever they like with it. Selling it to build multi storeyed offic space for the good of the nation didnt bother them. Every educated person supported them stating that it is their property and they can do what they like and the GOvt has no say in it.
FINE!
Now, in Singur, the land is alluvial soil i.e. the richest arable soil irrigated by the gangetic tributaries over millenia. The farmers are tilling that land for centuries and are makiing a living out of it.
What moral right has anyone to force them to sell their lands to the Tatas?
If you are rich you get away by builing whacking stadia in the prime business district of the nation.
If you are poor you are forced to sell your best farming land to some one else and you have no say in it?
Are all those educated lot who are screaming hoarse here believe in equality and common rights? Or are they regurgit
RE:A simple Statistics
by abhinav mishra on Aug 27, 2008 12:56 PM Permalink
Boss don't talk about all that "Morality Thing" here cos everyone knows that the Growth index of West Bengal is Below than that of Bihar. So if tata's put a plant in Singur, ppl there will get job locally and they don't need to go out for work.Try to see the bigger picture dude.
RE:RE:A simple Statistics
by prakash bhattacharya on Aug 27, 2008 11:40 AM Permalink
First we have seen land was taken from so called Jotdars and Jamidars (even the poor congies were also in that category). Now the hypocrat commies are transferring the same to the Indusutrialiists. Can you please tell who would the next transferees? Can you recall those days when Metal Box, GKW, etc. companies were closed and Philips, etc. companies were forced to move out of Kolkata due to the agitation of CITU? Please commies, do not show your hypocracy again? Last thirty years we the bengalis were trained to stage demonstration, agitation, gherao, etc. How can we forget its applications within 30 days? It is the achievement of the Commies to include the word "GHERAO" in OXFORD Dictionary. Are you not proud of that? Can you please tell us the amount of cut-money given to CPIM by the TATAs for Singur? Why the agreement is so confidential to the Government? Is it threatning the safety and security to our country? My dear commies please come out. Lastly, please tell me why highly fertile land in Singur has been selected when we have a large bank barren lands of infinite number of closed factories? Are the cadres of CPIM party planning to develop buildings in those places? Is there any commy who can clarify me?
RE:RE:A simple Statistics
by abhinav mishra on Aug 27, 2008 01:00 PM Permalink
if you can't make the poor understand a simple fact that they should avoid producing babies like insects than they have no rights to talk about rights of government.Government is doing what it can do and the same with ppl like Tata's.First go and tell those ppl not to contribute in POPULATION EXPLOSION than balme the government or anybody like TATA'S.
Dear SIr When do we see an you entering into the Aviation sector It is true tata wasnt given a fair treatment when the government acquired tata airways and converted it into Air india and Indian Airlines but now with the avaiation segment opening up, wouldnt be a matter of great pride to have a Airline company too,, this is something which i expect from Tata's who have always been passionate about their business not all business are done with profits as the soul motto some are done for passion and dreams, there is nothing that can be done about the history but lets create an present which will be seen by the generations going ahead as Tata Resilience
RE:Open Letter to Mr Tata
by Guest on Aug 27, 2008 11:39 AM Permalink
Hi Atul, In 18-24 months time you will able to see TATA's piloting Spicejet. There is a possibility though that they might revamp the business model of Spicejet. It will be changed to a high value carrier one from the present LCC model. ROI in Airline Business is a 7-9 %, with the exceptions of Singapore Airlines and Southwest and few others. By and large it isnt a lucrative business as one would expect especially considering the operational cost's in a country like India. If the industry is to fully benefit from the strong economy of India, the govt has to come up with prudent and benefitting tax regulations.
RE:Open Letter to Mr Tata
by Rahul on Aug 27, 2008 11:36 AM Permalink
It belongs to Wadia family I believe and it has nothing to do with TATA except common name of the airlines, tata's car.
If it is al all decided that fertile land should be only for agriculture then how dams, roads schools Universities or any large plant would be built in states like UP,Bihar,WB,Kerala?It means people of these states should continue farming and commit sucide.Those who talking of agriculture don't know how loss making agriculture is and every state city has a right to progress in industrial front too, there has to be a balance. How many of us are ready to do farming ourselves so that country is selfdependent.we want to work in AC offices, farmers sons and daughters should have no option to do jobs. As for as free or concessional land is concerned just see how Maharashtra,Tamilnadu,Rajasthan are calling TATA to come there. It is always there to give some concessions by way of cheap lands, tax exeption to attract large investment and same has been given to all major plants including Maruti, Hyundai etc. The fact that Mr Amar Singh has joined protest shows its only corporate rivalary, whereas whole world was appreciating Nano in auto show we traditional leg pullers are criticising it even before it has been used by anyone. In free market no one is forced to buy nano but why to deprive millions of middle class to ride a car for safe journey avoid rain etc?
RE:Fertile land
by mahadev koley on Aug 27, 2008 12:30 PM Permalink
dear Mr Akhilesh, for your information there is low land in Dira whre only rice and some times jute is produced. this difference from Singur 4 kilomiter. if TATA and our GOVT choice this place there is no protest. KRISHI AND INDUSTRY SHOULD BE IN PARALAL. to make a school/hospita/road one farmer is not loses his hole property and alos may not be require 100 acar land but in Singur 13000 farmer loses hole property. again i remember you that Mamata offered to take 300 acar which is low land, opposite to the Durgapur High way. a couple of days before applyed the rules of 144 to complite the factory if Budhadeb is aware this convertation why not done????
For all those who are screaming hoarse their lungs out in this blog in support of Ratan Tata, please answer me honestly, if you want.
In Bombay you got two whacking stadia Brabourne & Wankhede in the prime business district where only a couple of cricket matches are played in a year.
Govt asked the land be sold to any one and build multi storeyed office space there. The ongoing office space rates are already one of the highest in the world there i.e Nariman Point.
The owners of the stadia i.e Private Clubs refused to sell that land stating that it is their private property and they can do whatever they like with it. Selling it to build multi storeyed offic space for the good of the nation didnt bother them. Every educated person supported them stating that it is their property and they can do what they like and the GOvt has no say in it.
FINE!
Now, in Singur, the land is alluvial soil i.e. the richest arable soil irrigated by the gangetic tributaries over millenia. The farmers are tilling that land for centuries and are makiing a living out of it.
What moral right has anyone to force them to sell their lands to the Tatas?
If you are rich you get away by builing whacking stadia in the prime business district of the nation.
If you are poor you are forced to sell your best farming land to some one else and you have no say in it?
Are all those educated lot who are screaming hoarse here believe in equality and common rights? Or are they regurgit
RE:I, ME, MYSELF - RATAN TATA!
by ajith k on Aug 27, 2008 12:12 PM Permalink
Hi, Accuquiring the land is nothing related with TATA. Tata asked for some land from govt. and WB commu govt has provied the land. thats all. Tata never told they will setup factory at this particular place. This the question to be asked to WB govt who is responsible. Why to blame tata?
RE:I, ME, MYSELF - RATAN TATA!
by akhilesh dixit on Aug 27, 2008 11:18 AM Permalink
You want them to continue farming so that never prosper because we all know farming in India with small holdings only leading to sucides. If the land is so fertile the best in India what spl crop it is producing which cant be produced in any other place. Govt is owner of owners as per act and in public interest it can take lands by giving suitable compensation, otherwise noone will part his land and no collges, raods dams,canals can be ever built. So much protest was done by Megha in Narmada Dam but go and see Gujrat it has changed life of millions by giving water and electricity.Don't make India live in Stone age again.
RE:I, ME, MYSELF - RATAN TATA!
by Kabeer on Aug 27, 2008 11:29 AM Permalink
Dear Akhilesh,
Why there should be an obligation on the part of a farmer to sell his land to a private entity?
Is Tata Motors a part of Govt? so that giving the land at a price determined by someone else will benefit the shareholders of Tata Motors?
Or the farmers of Tata Motors offered any equity shares of Tata Motors?
Will Tata Motors be forced to sell their equity stake to the Govt at a price determined by the Govt, if the Company is incurring losses-based on your logic of unremunerative farming?
RE:I, ME, MYSELF - RATAN TATA!
by SHUJAT MIRZA on Aug 27, 2008 11:54 AM Permalink
Lets decide matters of rights under the constitution in courts, not on the streets. Jai Hind
RE:I, ME, MYSELF - RATAN TATA!
by Kohinoor Basu on Aug 27, 2008 12:06 PM Permalink
Hungry and half naked people have no right anywhere in the world. Its survival of the fittest. Lets build industry and I can assure you people will find a way to survive. The only way out of poverty is industrialization. It has happened in Europe 150 yrs back, it has happened in Far east in early '80 and it has happened in China in late 90's.
And we Indians are only worried people's rights, and other crap. Lets get industrialized, lets feed the masses, and then we can talk about people's rights. Again, you cannot have rights on empty stomach.
RE:I, ME, MYSELF - RATAN TATA!
by akhilesh dixit on Aug 27, 2008 12:10 PM Permalink
What right? even in communist countries all lands are of state given on lease. If everybody is given right nothing big can ever happen in name of right. No land can be ever acquired even for ports airports by your logic because from open market one can never get such big land.State is not fool they give it because they know state will get taxes,it will create employment earn foreign exchanges etc. We are not born with land from our mothers womb.These all are given by state.They are owner of owner.
