no, we do not need more IITs. more IITs will only dilute the standards. I am currently a Masters student in Mech Engg in the USA. if the number of IITs is increased, all good candidates (i said good, not excellent) will be in them and so the engg colleges at the state level will have to accept sub standard candidates. even now there are thousands of engineering students who hardly know anything about engineering. engineering is highly valued in other countries but the maximum number of engineers in the west are indians. all of them r not really competent enough to get jobs and will end up doing just about anything to earn a living, thereby diluting the quality or good name of the really competent ones
RE:more iits?
by Ashish on Oct 20, 2003 11:51 PM Permalink
Dear Deepa, Yes,I totally agree that just changing name of an institution from REC to IIT will not serve any purpose.Instead the present conditions and infrastructure of REC'S should be improved to fill in the gap between the two.
But I am totally not in favour of your other part of the comments: You are judging others on there capabilities too much. Can't a person from REC be a good or excellent engineer.It doesn't mean a person who is not in IIT can never be a good engineer.The point is the IITians only get a good platform to start their career which a person from REC is sometimes not able to get .But after that it is the attitude and thinking that matters the most to be a success rather than how good you operate computer or other skills .To be a success you need more than just skills.So please don't judge others too much.Good people will always go high whether they are from IIT or REC.If I may add around 2000 people graduate from IIT every year not all of them end up doing great.It depends on individual.
RE:more iits?
by thomas on Oct 20, 2003 09:20 PM Permalink
hi,
to study does not means that you are an intelligent one.those who have money can go anywhere and can take the degree without mastering it.A true national thinks for the progressiveness of the country. i think you dont know how the REC'S are working.study about it and then write the comments. wishing you a better future. bye
RE:more iits?
by Satheesh on Oct 22, 2003 12:31 AM Permalink
Ohh!!! U were a superstandard student!! Is that y u ran to USA?? If u think a lil in the direction I show, u will admit that u had been missing something till now. The brightest and better than the brightest runs off to USA once their graduation is over in India. It is the leftovers, I mean the substandards who had been running the show till now in this country! Thats the place where I live now and most probably ur pa & ma are with me too. Now tell me what do u want to do with the bone-less, sorry "ONLY ME" kinda guys. U have to create oppurtunities for them to create wonders here. India doesn't need those kinda wonders I suppose! If proper education at IIT can't make them think properly...whatelse on earth will! Don't worry yaar...these substandard ppl know how to make their country a superpower. It will happen before I die.
I fully support upgrading few of the existing REC to IIT levels. Infact I feel we should open a small percentage of seats to foregn nationals and collect hefty amount on those seats that will not only help to finance some research activity but will also increase foregn reserves.
RE:do we need more IITs?
by Abhisake Saha on Oct 22, 2003 04:07 AM Permalink
For your kind information there used to few seats reserved for the NRI students in all the IIT's till last year.But it has been stoped from this year because some of them were struggling to maintain pace with the vast course of IIT and competting with the other students who come through JEE.
RE:do we need more IITs?
by mayank banjare on Oct 22, 2003 11:12 PM Permalink
i deeply regrett your thinking of not apritiating the best idea of upgrading the NITs to the IITs ,as we r devoloping country so we must require more & more good i.e. the best engg. i mean to say. how u have said that only IITians are the best only we can also perform like that if we will get facilities like that ,the development of any human being will depend's on the environment providede to him.i m a student of 2nd year B.TECH from NIT-NAGPUR,& i wouid like to ask u a question that why u have gone to US ? after thinking to this question will divert ur mind to other side i think so,
so, i think that if more & more IITIs were benifitt more indian brains.so u must think possitive & progressive respect to our country ,we r indians!!!
please reply to me after reading this message , i wouid like to see now what u think?
Long answer - On average, about 2000 students enter the IITs every year for their BTech (the number is higher if you include MTechs). To suggest that India produces just 2000 exceptional brains may not be correct. As with most exams, the JEE could very well be more of an elimination exam rather than an admission exam. Also, the plan to upgrade the RECs to IIT level is not really increasing the supply of top-level engineering seats. It is merely a re-christening of the RECs. I am not aware of the entry procedures into the RECs but by adopting the JEE, the RECs would be raising their standard a notch or two.
Also, instead of having a cut-off number of students as in the present case, it may be better to have an absolute measure such as, say, minimum score of 70% in each of the subjects in the JEE. The rationale being - how much better is the 2000th student from the 2100th. Instead, if an absolute cut-off like 70% (or any number deemed appropriate) is used, one will know for sure how a candidate measures up.
Well, the government of India should have made this important decision decades earlier. If it were to have happened earlier, we would have seen more number of students pursue their ambitions of getting some invaluable education at home rather than get out of the country and pursue it elsewhere!
With the economy getting better, it should be a laudable move.
Increasing the number of IITs only erodes the brand value that IIT has painstakingly created over decades. The outstanding performance of IITians globally - in industry and academia - will be undermined, by rechristening other universities as IITs.
What are we trying to do by increasing the number of IITs?- create an assembly line production of top-class engineers? I'm sorry, thats not the way knowledge is imparted.
The focus should be on upgrading the facilities and infrastructure in other collges, so that their students can compete on their own merit - and then, there is no need to rename them anyway - for whats in a name? Wouldn't the rose smell just as sweet if called by any other name?
what we are trying to do is to rename all flowers as roses, and hope that they all smell the same!!
i just missed it.
by dev on Oct 21, 2003 01:11 AM Permalink
i just wanna ask that girl if she's visited any of the recently developed NIT's still gettin upgraded.
hv u ever considered abt JEE & the brains who just could'nt make it. do u know JEE is a process which makes only abt 3-4 percent final selection. what about people falling in that 5th% ? don't they deserve that extraordinary infrastructure?
The addition of more IIT's is going to dilute the present competiveness present and does nothing more other than giving special name to the other people. The 7 IIT's already present means about 4.5k seats already present which is a huge number and the quality cut off can be seen from the IIT JEE scores and if there is competition even beyong 5k students, then the government can decide if more people can be accredited with the distinguishen of graduating from one of these top class institutions.
The IITs have done India proud. Instead of directly bumping up the RECs into IITs, let the board setup a comprehensive standard for an institution to become an IIT. Faculty, facilities and track record should be part of this. Then have yearly audits of these.
Creating more opportunities for bright students is definitely something we should consider. Building quality as well as quantity is the need of the hour.
India's destiny is great and we are going to need all the strength we can to fulfill it.
No...i strongly protest against the move to upgrade some RECs to IIT status. Most of the RECs are not worthy enough of being upgraded. Although they have good facilities, they lack one basic thing....the teaching staff quality. This wil lead to the IITs losing their great status that they enjoy. The upgradtion will result only in new signboards, not quality education.
RE:No...no more iits
by Aniket on Oct 29, 2003 11:12 AM Permalink
Dear Have you visited any of the campus of any REC? If not, then you dont have any right to comment on the quality of education at RECs. For Example:If you go to REC Trichy, see the infrastructure they have developed over last few years.
1 billion population and just 4.5K IITians.It is not fair.
RE:No...no more iits
by gourav on Oct 21, 2003 07:43 PM Permalink
who told u that rec's dont have good teaching staff.i am a student of rec warangal n our teaching staff is no less than iit.
