whether periyar advocated a philosophy of hate or not,various people in this forum are having a vicious hatred for periyar. periyar advocated self respect. Truth will triumph. self serving twisting and turning and oohing and aahing will be revealed for what they are. the first amendment to the constitution was caused by a fraudulent claim by a person in the madras high court about not getting a seat inspite of scoring well. some questions. why are periyar statues existent in uttar pradesh? as regards reservation,46% of the obc s have 30 % reservation.13% of the upper castes can participate in 31 % of the open category seats.if they are consistently outscored by others ,what does that suggest?
RE:who is propagating hatred
by r patil on May 01, 2007 06:57 PM Permalink
Affirmative action is given to minorities in this world and that too it does not exceeds 10% and that it is voluntry.Look at south africa,USA.No where in the world arrirmative action is done for the huge majority.It is like saying that since parsis are 1% of the population no reservation for them only 5% open category, b'coz after all it is social justice. 5 times more seats are open to them in a democracy and the govt is doing a favour by keeping 5% open seats for a population of 1%. I wonder does the govt follow the same rules while collecting taxes from parsis.
Strange is the maths of tamil nadu andtamilians. 1)reservation since 1920 = increase in creamy layer. 2)reservation as high as 69% = increase in creamy layer.
They some how agree on left hand side but totaly refuse the R.H.S result.Infact they will argue that R.H.S = more increance in backward people.Therefore more reservation !!!!!!!!!!!! But at the same time looking that their answer, if a person comes to a conclution that reservation increases backwardness, they some how have the ability to prove more backwardness = more social justice .
Hail reservationist we are simply incapable of understanding your maths excuse us.
RE:who is propagating hatred
by dinesh kumar on May 01, 2007 07:01 PM Permalink
hi rpatil,since when have reservations in education been educated? how many seats are in the reserved category? how many students have benefited by reservations? what is the population of obc s in number. rpatil,give me a few of these numbers.either u or i will be proved right.
RE:RE:who is propagating hatred
by Humanist on May 01, 2007 07:13 PM Permalink
Periyar hated Hindi wallahs. I wonder who put statues there. Ambedkar was educated whereas Periyar was not Ambedkar quit a religion he considered not equal whereas Periyar visited dance bars. Periyar wanted a separate country for Dravidians, i think only because of Jayalalitha his vicious philosophy has lost some of his sting
RE:who is propagating hatred
by r patil on May 01, 2007 07:41 PM Permalink
I did not understand what exactly u want me to give.AnywayAs you know I come from non-brahmin community.My father and all his school friends and relatives also studied till 10std .That is the reason he did not made us quit schooling and made my brother study atleast 10std and we joined college and graduated.MY cousins who studied in varnacular school did their masters ,one did her PHD in phsics other gave her MPSC twice first time she became class II officer and at second attempt she became class I officer .On top of it my cousin who is classI officer is handicaped lost her one leg in accident and lost her one year of schooling.Till she became 24 yrs she had undergone so many painfull grafting surgeries. The greatest thing about her is she refused to take handicap reservation,she actually wanted to be a doctor but standing for 6 long hr in practicals was impossiable for her that is why she did BSc and later MSC and MPSC.
What Iam trying to say is that to become a rocket scientist your father need not be a rocket scientist.It is ussualy we come to know about different field from our freinds and teachers and news paper than our family.I did my Engineering in merit distinction while having a 10std passed father and they were dozens like me.I agree that before getting engneering seat I took Bsc with PCM group and not with Biology group because I did not knew anthing about micro biology ,bio technology and the job benefits came along with it.
Since reservation is from so long in Tamil nadu I can safely say many of the reserved young population is atleast graduate or atleast 12 pass.This is enough to make their children rocket scientist if they wish to become one and hence they should be removed from reservation list.When you say population of obc is 46% but getting 30% reservation that is not technically correct i beleive because, new born children,middle aged and old age people are also counted in that. Further when Ambedkar wrote the constitution we were not told that college seat and salary jobs were going to be divided as per the population,more population more represtation .Infact we were promised that we were not going to be discriminated on caste lines and EQUAL opportunity will be provided to all irrespective of the cast and social status.
RE:who is propagating hatred
by r patil on May 01, 2007 08:07 PM Permalink
By the way I am second generation to go to school and 1st generation to attend college. My another cousin who did 12 after studying in varnacular school till 10th she was married of at age 17.Now she has put her children in english medium and takes tution of english medium school children on marathi subject because she has studed in marathi school. The best part of it all is she takes up studies of her children by reffering to marathi -english dicnory ,because she is not that good in english.Iam very sure she will make her children atleast graduate.
I agree with subbu many FC can get back door entry in reservation by making their cast as backward on paper.I personally know one tamil couple who both are engineers they are proud to their upper status of the cast ,but for political reason their representives have made their cast MBC.
