if Brahmins had some courageous people among them and formed a separate country, they would have prospered like Israelis. Also they should now think of accumulating wealth and helping other Brahmins. The one thing they lack is courage. They can do pretty much everything else required for forming a great country by themselves
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by on Apr 30, 2007 10:58 PM Permalink
NO I DONT AGREE WITH YOU SIR...
To start with Brahmins never have a feeling of kinship. Brahmins consider their own people as their rivals. Of course, I may be wrong in generalising... In several organizations, Brahmins would prefer to work under a OBC or Dalit rather than a fellow Brahmin. It is like that.
Yes, not withstanding the lies of some fools, this is how India works. That may also explain how the system could continue for 2000 years... it is not always as bad as the Periyarists claim.
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by VIJAYA BUDDHIRAJU on Apr 30, 2007 11:42 PM Permalink
More I read, more I am fascinated at the mind boggling contributions by the Brahmins to the music, art, religion, language, dance, social order. It surprises me how they preserved the books against the odds of ruthless foreign rule. Almost every country surrendered to either Islam or Christianity. What these Peiyars and his following scum contribute to the society? Hatred, divisions based on caste, shameless rape of the country and its wealth?
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by on Apr 30, 2007 11:01 PM Permalink
And it is in a way good too...
Infact notwitstanding Manu's Laws, over last 2000 years, Caste system was not as rigid as it was ordained... How come so many violations of caste laws were happening even in Mahabaratha?
It was because of what i said - more than any other community, Brahmins were a high feeling of competition among themselves and they always preferred to support another community person than their own.
When Buddha started his religion, he was stunned to find that some of his earliest followers were Brahmins, who were previously working in temples. That is how India works.
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by subbu on Apr 30, 2007 11:04 PM Permalink
u may tell that brahmins may consider fellow brahmins as rivals but that is not a reason for hating brahminism. that is the starting point for critisizm and a healthy society. that is where competition starts. is it not healthy to the society unless practiced in negative attitude?
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by Humanist on Apr 30, 2007 11:03 PM Permalink
it is time for that to change, else they will suffer badly. I hope NRN and other rich Brahmins help poor Brahmins. Atleast they now are thinking on forming alliances with others as in UP, previosuly they simply blindly voted for Mayawati.
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by west on Apr 30, 2007 11:19 PM Permalink
It's not the lack of courage. They stand for real Brahmanism which teaches that knowledge is the ultimate power. So, they spend most time in acquiring knowledge than burning busses, effigies, etc. I ask all those intelligent 3% to migrate to some other country and spread their knowledge there. These non-knowledgeable ministers that get elected in India do not know that they are cutting the tree that is giving them the shelter. For sure - in the history, they will be known as rakshasas with their previous birth sins.
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by sridhar gorantla on May 01, 2007 12:26 AM Permalink
UNDERSTAND ORIGINAL CASTE SYSTEM CLEARLY AND THEN YOU WILL UNDERSTAND HOW IT WAS MISUSED IN INDIAN HISTORY. HERE IS AN EXCERPT FROM THE WORLD FAMOUS BOOK "AUTOBIOGRAPHY OF A YOGI" by SWAMI PARAMAHAMSA YOGANANDA. HERE IS A FREE ONLINE VERSION OF THIS BOOK:
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---------------------------------------------------------------< BR>HERE IS THE CASTE SYSTEM EXPLANATION IN ITS UNADULTERATED FORM: --------------------------------------------------------------- The origin of the caste system, formulated by the great legislator Manu, was admirable. He saw clearly that men are distinguished by natural evolution into four great classes: those capable of offering service to society through their bodily labor ( Sudras); those who serve through mentality, skill, agriculture, trade, commerce, business life in general (Vaisyas); those whose talents are administrative, executive, and protective%u2014rulers and warriors ( Kshatriyas); those of contemplative nature, spiritually inspired and inspiring (Brahmins). "Neither birth nor sacraments nor study nor ancestry can decide whether a person is twice-born (i.e., a Brahmin);" the Mahabharata declares, "character and conduct only can decide."Manu instructed society to show respect to its members insofar as they possessed wisdom, virtue, age, kinship or, lastly, wealth. Riches in Vedic India were always despised if they were hoarded or unavailable for charitable purposes. Ungenerous men of great wealth were assigned a low rank in society.
"Inclusion in one of these four castes originally depended not on a man's birth but on his natural capacities as demonstrated by the goal in life he elected to achieve," an article in East-West for January, 1935, tells us. "This goal could be (1) kama, desire, activity of the life of the senses (Sudra stage), (2) artha, gain, fulfilling but controlling the desires (Vaisya stage), (3) dharma, self-discipline, the life of responsibility and right action (Kshatriya stage), (4) moksha, liberation, the life of spirituality and religious teaching (Brahmin stage). These four castes render service to humanity by (1) body, (2) mind, (3) will power, (4) Spirit. "These four stages have their correspondence in the eternal gunas or qualities of nature, tamas, rajas, and sattva: obstruction, activity, and expansion; or, mass, energy, and intelligence. The four natural castes are marked by the gunas as (1) tamas (ignorance), (2) tamas-rajas (mixture of ignorance and activity), (3) rajas-sattva (mixture of right activity and enlightenment), (4) sattva (enlightenment). Thus has nature marked every man with his caste, by the predominance in himself of one, or the mixture of two, of the gunas. Of course every human being has all three gunas in varying proportions. The guru will be able rightly to determine a man's caste or evolutionary status.
Serious evils arose when the caste system became hardened through the centuries into a hereditary halter. Social reformers like Gandhi and the members of very numerous societies in India today are making slow but sure progress in restoring the ancient values of caste, based solely on natural qualification and not on birth. Every nation on earth has its own distinctive misery-producing karma to deal with and remove; India, too, with her versatile and invulnerable spirit, shall prove herself equal to the task of caste-reformation.
"To a certain extent, all races and nations observe in practice, if not in theory, the features of caste. Where there is great license or so-called liberty, particularly in intermarriage between extremes in the natural castes, the race dwindles away and becomes extinct. The Purana Samhita compares the offspring of such unions to barren hybrids, like the mule which is incapable of propagation of its own species. Artificial species are eventually exterminated. History offers abundant proof of numerous great races which no longer have any living representatives. The caste system of India is credited by her most profound thinkers with being the check or preventive against license which has preserved the purity of the race and brought it safely through millenniums of vicissitudes, while other races have vanished in oblivion."
