That with a 2:1 H2H against Federer,an Olympic Gold, more Masters titles, earlier career slam, and just 3 slams short( 5 years junior) ...Nadal is far superior to Federer.
Re: I agree...
by Anuraug Rathor on Sep 20, 2015 09:48 AM
- Dustin Brown has 2:0 h2h and Davydenko 6:5 record against Nadal (Soon Djokovic will also have a better h2h )
- Olympic Gold (OG) has only 750 points to the winner... less than even the Masters 1000. Winning a OG is similar to winning a OG in football, nobody really care. (In football its the WC and in tennis its the GS)
- Nadal has 27 masters titles, which will soon be overtaken by Djokovic (24), who is in prime and one year younger.
- Earlier career slam is not a big deal. Some peak early and some late. (Some like Nadal also fade quickly)
- 3 slams short. But that gap is never going to be bridged.
All in all Nadal's case is weak and only a minority few will argue he is the greatest.
Re: Re: I agree...
by Anuraug Rathor on Sep 20, 2015 10:51 AM
H2H is not a true indication for being a better player. Davydenko is 6:5 against Nadal (does it mean Davy is better player than Nadal) but 2:19 against Federer.... Players match up differently against each other.. but the overall records is what matters.
Weak competition doesn't really exist. If this is strong competition, then Federer is still ranked higher than Nadal at present. Which means Fed is much better player than Nadal overall.
Re: Re: I agree...
by Rocky on Sep 21, 2015 11:27 AM
Real sports fans care.Olympics is far more prestigious than WTF, a circus Masters event with 500 extra points for all the glitz and glam.Nobody gives a damn about WTF.
With 17 grand slam titles, 302 weeks as #1 and 6 atp world tour final titles, Federer is the greatest tennis player of all-time.
Also Djokovic will show he is a more complete player than Nadal, who has been # 1 for only 141 weeks...... whereas Djokovic is on 164 weeks and counting.
Re: I also agree
by Michael on Sep 19, 2015 01:13 PM
If there is argument that Nadal is the greatest, then why can't he be # 1 for more weeks.... Djokovic is # 1 for 164 weeks and counting and in the same playing days of Nadal...
The proof of the pudding is in the eating.. similarly the proof of greatness is in the ranking.... Even Federer at 34 is ranked higher than Nadal.... now what happened to Nadal who is # 7 for the past one year..?
Nadal has definitely lost out on the greatest tennis player race.
Re: Re: I also agree
by Michael on Sep 19, 2015 01:19 PM
But I'm happy that Nadal will now be pitted against the Big 3 in the quarters itself and he will be defeated before he even reaches the final. Can't wait for ATP tour finals, when he will be defeated in all the 3 RR matches.
Djokovic and Federer are far better players than Nadal, who is basically a clay court specialist. Thats is the reason he has not won a single world tour final title, which is contested amoung the top 8 players.
Federer is the greatest of all time tennis player. I used to argue a lot thinking Nadal will beat all the records of Federer, but he has fallen flat on his face.
Re: Now I agree
by Anuraug Rathor on Sep 18, 2015 12:08 PM
Weeks at # 1 -------------------- 1. Roger Federer 302 2.Pete Sampras 286 3. Ivan Lendl 270 4. Jimmy Connors 268 5. John McEnroe 170 6. Novak Djokovic 164 * 7. Nadal 141
Re: Re: Now I agree
by Rocky on Sep 18, 2015 01:46 PM
Irrelevant.I useed to quote weeks as No1 as a criteria too,but now I know it is more dependant on the quality of competition which was non existent in Federers early days,or else he would end up with 10 slams and 20 masters.
Re: Re: Re: Now I agree
by Michael on Sep 19, 2015 01:39 PM
Don't give lame excuses.... Fed in his prime single handedly made the quality of competition look weak... Even now he does... only player better than him at present is Djokovic.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Now I agree
by Rocky on Sep 19, 2015 08:55 PM
Lame excuses...you know v well the kind of opposition he faced 2003-2007.It is a fact.Deal with it.Federer would be with 10 slams and 15 masters if not for that golden period.
Re: Now I agree
by Anuraug Rathor on Sep 18, 2015 12:15 PM
Grand slam titles winners Open era records top 5 ------------------------------------------------- 1. Federer 17 2. Sampras and Nadal 14 each 4. Bjorn Bjorg 11 5. Djokovic 10
Re: Re: Now I agree
by Rocky on Sep 18, 2015 01:47 PM
Only criteria really in favour of Federer.Thanks to his golden prios 2003-2007, scooping up majors without effective competition.
Re: Now I agree
by Anuraug Rathor on Sep 18, 2015 12:22 PM
ATP year-end championships titles ------------------------------------ 1. Federer 6 2. Lendl and Sampras 5 each 4. Djokovic 4 . . . . and Nadal 0.
Re: Re: Now I agree
by Rocky on Sep 18, 2015 01:49 PM
Irrelevant.There are many masters which Federer has never won. Monte Carlo __________________________ 1Nadal 8 2 Djokovic 2 . . . . . where's Federer? . . . . . . That's right, 0
Re: Re: Re: Now I agree
by Michael on Sep 19, 2015 01:29 PM
ahaha.. masters and atp tour finals are different... masters has 1000 points for winner, whereas tour final has 1500 points... now don't make a fool of yourself equating them both.
Re: Re: Now I agree
by Rocky on Sep 18, 2015 01:50 PM
Maybe Djokovic will overtake Nadal soon,but Federer will remain where he is... . . . . . .Wonder why he was on the tour 5 years more than Nadal and Djokovic, and still lags them?
Re: Re: Re: Now I agree
by Michael on Sep 19, 2015 01:33 PM
what do you have to say to, Agassi and Connors have been on tour more than Federer, but have only 17 masters titles....
Masters are not the real deal.... but GS are... now who leads in GS.. with 17 titles, yes its Fedex.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Now I agree
by Rocky on Sep 19, 2015 08:59 PM
Agassi and Connors were unlucky not to have a competition less period like Federer 2003-07, or they would have had more slams than him as they were far better players.
I'm very sad that Nadal is now ranked # 7 and losing to players ranked outside 25.... I feel his prime is over and he will not win any more grand slams.. With just 141 weeks at # 1 he is way behind Fed's 302 weeks and is also overtaken by Djokovic... I feel Nadal 's days of running around the court will come to a premature end.
Re: Nadal's time is over
by Rocky on Sep 18, 2015 01:52 PM
Federer's days of running around and bullying weak players was long over, the day Nadal kicked him out of Wimbledon.Now he's playing in Olympic spirit..just participating.
Re: Re: Nadal's time is over
by Michael on Sep 19, 2015 01:45 PM
ahaha... Fed has been in 2 GS finals, won Cincinnati masters and has 5 titles in all this year...
only one playing in Olympic spirit seems to be Nadal who is yet to win a masters and has not been in any GS final, this year.
definitely a great great champ. What separates him from others is a very rock solid defense, the best return of serves in the game and steely determination , almost a killer instinct. Federer has a better all court game, is very versatile,is super on all surfaces but against Novak I guess he has struck a mental block in slams. he will have to play a fearless game against novak to beat him in slams. Thats the only way. Thats how vinci sabotaged serena\\\'s slam (GS) and thats how wawrinka demolished Novak in french open.the way to beat Novak is to play a truely fearless game without being bothered by outcome before hand. Fedex would do well to seize on that.
definitely a great great champ. What separates him from others is a very rock solid defense, the best return of serves in the game and steely determination , almost a killer instinct. Federer has a better all court game, is very versatile,is super on all surfaces but against Novak I guess he has struck a mental block in slams. he will have to play a fearless game against novak to beat him in slams. Thats the only way. Thats how vinci sabotaged serena's slam (GS) and thats how wawrinka demolished Novak in french open.the way to beat Novak is to play a truely fearless game without being bothered by outcome before hand. Fedex would do well to seize on that.
definitely a great great champ. What separates him from others is a very rock solid defense, the best return of serves in the game and steely determination , almost a killer instinct. Federer has a better all court game, is very versatile,is super on all surfaces but against Novak I guess he has struck a mental block in slams. he will have to play a fearless game against novak to beat him in slams. Thats the only way. Thats how vinci sabotaged serena's slam (GS) and thats how wawrinka demolished Novak in french open.the way to beat Novak is to play a truely fearless game without being bothered by outcome before hand. Fedex would do well to seize on that.
