Parameter Barca MU I nterpretation Goal Attempts 14 3 Barca tore MU to shreds -1 On Target 10 1 Accuracy : 71%:33% Off Target 4 2 -do- F ree Kicks 21 6 =Fouls suffered Offsides Corrner Kicks 6 0 More pressure by Barca on MU Offsides 1 5 B etter Defensive line maintained by Barca Throw Ins 21 15 Irrelevant data Saves 0 7 Ba rca tore MU to shreds -2 Goal Kicks 9 8 Irrelevant data Fouls Commited 5 16 Foul ratio (excluding off sides)= 1:3 Ball Possession 65% 35% R atio is 13:7, in England, this is staggering Yellow Cards 2 2 MU were lucky, especially Valencia to have not picked a red card Goals 3 1 Mo re chances, better finishing
Alex Ferguson missed his star players yesterday like the likes of Howard Webb, Mike Dean, Phelan, Marilier etc. Had they been playing Barcelona would have been down to seven men and Manchester United would have won. Barcelona cannot take credit for winning against a depleted side.
ManU might be a gr8 club in EPL but when it comes to competition from Spain they r nowhere. ManU players do not have the skills nor the speed of spanish players, so beating Barca will always be only a dream for English sides.
Re: ManU would never beat Barca
by varunkulkarni on May 29, 2011 01:21 PM
barca get gud match pratice from poor spanish la liga teams...check pts of the 3rd place la liga team its huge compared to barca...and check epl...very small diff...plus they quality players...unlike epl where manu cannot take even westham (relegated team) lightly they have to struggle to win...even 5 star team like aresnal went down to birmingham 2-1 in carling cup final...spanish players do not have speed if u have noticed carefully...thats why all these barca players couldnt play properly in their respective national team...they strugled big time...specially messi...0 goals
Re: ManU would never beat Barca
by Yakoub Khan on May 29, 2011 01:11 PM
MU, individually, are not world class. Add to that SAF's wrong tactics, playing Barca then becomes a nightmare. Jose Mourinho beat Barca last year because of his tactical brilliance.
the british press is adamant in praising non-anglo saxon players(footballers,golfers,swimmers etc). in yesterdays match with man un going down to barca by a big margin(3-1)very reluctantly the british press praised messi & the other barca players. english clubs should know that its football power is due to the scores of foreign players who play for them.
Re: british praise
by Yakoub Khan on May 29, 2011 01:14 PM
Correct. By the way, since 2000, the Bundesliga has made it compulsory for each club to nurture football academies. The result: Ozil, Mueller, Khedeira etc. The impact: Last world cup: Germany 4 England 1
Actually Messi is corrupted form of Machi (dude in Tamil), his full name is Loganthan Machi.
great-great-grandfather of Messi was from Machilipatnam on TN coast and a fisherman by profession. During the great cyclone of 1836, he was lost in sea and finally ended on the other of the globe in Argentina.
If Messi or Loganthan Machi football skills are like Rajni Saar's acting skills.
Re: Vanakkam Machi, Messi is a Tamilian from Machilipatnam.
by Bikash Biswas on May 29, 2011 12:26 PM
By that stretch of imagination, Shakespear is Sheshappa Iyer, Larsen is Lara Sen & Amundsen is Chamunda Sen.
Re: Re: Vanakkam Machi, Messi is a Tamilian from Machilipatnam.
by Pampa on May 29, 2011 02:19 PM
dude, i am talking of 1800's not 1950's. In 1800's, there was no Andhra nor Telengana, it was Tamil Nadu all over :))
Re: Re: Re: Vanakkam Machi, Messi is a Tamilian from Machilipatna
by Vaempuli V on May 29, 2011 02:37 PM
brother, in 1800's there was only Madras presidency no Tamil Nadu. The name change to TN happened only in 1967.
Re: Vanakkam Machi, Messi is a Tamilian from Machilipatnam.
by Gopal on May 29, 2011 11:50 AM
yah - you are right - much like saravanan (Sarwan), Siva narayanan (ShivNarine) and Anbarasu (Ambrose)...
Re: manu
by Yakoub Khan on May 29, 2011 01:00 PM
Barca were "head & shoulders" above MU. Their "tide" swept aside MU, they made MU "vanish". MU was not even "OK" and Barca's "whiteboosters" ensured that MU was "all cleared". To find MU and their supporters, well "dhoondte rehjaoge"!
Re: Re: manu
by varunkulkarni on May 29, 2011 01:30 PM
just bcoz they get good practise from poor la liga team their passin is gud...and barca have quality side...epl has all tough sides to play 5 star team like arsnal went down to birmingham in carling cup final...u cannot predict whats goin to happen in epl coz all teams are too gud...la liga u know the result bfore the match...those teams aare damn poor...ask barca to play in epl lets see their co ordination that time...they would suck big time...specially ur messi who sucked in worldcup without any goals...i think u should have told messi, goals, dhoondte rehjaoge, during wc 2010...lololol
Re: Re: Re: manu
by Vaempuli V on May 29, 2011 01:52 PM
sure .. and the world class talent like Rooney who pumped in goal after goal .. not to mention openly biased refs. give us a break man! only in epl can dead ball experts like Beckham become greats
Re: Re: Re: manu
by Yakoub Khan on May 29, 2011 05:03 PM
Mr. Kulkarni, Point 1: Barca beat Arsenal 2 years in a row. Point 2: They beat MU 2 times in 3 years. Point 3: They won easily. Finally: I sympathise with the condition of all MU fans. Please do not hate Barca, they tried their best to not make it a cricket score! Thank You and have a nice day!
Re: Re: Re: Re: manu
by varunkulkarni on May 29, 2011 09:09 PM
mr khan,i am not into statitics,what my point is,they get gud match practise bcoz of poor la liga teams,check out pts table,la liga barca 96,real madrid 92,valencia 71,compared wid epl diff. between first 3 team pts is not even 10,so that means epl have gud tough teams that cannot b easily beated by top teams also,unlike la liga,what u said is right but total no of matches between barca and arsnal and manu is hardly 4 or 5 in 2 yrs...that means whenever they meet up... barca already have good match practise thanx to weak la liga teams...dont count us off we will come nxt time and beat hell of ur barca...so by that time play against weak teams score pts...thats why none of barca players have guts to get come epl and try out their skills...they have easy life at barca...ur sympathy not required...barca failed to make it to criket score...they would b done by manu...long live manu...manu rox
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: manu
by Yakoub Khan on May 30, 2011 12:03 AM
Mr. Kulkarni, I applaud your love for the game but, the English system produces players with lower skill levels. Proof: 1 WC Win (1966), 1 SF (1990) and 1 European Nations Cup SF (1996). As a result, the % of foreigners there are higher than other leagues. Besides, the youth grooming system i.e. academy structure is inept. If one were to list the 20 best players- past & present, perhaps none would have ever donned the colours of an EPL team, let alone MU. Proof: Zico, Garrincha, Socrates, Pele, Baggio, Maradona, Di Stefano, Yashin, Backenbauer, Cryuff, Maldini, Passarella, Puskas, Romario, Zidane, Gullit, Matthaeus, Muller, Eusebio, Casillas etc. Face it: MU were at home, yet they had 2 attempts on target and 35% ball possession, So, they, as you must have seen, resorted to long balls. La Liga is not as weak as you think. Yes, over the last 10 years, Barca and Real have dominated others, but: 1) This is a recent phase 2) Other teams like Sevilla, Athletico Madrid etc. are pretty strong, with players like Fabiano, Kanoute, Forlan etc. 3) Watch a La Liga or Serie A or a Clausura or a Brazilian League game and you will see players with technical abilities better than those in EPL sides. Proof: Lamella, Nilmar, Ronaldinho, Forlan, Cavani, Pastore, Di Natale, Totti, Sneijder, Pato etc. Finally, I admire MU and I am sorry if I have rubbed you the wrong way but, Barca, have knocked MU "off their perch". Good Night.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: manu
by Yakoub Khan on May 30, 2011 12:06 AM
Mr. Kulkarni, I applaud your love for the game but, the English system produces players with lower skill levels. Proof: 1 WC Win (1966), 1 SF (1990) and 1 European Nations Cup SF (1996). As a result, the % of foreigners there are higher than other leagues. Besides, the youth grooming system i.e. academy structure is inept. If one were to list the 20 best players- past & present, perhaps none would have ever donned the colours of an EPL team, let alone MU. Proof: Zico, Garrincha, Socrates, Pele, Baggio, Maradona, Di Stefano, Yashin, Backenbauer, Cryuff, Maldini, Passarella, Puskas, Romario, Zidane, Gullit, Matthaeus, Muller, Eusebio, Casillas etc. Face it: MU were at home, yet they had 2 attempts on target and 35% ball possession, So, they, as you must have seen, resorted to long balls. La Liga is not as weak as you think. Yes, over the last 10 years, Barca and Real have dominated others, but: 1) This is a recent phase 2) Other teams like Sevilla, Athletico Madrid etc. are pretty strong, with players like Fabiano, Kanoute, Forlan etc. 3) Watch a La Liga or Serie A or a Clausura or a Brazilian League game and you will see players with technical abilities better than those in EPL sides. Proof: Lamella, Nilmar, Ronaldinho, Forlan, Cavani, Pastore, Di Natale, Totti, Sneijder, Pato etc. Finally, I admire MU and I am sorry if I have rubbed you the wrong way but, Barca, have knocked MU "off their perch". Good Night.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: manu
by Yakoub Khan on Jun 03, 2011 12:02 AM
Finally pal, just appreciate that technically & tactically Barca>MU, Iberia & South America> Rest of the world. For Barca to fail in the EPL, teams must play like Stoke City- a rugby like approach, long balls & aerial pressure. But, if u talk of Jogo Bonito, well, I do not want to break your heart. Face it, Northern Europeans have a physical & athletic outlook to the game while Latins focus on ball retention, skill & artistry. In the EPL, technically brilliant players like Suarez, Silva, Thierry Henry, Modric, Van Der Vaart, Torres, Zola, C Ronaldo etc have shone. How would you rate, for example Riquelme as a player? This answer would show which school of football you admire. As far as "technical stuff" is concerned, you tell me why on earth, while playing practically at home, MU had only 35% ball possession. Xavi completed all but 7 of his 148 passes, a record in the Champions League this season, shows his success as linked to that of the champions. Nowhere is there a conductor like him. Michael Carrick, on the other hand, found Ryan Giggs, Wayne Rooney & Javier Hernandez on 17 occasions from 29 passes. You see, this is not an one off match, if it were to be replayed, unless MU were brutally physical, they will be chasing shadows again. Lastly, while the ESPN Football Locker Room Show is fun, A true connoisseur like you will appreciate this link: http://ww
Re: Re: Re: Re: manu
by varunkulkarni on Jun 03, 2011 08:56 PM
u dint get my pt...discussion is abt weak teams in liga that ultimately help barca becoming better side...ronaldos stats showed what happens in epl and liga...dont consider only one team stoke even they would b tough if barca comes and plays epl plus 37 matches...physical outluk doesnt matter coz more physical u are on field more chances are there to get yellows reds and freekicks...thats y all top scorers technical strong n not phusical both in epl and liga...u are here to play futball and not wrestle...even tiny player like messi can end ones career using his spikes...doesnt count...infact its reverse...agree latins are technically gud...but u see it helps only individual record...futball is team game...if u arent bonus for ur team...is the worst...whats use of ur skill...proof ur messi had scored 0 in wc...i heard he is most skillful player and most expensive in whole world...doesnt work if u arent playin acc to teams strength...xavi assisted 14 times in whole liga compared to 19 to scholes in epl...so scholes proved to b better conductor than ur xavi...see thats what i am tellin u...u have only pt that barca beat manu...unrelated to our topic of debate or discussion...locker room presenters feel this debated topic as a joke...but can b very vital if u take it seriously...
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: manu
by varunkulkarni on Jun 05, 2011 05:06 PM
why du u wana compare all leagues wid epl...so if like that take japneses futball,american futball,indian futball...doesnt make sense..dont generalize everything...right now issue is abt manu barca epl and laliga...keep ur views only on these teams and their respective pools...primeira liga is kinda la liga only...porto 84,benfica 63..do not compare to epl...its way to behind...seria a might be compared to epl coz thats also tough...right now only epl and liga should b considered for our discussion...i have given u all stats abt teams and induvidual records in epl and liga plus points table anaysis,still u are like liga is tougher,prove it by proof...abt argentina,they were favourites to win the wc...i will names some players like pastore,messi,macherano,higuain,palermo,veron,rodriguez,milito,aguero...all these players play for either la liga or seria...acc to u all these players are of very high quality...and say better than epl...now u are sayin argentina is a JOKE...that means acc to u if they play good they are heroes for u and whn they lost at wc they became bunch of jokers...tell me what u wanna prove...what ever u have told it has actualy supported my comment...i said top players in liga and seria have good individual record..whn comes to team performance they suck very badly..see my earlier comment..ur messi scores in liga just coz good passin from others..he also sucked at wc..0 goals..ultimately barca has all top players,wid poor poolteams,they play better and win
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: manu
by Yakoub Khan on Jun 04, 2011 02:08 AM
See, if u see an average game in La Liga or Serie A,or the Portugese, Dutch, Brzilian or Argentine leagues or cups and compare the play and the players with an average EPL game, you will see noticeable differences in the techniques, tactics and style and flow of play. Secondly, take the Champions League out of the equation for a moment and talk of the Europa League, Non English (especially Iberian and Italian) sides have been dominating it for years. While most EPL sides say it is a pointless tournament, considering the exposure and prize money involved, the argument does not hold much water. As far as the Nike locker room discussions are concerned, they are a bunch of Anglophiles who cannot digest Pele, Zidane, Maradona, Gavaskar or Malcom Marshall dominating any English sport. Lastly, on Argentina, well, the team is a joke. It is the opposite of MU. In MU, the whole is gr8r than the sum of its parts, in Argentina's National team, it is the opposite.
Re: Re: Re: manu
by Yakoub Khan on May 29, 2011 05:01 PM
Point 1: Barca beat Arsenal 2 years in a row. Point 2: They beat MU 2 times in 3 years. Point 3: They won easily. Finally: I sympathise with the condition of all MU fans. Please do not hate Barca, they tried their best to not make it a cricket score! Thank You and have a nice day!
Re: Re: Re: Re: manu
by varunkulkarni on May 30, 2011 03:43 PM
so if u wanna discuss statistics check this out...ronaldinho when in barca played 145 scored 80 compared to milans 76 matches and 20 goals...pastore dont know whu fuc is he scored 23 in whole career...fabregas when came in aresnal 212 matches and 35 goals...thatswhy i told epl is tough to play...forlan when he was in manu played 63 scored 10 and villareal played 105 and scored 54 check ratio...mainly cristiano ronaldo wen in mnau played 196 and scored 84 and real madrid played 63 and scored 67 till date...so now if u see,ronaldo being highest scorer in la liga,if ur messi comes in epl what would he du,mind u both messi and ronaldo were in top form this time...now u can only comepare for urself and decide what is epl and la liga...u named all famous players in la liga and seria a etc...all have become top class by scoring goals easily...no famous are ready to come in epl coz not confident enough that they will stand to their reputation
Re: Re: Re: Re: manu
by varunkulkarni on May 30, 2011 03:12 PM
r u nuts...the names that u have mentioned are top class players indivdually...if all la liga teams are that gud as u said then why 25 pts behind barca and 19 behind real madrid...forlan was in manu first....sneijder comin in this june transfer in manu...lets discuss abt barca and manu,la liga and epl,epl is very competitive compared to la liga...barca has gotta no balls to come epl and use their skill...ex fabregas...check out how many he scored in epl...barca secret is gettin all famous players,play against weak teams,thats all they have been doing...dont knwo how barca players get job satisfaction...try to live present...many things have happened in past apart from what u have jjust mentioned...we will return next yr...long live manu
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: manu
by Yakoub Khan on May 31, 2011 12:49 AM
Sir, If MU and Arsenal, the two teams who have won over 16 of the last 21 EPL titles are thrashed by Barca every year, the other EPL teams should be even easier to beat for Barca. I fully respect you, MU and the EPL. I also appreciate you being dazed after your Wembley disaster. I shall not be ungentlemanly to take this discussion forward with a suffering soul, my morals do not allow that. Perhaps your trauma is comparable to those supporters whose teams were bulldozed by the great West Indies team of the 70's and 80's or the Brazilian teams past and present and of course by Barca. I am sure that MU will win the EPL next year and, with technically good players coming in and some practice and lesser glam sessions, they should be able to perform better. Good Night Sir.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: manu
by varunkulkarni on May 31, 2011 02:31 PM
see u mentioned the great names of la liga and seria a...detailed statistics i gave u abt same players which denote la liga is very easy to play for barca and real madrid...what i told was being discussed in futball locker room programme...u just came wid some shit conclusion w/o any backup for it...as i did giving u stats...mind u started wid it...ofcourse manu and aresnal won 16 of 21 epl titles...no doubt barca won against manu and arsnal...i agree barca played better tha manu ON THAT DAY...but u see they play only 4 to 5 matches against epl teams in champions league...obviously they are in top form that time as they get good practise against weaker teams as they play la liga also simultaneously...if barca come in epl they have to play wid tougher teams compartively with laliga...and that too 38 of them...obviously the coordination that they have right now wont b there whn playing aginst epl teams for 38 continous matches...this is proven bu the stats that i provided...dont keep hammering on one pt that manu lost...i know they did...i am into technical stuff...the same pt that v are discussing is being discussed by experts...i also hope barca and spanish players have balls to come epl and perform over there...know it wont happen...dude whats dazed,morals,suffering souls...why u take everuthing emotionally...wembley is history...one advice dude dont come to direct conclusion...have some backup for it...tc
Man Utd had a good start but failed to cash on to that. It was the worst Sir Alex might have wanted to see. Man Utd were so outplayed by Barca that Alex himself was in praise of Barca the way they passed.
Messi is undoubtedly the priceless possession Barca had. Adding to that Man Utd lost in Wembly, the home of English soccer. Hope Man Utd can bounce back,
Re: Outplayed
by Yakoub Khan on May 29, 2011 01:08 PM
Sir, With respect, I beg to state that the same was said after their mauling in Rome, two years back. However, SAF was naive tactically, his midfield was overrun at will and, if you read my post on the match statistics shown above, you shall see why Barca is Barca, inspite of Messi having a mediocre day by his standards.
