Re: @Aftab
by saket ranjan on May 25, 2011 07:52 PM
Even an Arsenal fan would agree to everything written there. But then, Roman Abramovich is far more demanding and ambitious than Arsenal management. Carlo's gonna get his chance again, just like Mourinho 'coz everyone knows how good they are.
He is a great player.He has shone while playing for Barcelona only. He has not succeeded in national colours. I just wish to see him in other team or league like EPL. Because one of his contemporary Mr. Cristiano Ronaldo has excelled for Sporting Lisbon (Portuguese league) for Man U (EPL) as well as Real Madrid (La liga. Also he is playing very well for his country (Portugal) also. By comparing him I am not belittling Messi. He is currently the best in the world and plays a far superior game than Ron. But Barcelona has got other world class players like Iniesta, Xavi etc. May be they contribute to his success. So I just want to see whether he excels in other places so as to cement his place as a modern world great.
Re: My selfish wish
by aftab alam on May 25, 2011 04:09 PM
What a great points in such diplomatic way you said, with no doubt he is fantastic infront of goal, but lot & lots of credit goes to his mates as well, ho no need to go to another league, he just have to start eprforming for his nation. The still difference between him and legend like Pele/Maradona/Zidane is, they use to change the game by there own by lifting the moral of team up by there presence, he has some magical talent but still have to prove before standing along with Maradona/Pele.
Re: My selfish wish
by hariharan s on May 25, 2011 04:12 PM
Joel Messi had a weak midfield,terrible defense and a clown as a coach(Read my comments below)..most of them betted that Argentina wont go beyond group stage..still they came till QF..bcos other than Heinze header in d 1st match..all d goals scored by argentina had his assist...
whereas Portugal had a good defence,,their midfield had a few good players liek Danny,Meireles,Deco..still Ronaldo scored or assisted in only d Korea match,,other than that ..he was totallty invisible in d field...
Remember,Messi maynot have scored a goal,but he was one of d 10 nominees for the golden ball..
Re: Re: My selfish wish
by aftab alam on May 25, 2011 04:18 PM
Ahahahhaha, what a justification. First we are here talking about Messi not Ronaldo, Ronaldo failure is not gonna make Messi an great. 2nd, as mentioned by u, bcoz at Barca he hi having better mid-field shows he need asistance as well. * His comments clearly says he is best at moment so nom point comparing him with Ronaldo, he himself is one of great of games, his comments is more of confirmation from diffrnt angle rather dan doubting Lionel.
Re: Re: Re: My selfish wish
by hariharan s on May 25, 2011 05:18 PM
Aftab..Messi in Argentina is like Sachin in Indian setup of 1990s...though Cricket is different from football..I can make such a comparison.. Sachin took d mediocre indian team to semis of 96,and they rewarded him by collapsing after he set d match by scorin 50... Similarly,Messi set up all d goals except one to take Argentina to QF..but their mediocre defense with donkeys like Demichells,Ottamendi allowed d germans to run through...
Just like blaming Sachin's performance for India's loss looks absurd..questioning messi's national team record is equally so...
Also every forward needs assistance from midfield...even Ronaldo(Fenomeno) will looks like a terrible player if he plays with a mediocre midfield...Hope u understand that football cannot be won by a single man with 10 duds as players..
Re: Re: Re: Re: My selfish wish
by aftab alam on May 25, 2011 06:41 PM
Again u misunderstood me my dear frnd,. Let me put it this way for start, Messi is the best right now on planet, but there are qusetion marks on his versatile about y he is nt playing as well as he play for Ctalans while playing 4 country. Every greats have to proof time and again about his supremacy at different different scenario, similar like Sachin who is doing it for 20 yrs regularly and Federar/Nadal from last 7-10 yrs.
Re: Re: Re: My selfish wish
by hariharan s on May 25, 2011 05:18 PM
Aftab..Messi in Argentina is like Sachin in Indian setup of 1990s...though Cricket is different from football..I can make such a comparison.. Sachin took d mediocre indian team to semis of 96,and they rewarded him by collapsing after he set d match by scorin 50... Similarly,Messi set up all d goals except one to take Argentina to QF..but their mediocre defense with donkeys like Demichells,Ottamendi allowed d germans to run through...
Just like blaming Sachin's performance for India's loss looks absurd..questioning messi's national team record is equally so...
Also every forward needs assistance from midfield...even Ronaldo(Fenomeno) will looks like a terrible player if he plays with a mediocre midfield...Hope u understand that football cannot be won by a single man with 10 duds as players..
Re: Re: Re: My selfish wish
by abcl on May 25, 2011 06:18 PM
messi,itself is a midfield player,what do you want? iniesta,xavi in real madrid team to make him perform or do you want to say that present line up of real madrid midfield is novice...think before you open your mouth
Re: Re: Re: Re: My selfish wish
by hariharan s on May 25, 2011 06:29 PM
Maybe YOU shd think or rather read what others have writtenbefore typing
Messi is a forward who plays d role of a winger/striker...He's not a midfielder..
and when I mentioned Fenomeno next to ronaldo,I'm talking abt Brazilian Ronaldo,who is widely regarded one of d best striker ever born...who scored 43 goals in a single season for Barcelona..who has scored most number of goals in WCs....who has played with in best european clubs like d both milans,barca and Real madrid....who won FIFA WPOY 3 times..
Perhaps u shd knw that there is another Ronaldo too...other than Cristiano Ronaldo...
Could u read what i wrote slowly and clearly again before commenting
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: My selfish wish
by sukhdev sangha on May 25, 2011 07:11 PM
@abcl - Messi a midfielder..lol. he is a unorthodox no9 who attacks from wing to create holes in defense, not a midfielder!! @ H - I wont differ to much of ur arguments, but will say messi cant be considered best of all time, but def best of current era.. agreed that if ur defense is bad u cant blame it on messi...but maradonna had single handedly won them in Mexico86 WC. He was so inpirational, he lit everyone around him. He did the same when he was with Napoli(half-decent team) and won titles with them. Also if u follow la liga u will notice, messi hasnt scored much when xavi & Ineista are not in the team. But still i rate him the best player of the current crop.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: My selfish wish
by hariharan s on May 25, 2011 07:45 PM
@sukhdev agreed..Messi has to play atleast 10 more yrs to prove himself as d best..
Also,messi is a soft guy unlike maradona..maradona was both a genius at play and a leader at field...he can inspire other teammates to play well...
comparing messi and maradona in terms of leadership is like comparing lampard and Gerrard... Both are similar in talent..infact,Lamps is better player than Gerrard,look at his stats...But Lamps complement a team like chelsea,so is giggs for Man Utd...
But Gerrard leads as an example,plays optimistically when d chips are down and makes others play well...He kept d mediocre liverpool in top 4 for nearly 5 yrs...So was Eric cantona for Man Utd
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: My selfish wish
by sukhdev sangha on May 25, 2011 07:12 PM
@abcl - Messi a midfielder..lol. he is a unorthodox no9 who attacks from wing to create holes in defense, not a midfielder!! @ H - I wont differ to much of ur arguments, but will say messi cant be considered best of all time, but def best of current era.. agreed that if ur defense is bad u cant blame it on messi...but maradonna had single handedly won them in Mexico86 WC. He was so inpirational, he lit everyone around him. He did the same when he was with Napoli(half-decent team) and won titles with them. Also if u follow la liga u will notice, messi hasnt scored much when xavi & Ineista are not in the team. But still i rate him the best player of the current crop.
Re: Re: messi is the best
by Randeep on May 25, 2011 03:40 PM
Apart from the genius he is off course he is a ethical footballer, you will struggle to see him play foul on the field or challenge any opponent or goal keeper unlawfully...pure football personified
there is no doubt that messi is the most attractive player to watch and is considered to be one of the best, despite him achieving so much for his club, he still remains a mystery why he cannot perform whilst playing for argentina, one cannot explain this fact, he has very good company when he plays for the national team, it is exactly opp of other greats like maradonna, pele, cryuff who scored for national as well as the club. though , barca may be favourites i still will go for Man U to win the champions league due to the depth in the squad and trust the wily scott to plan this final. one thing is sure we will get to see the best football being played in the world on may 28th.
Re: messi
by aftab alam on May 25, 2011 03:27 PM
No rocket science needed to undstnd it. He dint get the support of Iniesta/Xavi and others while playing for Argentina, he is one of all time great when it comes to infront of goal.
Re: messi
by Randeep on May 25, 2011 03:42 PM
Agree on most parts in your paragraph apart from ManU winning on 28th...the game will be over in first half with Barca on top 2-0 half time...you bet
Re: Re: messi
by aftab alam on May 25, 2011 04:20 PM
Ahahahahhah, Catalans are favrt, but dont count Devils out, they may comes up triumph, remember, they r having the best tactician with them.
Re: messi
by hariharan s on May 25, 2011 03:38 PM
Blame d clown Maradona's argentina team setup..During WC2000,their midfield consisted of mascharano,who is CDM with Maria and Maxi on either sides..Maria and Maxi are actually wingers...So there was no creative midfielder anchoring the play...So Messi had to drop back to continue d ball flow add to the fact that Argentina had just 1 good defender in Heinze...rest of them were average at best... The same team could hve been deadly ahd Cambiasso and Zanetti been in d team....
In fact,Messi frustrated d WC winning spanish defence in a recent friendly... Messi is doin his role well..he needsa bit of support too..
Messi's current situation in argentina is similar to Sachin in 1990s..a single man cannot win a worldcup
What separates Messi from other greats in football is his humbleness and selfless team play... Not only does he score a lot..he provides a lot of assists to his teammates....