Congratulations to Roger Federer on surpassing and surprising himself by beating Nadal in the final of the year-ending ATP Finals tournament. The match was special from two angles: 1. Nadal was surprised by Federer's consistency on the backhand, and seemed to have no contingency plan to counter Federer's highly effective backhand onslaught. Federer seems to have improved his backhand play. 2. Contrary to some of the previous meetings between the two, it was Federer who seemed to be playing to a plan, and Nadal seemed lost. Federer's plan was to keep the rallies short and go for the kill at the first opportunity. On this particular surface, it worked very well. The strategy may not be too easy to implement on other surfaces like Clay or Grass. Though Federer did show some generosity by playing a horrible service game in the second set that virtually gifted the set to Nadal, Nadal seemed jaded and off-colour in the third set, and was unable to take the advantage of the momentum. He himself said it was not fatigue, and he must be right. Who can forget the two five-setters he played back to back to win his first Australian Open Crown in 2009? It was not fatigue, but it was something. Usually Nadal is able to take advantage of a much smaller opportunity, like he did against Murray in the semi-final, but that was not to be in this match. Congratulations once again to Roger. Congratulations also to Anurag Rathore, V Srinivasan, Kareem and bango tango. See you all at Australian Op
Re: Re: Well done Federer!
by aishwarya patil on Dec 03, 2010 09:46 AM
What language is this? You need not elaborate your inability to to think. Reading a post like this makes me wonder if you are male!
For once, two things happened in a Rafa vs. Roger match .. things that can be considered rarities.
1. Roger was thinking very clear while Rafa was going to through motions for most part of the match. I honestly think he was lucky to win the second set. 2. Federer's backhand, which is usually Nadal's bread and butter, worked well.
Anyways, Roger played better than Rafa, served beautifully and deserved this win. So atleast there is one place where he can still hold his head high .. Indoor Hard Courts.
Re: Rarities !!!
by Samarjeet Satapathy on Nov 30, 2010 12:42 AM
@ this O2 arena, the ball bounces upto the torso level , nearly 30 cm less than clay or grass courts...so Federer was able whip the BH shots...in other surfaces,the ball bounces upto the shoulder height...with Federer playing one handed BH shots, he wont be able to whip those fast BH's...thats y he only makes a sliced BH shot which becomes bread n butter for other guys...
First of all CONGRATS to God of tennis for yet another landmark... the way he played through out the whole week was incredible. I would like to mark a few points of attraction : 1) After a long period of say 3 years, Federer was at his fluent best. He has won many GS and Masters in btw, but very rare saw him this much daring. 2) In this last week, he defeated each of the top players very easily, who had been troubling him a lot in last couple of years. 3) I always thougt, and now I am sure, that in indoor tournaments (without the wind distracting him), he is still next to unstoppable.
HAHAHA...A world tour is more difficult than a GS!!I knew my clone was a pseudoexpert without even half a functioning brain,but this takes the cake!Well,I guess that's all that's left for Fedex fans to say now.Enjoy the moment guys...it's too few and too far in between these days.
Re: my clone
by Anurag Rathore on Nov 29, 2010 10:46 AM
Your knowledge is obvious to us. Because for you Federer can't beat Nadal while he is leading head to head with Nadal on each surface except clay.
Re: Re: my clone
by Rohit Madan on Nov 29, 2010 01:06 PM
on clay there is not contest left...10-2...and on hard it was equal 3-3 before this match...and on grass it is fedrr leading 2-1...but u see nadal has won GS on grass and hard by beating fdrr but fdrr is yet to beat rafa a best of 5 set match on clay...fdrr is a limited plyr of grass and hard...he cant beat rafa on clay...bt rafa has btn him grass (the epic 2008 final of wimbledon) and aus open final after which fdrr cried like baby....poor fdrr...!!
Re: Re: Re: my clone
by sandeep singh on Nov 29, 2010 01:51 PM
how many finals nadal reach in hard court & grass. where at one time fed was reaching every final in clay. So for h2h, nadal first reach at a level where he reach every final in hard court & grass court. for ur kind knowledge, nadal grass court season 2010- 1 win & another he could not reach semi. In hard court , 2 final & 1 lost. nadal bt fedrer in grass court & hard court because fed was in final. on other hand , when hater like u came together, they set a target, for fed to be GOAT , he need to win atleast one french open, he won it in 2009. now u dont have anything, just h2h--crying like a baby.
Re: Re: Re: Re: my clone
by pusarla kumar on Nov 29, 2010 11:03 PM
Beating Nadal on Grass and Hard Court is not a gr8 thing i feel.., Becuase it is not his strength. Now if federer Beat Nadal on Clay Convincingly then i guess he can be termed as gr8 and having Super technique .., But Atleast nadal is giving a gr8 compitition to Fedex on each and every Court .., and having Success rate of atleast 40%.., where as it not the case with Fedex.., :) You can find more number of Players who won 3 Wimbeldon or other hard court GS.., where as you will find very few who won 3 French Opens .., Now that is truth .., So playing on fast courts is a common thing .., In tennis playing on slow courts need lot of strength and technique.., Saying that i am not denying any bodies gr8ness .., Both are legends in their own Departments
Re: Re: Re: my clone
by thangaraj V on Nov 29, 2010 10:46 PM
Agreed Nadal has beaten federer in hard court and grass.But how many grandslam finals he has reached in hard and grass ..one us open final ,one aus open final,one Year end masters final in his life time..that too he was no 2 for 5 years and no 1 for almost a year..He was beaten by every tom dick and harry..This shows his level.. if you take federer he has reached finals in allmost all grandslams except 1 clay,1 wimbeldon,1 us open(all this year) and 1 aus open(2008)..And that he lost to nadal because of his style of play suits nadal style..
If nadal wants to be called greatest ,he should atleast try and reach 2 or 3 more finals in every slam(forget about wining)
Re: Re: Re: Re: my clone
by pusarla kumar on Nov 29, 2010 11:09 PM
At the age of 24 Federer did not even achived what Nadal Achieved. So Don't just blash .., Just Chill .., No Boday denies FedEx gr8ness.., But lets wait till both player hang on their racquets before discussing all these.., Lets enjoy tennis till they play .., Let the rivalry continue with good sprit ..,
Re: Re: my clone
by Anuraug Rathor on Nov 29, 2010 02:27 PM
FOr all your hype about knowledge,you dont even know the head to head right.Get your facts right then we'll talk,dumbass.
Re: Re: Re: my clone
by Anurag Rathore on Nov 29, 2010 03:27 PM
So better you tell me what is head to head dumbo. As far as I know Federer is leading on all sufaces except clay.
Re: Re: Re: Re: my clone
by pusarla kumar on Nov 29, 2010 10:57 PM
Beating Nadal on Grass and Hard Court is not a gr8 thing i feel.., Becuase it is not his strength. Now if federer Beat Nadal on Clay Convincingly then i guess he can be termed as gr8 and having Super technique .., But Atleast nadal is giving a gr8 compitition to Fedex on each and every Court .., and having Success rate of atleast 40%.., where as it not the case with Fedex.., :) You can find more number of Players who won 3 Wimbeldon or other hard court GS.., where you will find very few who won 3 French Opens .., Now that is truth .., So playing on fast courts is a common thing .., In tennis playing in slow couts needs lot of strength and technique.., Saying that i am not denying any bodies gr8ness .., Both are legends in their own Departments
I always knew roger will win... he has been in good form for the past two or three months and the hard court surface at the atp world tour means he has the edge over nadal.... nadal had been lucky against murray, then federer is not going to let him slip away. this win takes federer's tally to five atp world tour titles and nadal is yet to prove his worth at this event.
Re: Atp world tour final
by Arijit Guha on Nov 29, 2010 10:32 AM
Point well taken. But my dear I have been following tennis since 1972. World tour started only a few years back. I have followed the achievements of various tennis legends who have won six or more GS tournaments, like John Newcombe, Ken Rosewall, Stan Smith, Connors, Borg, McNroe, Wilander, Edberg, Becker, Agassi, Sampras, Lendl or Jim Courier. If you follow the great seventies, eighties and nineties, you will see that at all the point of time, atleast four legends were competing with each other. There were great tennis rivalries. But the advantage of Federrer was the fact that during the first five years of his dominance there was not a single legendary player excluding him. If you look at his statistics, you will find that he has won most of his GS titles by defeating various players at various times. Only once did he defeat a legend named Agassi at the 2003 US open when Agassi was 35 years old and that too in five sets. Only in the later half of his career Nadal came into limelight and everybody knows his record against Nadal. It is 8 - 14 all time and 2 - 5 in GS tournament. Whereas Nadal in his lifetime has one nine Grand Slam out of which five have come by defeating Federrer who is definitely a legend. Since age is in Nadal's favor, he will break all records. But, yes he definitely need not prove any further that he is the greatest in the open era beating Borg, Sampras and Federrer.
You have not seen Agassi. Now-a-days, serve & Volley game has disappeared
Re: Re: Atp world tour final
by sandeep singh on Nov 29, 2010 02:28 PM
mr guha i am following the tenniss since 1990, jim courier, edberg, aggasi & boris are good player, with lots of limitation. after pete came in scenario- when pete won first wim-jim was gone. boris & aggssi won some gs in b/w--but it is all pete. from 1993 to 1998, ur great selected- becker 1 slam & aggasi 2 slam,edberg & jim -0. nadal won 9 gs- 5 were against fed & fed won 16 - 2 against nadal. where was nadal in 14 gs finals-sleeping. actually you might be a good at stats, but to enjoy -please watch tennis. for record to be broken by nadal: 6 wim,5 us,4 aus, 5 year end, more than 200 conseq week as no 1, 22 cons semi gs--------- one more at age 29 he can beat no 1 player. GOAT competitor- Gonzales- 8 years no 1 laver- 7 years no 1 2 calender slam pete- 285 week no 1 6 years no 1 fed- 16 slam 284 week no 1 6 years no 1 your nadal - 9 slams 1 olympic 2 years no no body look what is h2h for gonzales, pete, laver-but nadal need h2h because what ever he do , he cannot be no 1 for 8 years becuse at fed peek, nadal was no 2. nadal atleast need 2 -3 good yrs to become goat.
Re: Re: Atp world tour final
by sandeep singh on Nov 29, 2010 02:26 PM
mr guha i am following the tenniss since 1990, jim courier, edberg, aggasi & boris are good player, with lots of limitation. after pete came in scenario- when pete won first wim-jim was gone. boris & aggssi won some gs in b/w--but it is all pete. from 1993 to 1998, ur great selected- becker 1 slam & aggasi 2 slam,edberg & jim -0. nadal won 9 gs- 5 were against fed & fed won 16 - 2 against nadal. where was nadal in 14 gs finals-sleeping. actually you might be a good at stats, but to enjoy -please watch tennis. for record to be broken by nadal: 6 wim,5 us,4 aus, 5 year end, more than 200 conseq week as no 1, 22 cons semi gs--------- one more at age 29 he can beat no 1 player. GOAT competitor- Gonzales- 8 years no 1 laver- 7 years no 1 2 calender slam pete- 285 week no 1 6 years no 1 fed- 16 slam 284 week no 1 6 years no 1 your nadal - 9 slams 1 olympic 2 years no no body look what is h2h for gonzales, pete, laver-but nadal need h2h because what ever he do , he cannot be no 1 for 8 years becuse at fed peek, nadal was no 2. nadal atleast need 2 -3 good yrs to become goat.
Re: Re: Atp world tour final
by sandeep singh on Nov 29, 2010 02:27 PM
mr guha i am following the tenniss since 1990, jim courier, edberg, aggasi & boris are good player, with lots of limitation. after pete came in scenario- when pete won first wim-jim was gone. boris & aggssi won some gs in b/w--but it is all pete. from 1993 to 1998, ur great selected- becker 1 slam & aggasi 2 slam,edberg & jim -0. nadal won 9 gs- 5 were against fed & fed won 16 - 2 against nadal. where was nadal in 14 gs finals-sleeping. actually you might be a good at stats, but to enjoy -please watch tennis. for record to be broken by nadal: 6 wim,5 us,4 aus, 5 year end, more than 200 conseq week as no 1, 22 cons semi gs--------- one more at age 29 he can beat no 1 player. GOAT competitor- Gonzales- 8 years no 1 laver- 7 years no 1 2 calender slam pete- 285 week no 1 6 years no 1 fed- 16 slam 284 week no 1 6 years no 1 your nadal - 9 slams 1 olympic 2 years no no body look what is h2h for gonzales, pete, laver-but nadal need h2h because what ever he do , he cannot be no 1 for 8 years becuse at fed peek, nadal was no 2. nadal atleast need 2 -3 good yrs to become goat.
Re: Re: Atp world tour final
by Srini Krish on Nov 29, 2010 12:08 PM
Yeah You are right..But it can also be taken that Fedex dominated this perriod.. There was Roddick.. Hewit..whose career was completely ruined by Fedex. When compared to other legends..I feel Fedex is much more dominant.. Even at 29..if we can beat Nadal, who is at his prime 24..it is sure one of the very good victories.
There is no doubt Nadal has been always better than Federer.. But check this Stat..If I am right Nadal won French Open at the age of 18/19..Now he is 24.So after winning first GS he is there for 5-6 yrs won 9 GS, out of which 5 are French Open.
Fedex Won his First GS at 24..Now he is 29.. if I am right won 14 GS or 15.. and appeared in 23 GS finals consecutively... Just look at the consistency..physical fitness...
Re: Re: Re: Atp world tour final
by Anand Vijayan on Nov 29, 2010 06:33 PM
Fed won his first slam at 21yrs in 2003 just a month or so of his 22nd birthday.
Re: Re: Re: Atp world tour final
by sandeep singh on Nov 29, 2010 02:32 PM
mr guha i am following the tenniss since 1990, jim courier, edberg, aggasi & boris are good player, with lots of limitation. after pete came in scenario- when pete won first wim-jim was gone. boris & aggssi won some gs in b/w--but it is all pete. from 1993 to 1998, ur great selected- becker 1 slam & aggasi 2 slam,edberg & jim -0. nadal won 9 gs- 5 were against fed & fed won 16 - 2 against nadal. where was nadal in 14 gs finals-sleeping. actually you might be a good at stats, but to enjoy -please watch tennis. for record to be broken by nadal: 6 wim,5 us,4 aus, 5 year end, more than 200 conseq week as no 1, 22 cons semi gs--------- one more at age 29 he can beat no 1 player. GOAT competitor- Gonzales- 8 years no 1 laver- 7 years no 1 2 calender slam pete- 285 week no 1 6 years no 1 fed- 16 slam 284 week no 1 6 years no 1 your nadal - 9 slams 1 olympic 2 years no no body look what is h2h for gonzales, pete, laver-but nadal need h2h because what ever he do , he cannot be no 1 for 8 years becuse at fed peek, nadal was no 2. nadal atleast need 2 -3 good yrs to become goat.
Re: Re: Atp world tour final
by sandeep singh on Nov 29, 2010 02:29 PM
mr guha i am following the tenniss since 1990, jim courier, edberg, aggasi & boris are good player, with lots of limitation. after pete came in scenario- when pete won first wim-jim was gone. boris & aggssi won some gs in b/w--but it is all pete. from 1993 to 1998, ur great selected- becker 1 slam & aggasi 2 slam,edberg & jim -0. nadal won 9 gs- 5 were against fed & fed won 16 - 2 against nadal. where was nadal in 14 gs finals-sleeping. actually you might be a good at stats, but to enjoy -please watch tennis. for record to be broken by nadal: 6 wim,5 us,4 aus, 5 year end, more than 200 conseq week as no 1, 22 cons semi gs--------- one more at age 29 he can beat no 1 player. GOAT competitor- Gonzales- 8 years no 1 laver- 7 years no 1 2 calender slam pete- 285 week no 1 6 years no 1 fed- 16 slam 284 week no 1 6 years no 1 your nadal - 9 slams 1 olympic 2 years no no body look what is h2h for gonzales, pete, laver-but nadal need h2h because what ever he do , he cannot be no 1 for 8 years becuse at fed peek, nadal was no 2. nadal atleast need 2 -3 good yrs to become goat.
Re: Re: Atp world tour final
by sandeep singh on Nov 29, 2010 02:31 PM
mr guha i am following the tenniss since 1990, jim courier, edberg, aggasi & boris are good player, with lots of limitation. after pete came in scenario- when pete won first wim-jim was gone. boris & aggssi won some gs in b/w--but it is all pete. from 1993 to 1998, ur great selected- becker 1 slam & aggasi 2 slam,edberg & jim -0. nadal won 9 gs- 5 were against fed & fed won 16 - 2 against nadal. where was nadal in 14 gs finals-sleeping. actually you might be a good at stats, but to enjoy -please watch tennis. for record to be broken by nadal: 6 wim,5 us,4 aus, 5 year end, more than 200 conseq week as no 1, 22 cons semi gs--------- one more at age 29 he can beat no 1 player. GOAT competitor- Gonzales- 8 years no 1 laver- 7 years no 1 2 calender slam pete- 285 week no 1 6 years no 1 fed- 16 slam 284 week no 1 6 years no 1 your nadal - 9 slams 1 olympic 2 years no no body look what is h2h for gonzales, pete, laver-but nadal need h2h because what ever he do , he cannot be no 1 for 8 years becuse at fed peek, nadal was no 2. nadal atleast need 2 -3 good yrs to become goat.
Re: Re: Re: Atp world tour final
by pusarla kumar on Nov 30, 2010 03:44 AM
at the age of 24 Nadal Won 9 Slams where as Fed won only 6 .., Thats the difference
Winning a world tour is much difficult than winning a GS. Because in world tour you face top players in every match while in GS you have to face only 2 or 3 tough matches. Sampras won it 5 times shows how good he was and now Federer has won it 5 times. Federer is undisputed all time best.
Once again Nadal struggled against Federer on other than clay. Head to head can be changed if they will meet frequently on grass or hard or carpet.
I am worry about aishwarya patil. What will he say now? There was no injury to Nadal this time.
Re: World Tour........
by Haridasan pisharathparambil on Nov 29, 2010 03:34 PM
Appreciate Nadal atleast he has reached final beating top Hard court players. Though Nadal is a clay specialist he has won matches on Hard court and grass as well.
Re: World Tour........
by shakil on Nov 29, 2010 10:10 AM
GS is of 7 Rounds AND 5 Sets. World Tour is AT PAR with GS NOT ahead or difficult to win. Upsets are common in GS 2nd OR 3rd Round, All Big players have suffered early exit. This shows GS is ALSO equally difficult as World Tour is......
Re: Re: World Tour........
by Anurag Rathore on Nov 29, 2010 10:13 AM
5 setters means assurance that good player will win the match most often. 3 setters means more upsets.
Re: Re: Re: World Tour........
by shakil on Nov 29, 2010 10:20 AM
Federer, Sampras, Steffi,Martina all of them lost in 1st Round and even in qualifying, to fight 7 round 5 set is NO Joke. Besides this ,in GS once knocked out you can NOT come back !! In Round Robin ( World Tour ) you CAN . Deduce.... GS is AT PAR with world Tour
Re: World Tour........
by Anuraug Rathor on Nov 29, 2010 10:42 AM
HAHAHA...A world tour is more difficult than a GS!!I knew you were a pseudoexpert without even half a functioning brain,but this takes the cake!Well,I guess that's all that's left for Fedex fans to say now.Enjoy the moment guys...it's too few and too far in between these days.
Winning a world tour is much difficult than winning a GS. Because in world tour you face top players in every match while in GS you have to face only 2 or 3 tough matches. Sampras won it 5 times shows how good he was and now Federer has won it 5 times. Federer is undisputed all time best.
Once again Nadal struggled against Federer on other than clay. Head to head can be changed if they will meet frequently on grass or hard or carpet.
I am worry about aishwarya patil. What will he say now? There was no injury to Nadal this time.
Winning a world tour is much difficult than winning a GS. Because in world tour you face top players in every match while in GS you have to face only 2 or 3 tough matches. Sampras won it 5 times shows how good he was and now Federer has won it 5 times. Federer is undisputed all time best.
Once again Nadal struggled against Federer on other than clay. Head to head can be changed if they will meet frequently on grass or hard or carpet.
I am worry about aishwarya patil. What will he say now? There was no injury to Nadal this time.
Re: World Tour........
by Arijit Guha on Nov 29, 2010 10:29 AM
Point well taken. But my dear I have been following tennis since 1972. World tour started only a few years back. I have followed the achievements of various tennis legends who have won six or more GS tournaments, like John Newcombe, Ken Rosewall, Stan Smith, Connors, Borg, McNroe, Wilander, Edberg, Becker, Agassi, Sampras, Lendl or Jim Courier. If you follow the great seventies, eighties and nineties, you will see that at all the point of time, atleast four legends were competing with each other. There were great tennis rivalries. But the advantage of Federrer was the fact that during the first five years of his dominance there was not a single legendary player excluding him. If you look at his statistics, you will find that he has won most of his GS titles by defeating various players at various times. Only once did he defeat a legend named Agassi at the 2003 US open when Agassi was 35 years old and that too in five sets. Only in the later half of his career Nadal came into limelight and everybody knows his record against Nadal. It is 8 - 14 all time and 2 - 5 in GS tournament. Whereas Nadal in his lifetime has one nine Grand Slam out of which five have come by defeating Federrer who is definitely a legend. Since age is in Nadal's favor, he will break all records. But, yes he definitely need not prove any further that he is the greatest in the open era beating Borg, Sampras and Federrer.
You have not seen Agassi. Now-a-days, serve & Volley game has disappeared
Re: World Tour........
by Arijit Guha on Nov 29, 2010 10:29 AM
Point well taken. But my dear I have been following tennis since 1972. World tour started only a few years back. I have followed the achievements of various tennis legends who have won six or more GS tournaments, like John Newcombe, Ken Rosewall, Stan Smith, Connors, Borg, McNroe, Wilander, Edberg, Becker, Agassi, Sampras, Lendl or Jim Courier. If you follow the great seventies, eighties and nineties, you will see that at all the point of time, atleast four legends were competing with each other. There were great tennis rivalries. But the advantage of Federrer was the fact that during the first five years of his dominance there was not a single legendary player excluding him. If you look at his statistics, you will find that he has won most of his GS titles by defeating various players at various times. Only once did he defeat a legend named Agassi at the 2003 US open when Agassi was 35 years old and that too in five sets. Only in the later half of his career Nadal came into limelight and everybody knows his record against Nadal. It is 8 - 14 all time and 2 - 5 in GS tournament. Whereas Nadal in his lifetime has one nine Grand Slam out of which five have come by defeating Federrer who is definitely a legend. Since age is in Nadal's favor, he will break all records. But, yes he definitely need not prove any further that he is the greatest in the open era beating Borg, Sampras and Federrer.
You have not seen Agassi. Now-a-days, serve & Volley game has disappeared
Re: Re: World Tour........
by Kd Narang on Nov 29, 2010 10:39 AM
Mr. Guha.. there are good players Even in today's Era. It is simply that - in front of Federer, they look ordinary. Letan, Murray, Djoko,Safin, Nalbandian all are Talented players BUT Federer is Head and shoulder ahead of them except Nadal. If you see players from 70's and 80's on "You Tube" you will notice -they are equal to todays Murray and Djoko, Tsogna etc. Competition in Today's Tennis IS SAME as in 70's and 80's, BUT Federer and Nadal made it One sided.
