Nadal will be called a bigger play than Federer the day he wins 6 consecutive US Opens, 6 Consecutive Wimbledons and 4 Australian Open titles besides 5 world series finals. Till that happens, he will always be considered second best to Federer irrespective of his skewed H2H against him.
Re: Re: Nadal will be considered superior to Federer if
by Bitsavan on Aug 21, 2010 12:55 PM
It is of no relevance to you. But greatness in Tennis is decided by the wins and not skewed H2Hs. Remember.
Re: Re: Re: Nadal will be considered superior to Federer if
by gaygugga on Aug 21, 2010 12:58 PM
Exactly,it is decided by wins.Which is against your own argument about H2Hs.Make up your mind first before trying to argue a point.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Nadal will be considered superior to Federer if
by Bitsavan on Aug 21, 2010 01:01 PM
It is not H2Hs. If that is your point. Nadal is inferior to Davydenko. Will you accept that ??
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Nadal will be considered superior to Federer
by gaygugga on Aug 21, 2010 01:09 PM
I already made my opinion on H2Hs clear.Your the one with multiple vague arguments.Make up your mind first and then come debate.
Re: Nadal will be considered superior to Federer if
by Ishkaran Singh on Aug 21, 2010 01:43 PM
Good discussion guys and the analysis. I have the view point that as of today on the basis of form Nadal is better than Fedex. What will be important to know is that will Nadal be able to be as consistent as Fedrer was when he won 16 Grand Slams (I am sure he has atleast 2 more up his sleeve). And H-H analysis is not reflective who the better player is, Nadal is good but is he as consistent and focused as Fedex was (Amazing run of reaching all Semi finals from 2004-2010 French open, thats amazing). All I can say is when its head to head yes Nadal is better but who the better player is atleast I can say its fed Ex!!
Re: Re: Nadal will be considered superior to Federer if
by gaygugga on Aug 21, 2010 01:54 PM
I agree with you Ishkaran Singh.There are the morons around like Bitsavan and Prasad Dorku who are here only to abuse and talk rubbish,but it's always nice to ahve a decent debate with tennis fans.
The main reason for the lopsided H2H in favour of Nadal is only this. This guy doesn't give himself enough chances to meet Federer in his favourite surface - the hard courts. More often than not, he falls in the quarter finals or semi-finals and thereby deny himself the prospect of meeting Federer. If only the meetings have happened, the H2H would have surely weighed a lot in favour of Federer. While in Clay Courts, Federer is often more consistent to meet Nadal in the finals which is the reason for such a skewed H2H between them.
Re: The reason for the skewed H2H of Federer Vs Nadal
by gaygugga on Aug 21, 2010 12:51 PM
If you are so sure about 'what would have happened had Rafa and Fedex met more times on hard courts,blah blah blah'why dotn you tell us what would have happened if Bjorn Borg had never played tennis?If Boris Becker had never met Lendl in Wimbledon?If Pete Sampras had got injured at age 24 and never played again?Quit conjecture and talk relevent things.
Re: Re: The reason for the skewed H2H of Federer Vs Nadal
by Bitsavan on Aug 21, 2010 12:56 PM
Can you tell me why Nadal's record is so poor in hard courts that he cannot even reach the finals ? Tell me that and I will answer your point. He just get beaten by lower ranked players. Remember the whacking he got from Davydenko, soderling, Djokovic, Baghdatis, Ljubucic, Roddick etc. etc.
Re: Re: Re: The reason for the skewed H2H of Federer Vs Nadal
by gaygugga on Aug 21, 2010 01:00 PM
All these guys have thrashed Fedex too.Again a nonsensical argument.Berdych can be added to that list now.Nalbandian,,Murray...
Re: Re: Re: Re: The reason for the skewed H2H of Federer Vs Nadal
by Bitsavan on Aug 21, 2010 01:02 PM
What is Federer's age and Nadal ? Let Nadal cross 25 and then we will see how he plays young guys
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: The reason for the skewed H2H of Federer Vs N
by gaygugga on Aug 21, 2010 01:06 PM
If Masters Series is suddenly so important,I'm sure Grand Slams have some relevance too?
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: The reason for the skewed H2H of Federer Vs N
by Bitsavan on Aug 21, 2010 01:03 PM
In the Master series wins, Federer has a mixed record of both clay and hard court wins while Nadal has a lopsided win in clay courts.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: The reason for the skewed H2H of Federer Vs N
by gaygugga on Aug 21, 2010 01:08 PM
Exactly,lets see what happens in the future.I havent seen the future but you seem to have.Unlike you,I dont debate about things I dont know.So be my guest if you wanna speculate,which is all you've been doing here.
Re: The reason for the skewed H2H of Federer Vs Nadal
by ganesha Nayak on Aug 21, 2010 01:31 PM
i completely agree with you. Federer is a better al round player(considering his performance on various surfaces)
Re: Re: Again No Nadal - Roger Clash
by Rohith Nigam on Aug 21, 2010 11:35 AM
He lost to Baghdatis and you are dreaming about defeating federer. He should have lost in the third round itself but survived
Re: Re: Re: Again No Nadal - Roger Clash
by gaygugga on Aug 21, 2010 12:11 PM
Dreaming?With a 15-7 win record over Federer,it's Fedex who should be dreaming of ever beating Nadal!
Re: Re: Re: Re: Again No Nadal - Roger Clash
by Bitsavan on Aug 21, 2010 12:29 PM
By the way, it is not 15-7, it is only 14-7 and mind you 11 of those victories have come for Nadal against Federer on Clay which tells something about the skewed nature of this win record. Federer is ahead of Nadal on hard Courts as well as on Grass.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Again No Nadal - Roger Clash
by Bitsavan on Aug 21, 2010 12:32 PM
To put in Nadal's own words about his H2H with Federer and he being a better player by virtue of the H2H, Nadal's response was that the interviewer does not know about Tennis. As simple as that. Nadal knoweth but his followers doesn't. It is real pity.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Again No Nadal - Roger Clash
by gaygugga on Aug 21, 2010 12:37 PM
Wooooo,the Clay court debate again.Clay is part of the tennis season,like it or not.It's not Nadal's fault that Fedex comes a cropper on clay.And no,if you wanna correct others get your facts right first.Fedex leads only on grass,that too 2-1.It's 3-3 pn hard courts.Here's the records-All matches: Nadal 14–7 All finals: Nadal 12–5 Grand Slams: Nadal 6–2 Grand Slam finals: Nadal 5–2 Best of five sets: Nadal 8–3 Masters Cup: Federer 2–0 Masters Series: Nadal 7–3 Masters Series finals: Nadal 6–3 Now chew on that.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Again No Nadal - Roger Clash
by Bitsavan on Aug 21, 2010 12:41 PM
Most of the Masters series you mentioned were on Clay namely Montecarlo, Hamburg, Madrid etc. The grand slam record looks rather skewed because out of the 8 meetings Nadal and Federer had, 4 have been on Clay - Nadal's favourite surface. Moreover what is this debate about H2H. Do you know Nadal's H2H against Davydenko, it is 6-8 in favour of Davydenko and you know Davydenko's record against Federer it is 14-2 in favour of Federer. Do you mean to say Davydenko is inferior to Federer, but superior to Nadal by virtue of their H2H ?? Doesn't that look stupid ?
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Again No Nadal - Roger Clash
by gaygugga on Aug 21, 2010 12:47 PM
What's stupid is your argument,boy.I never even claimed that Rafa is a better player than Fedex.I only answered another moron who said Nadal shouldnt be 'dreaming' about beating Fedex and in that context I quoted the H2H.You took it as your divine duty to jump in uninvited and spout nonsense,to which I replied with solid statistics.So go figure.If you must argue-of the 8 GS meetins,where did the other 4 non clay meetings come?On Fedex's fav surface where he is no longer the favorite.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Again No Nadal - Roger Clash
by Bitsavan on Aug 21, 2010 12:52 PM
What is stupid ? It is simple. You do not know about Tennis which is decided by a few points here and there. Nadal's victory against Federer apart from French were at the Wimbledon in five long sets - the longest in history which he was fortunate to win and the Australian Open where too Federer had the upper hand only to give it back by his poor service which also went to five sets. The other two Wimbledon finals, Federer dislodged Nadal rather easily one in 4 and the other in 5. 6-2 in the fifth set. Remember in Tennis, it is the surface that matters and do you honestly think Nadal stands a chance against Federer when he cannot win against Bennateau and Baghdatis. Who is the poor guy, you or me ??
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Again No Nadal - Roger Clash
by gaygugga on Aug 21, 2010 12:57 PM
If tennis is decide by a 'few points here and there' I'm sure that also applied to Fedex or is it selective?So now we're into'Nadal won in 5 setters whereas Fedex won in 4 setters'kind of debates?LOL.Anyway,Nadal improved mroe on Fedex's favorite surfaces whereas Fedex is finding it tougher to win on Nadal's favorite surfaces.If your gonna quote'6-2 in the fifth set' kind of lopsided arguments, what about the 6-0 in the third set @the French final?
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Again No Nadal - Roger Clash
by Bitsavan on Aug 21, 2010 01:00 PM
Okay. Since you insist on H2H. Let me says this Nadal is superior to Federer but inferior to Davydenko since he gets whacked by him often. Ha Ha Ha.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Again No Nadal - Roger Clash
by Bitsavan on Aug 21, 2010 01:06 PM
So if it is not H2H, what is your point exactly ? You mad man and plain fool.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Again No Nadal - Roger Clash
by gaygugga on Aug 21, 2010 01:05 PM
Again,I didn't 'insist'on H2Hs.I didn't even address you till you jumped into the debate I had with someone else.Your argument is indeed absurd and the laugh's on you.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Again No Nadal - Roger Clash
by gaygugga on Aug 21, 2010 01:11 PM
So your down to abusing me,calling me mad and foolish?That's pretty much what most of Rediff's Fedex fan club does these days, as their hero isn't winning anything anymore.Go pound some sand it may relieve your frustration
