In attempting to potray Modi's history as wrong, Shekar Gupta has himself made a few blunders. 1965 was a victory in the sense that the aggressor was repulsed, and India had upper hand when ceasefire was signed. If Shekar calls 1965 a stalemate, then so was 1962, as both ended in a ceasefire. Further, Shekar has completely forgotten 1967, which was also a minor tactical victory for India. In most of these cases, the war seemed to have been stopped more at the insistence of the military powers US and Russia. It was abundantly clear that US and Russia were calling the shots in these wars, while the stage was set in subcontinent. To some extent one agrees with his assessment that an overdue share of the blame is attributed by the BJP to the congress. Things may not have been very different had BJP been ruling then..
Re: one wrong for another
by palanki narayana on May 14, 2018 04:49 PM
In 1962 the Chinese steadily moved forward and the ill equipped Indian troops had to retreat in the face of attack by superior numbers and weapons. The ceasefire was called at the time the Chinese chose.The Chinese retained the areas claimed to be their own (and continue to retain even now) but voluntarily vacated the areas not claimed by them. It is agreed by all historians that the 1965 war was a draw, with Pakistan having the first innings lead (in terms of material confiscated and territory held or defended). Pakistan celebrates their "victory" every year to this day. Zulfiquar Ali Bhutto rebelled against his boss Ayub Khan's decision to agree for a ceasefire called by UNSC. Ayub had to lock him up. It is wishful thinking that West Pakistan could be obliterated after Bangladesh was liberated. The super powers would not have allowed it. Finally, a word about Kashmir. When Hari Singh fled Srinagar to Jammu, the valley was defenceless for five full days, but Jinnah could not capitalise the situation as the British Commander of the Pakistan Army did not want to fight. What followed (the tribal invasion, the signing of instrument of accession, air attack by Indian army, birth of two Kashmirs) is a story of blunder after blunder, with consequences that haunt us even now.
Re: one wrong for another
by vinod jaiswal on May 14, 2018 05:00 PM
"1965 was a victory in the sense that the aggressor was repulsed, and India had upper hand when ceasefire was signed." This is your presumption/interpretation; may be right or may be wrong, depending on which side of the line you are sitting. The historical fact is that "it was a ceasefire" And Sir, Mr Shekhar Gupta is not attempting to portray any thing he is factually right. It is you that are miring yourself in knots.
Re: one wrong for another
by vinod jaiswal on May 14, 2018 05:01 PM
"1965 was a victory in the sense that the aggressor was repulsed, and India had upper hand when ceasefire was signed." This is your presumption/interpretation; may be right or may be wrong, depending on which side of the line you are sitting. The historical fact is that "it was a ceasefire" And Sir, Mr Shekhar Gupta is not attempting to portray any thing he is factually right. It is you that are miring yourself in knots.
In attempting to potray Modi's history as wrong, Shekar Gupta has himself made a few blunders. 1965 was a victory in the sense that the aggressor was repulsed, and India had upper hand when ceasefire was signed. If Shekar calls 1965 a stalemate, then so was 1962, as both ended in a ceasefire. Further, Shekar has completely forgotten 1967, which was also a minor tactical victory for India. In most of these cases, the war seemed to have been stopped more at the insistence of the military powers US and Russia. It was abundantly clear that US and Russia were calling the shots in these wars, while the stage was set in subcontinent. To some extent one agrees with his assessment that an overdue share of the blame is attributed by the BJP to the congress. Things may not have been very different had BJP been ruling then..
Re: one wrong for another
by P S SHAH on May 14, 2018 02:39 PM
None of the previous government never gave army a free hand in deciding how they have to fight war. Every time, the political leadership ruling the country ordered cease fire when pakistan was either in deep trouble or when they were occupying Indian territory. The main duties of leaders ruling the county was not to safeguard the interest of army, to reduce casualties of army jawans, but to rescue Pakistan from facing serious trouble and to allow them to grab territory they were occupying at the time of cease fire.
Re: Re: one wrong for another
by Satyajeet Singh Yadava on May 14, 2018 03:02 PM
Did Atalji gave the Army free hand to cross the LOC during Kargil?????
Re: Re: Re: one wrong for another
by P S SHAH on May 14, 2018 09:06 PM
Bhaiyaji, use your brain and read my statement carefully . I have said none of the previous governments which include all the governments. If you don’t understand this simple statement, better check your brain and eyesight.
Re: Re: Re: one wrong for another
by P S SHAH on May 14, 2018 09:06 PM
Bhaiyaji, use your brain and read my statement carefully . I have said none of the previous governments which include all the governments. If you don’t understand this simple statement, better check your brain and eyesight.
Re: Re: one wrong for another
by palanki narayana on May 14, 2018 04:57 PM
'Free hand' to any army is a myth in any democracy as the civilian/political leadership has to take all the decisions. It is said that war is too serious a matter to be left to the generals. It is the job of the generals to correctly brief the PM and cabinet about the military situation. It is the cabinet that has to take decisions weighing the military, diplomatic and long term consequences.
Re: Re: one wrong for another
by palanki narayana on May 14, 2018 04:57 PM
'Free hand' to any army is a myth in any democracy as the civilian/political leadership has to take all the decisions. It is said that war is too serious a matter to be left to the generals. It is the job of the generals to correctly brief the PM and cabinet about the military situation. It is the cabinet that has to take decisions weighing the military, diplomatic and long term consequences.
Re: one wrong for another
by P S SHAH on May 14, 2018 02:41 PM
None of the previous government never gave army a free hand in deciding how they have to fight war. Every time, the political leadership ruling the country ordered cease fire when pakistan was either in deep trouble or when they were occupying Indian territory. The main duties of leaders ruling the county was not to safeguard the interest of army, to reduce casualties of army jawans, but to rescue Pakistan from facing serious trouble and to allow them to grab territory they were occupying at the time of cease fire.
Re: Re: one wrong for another
by Satyajeet Singh Yadava on May 14, 2018 03:03 PM
Did Atalji gave the Army free hand to cross the LOC during Kargil?????
Re: Re: one wrong for another
by Satyajeet Singh Yadava on May 14, 2018 03:03 PM
Did Atalji gave the Army free hand to cross the LOC during Kargil?????
Re: Re: one wrong for another
by Satyajeet Singh Yadava on May 14, 2018 03:04 PM
Did Atalji gave the Army free hand to cross the LOC during Kargil?????
Re: Re: Re: one wrong for another
by vinod jaiswal on May 14, 2018 05:15 PM
Sir he wont know as he hardly reads. He listens and cheers and cheers and cheers his leader.
Re: Re: Re: one wrong for another
by P S SHAH on May 14, 2018 09:13 PM
Bhaiyaji, use your brain if you have. Read my comments carefully . I have written one of the previous government mean all previous governments. Better check your brain and eyesight at the earliest.
Re: Re: one wrong for another
by Satyajeet Singh Yadava on May 14, 2018 03:04 PM
Did Atalji gave the Army free hand to cross the LOC during Kargil?????
Re: Re: one wrong for another
by alok shah on May 14, 2018 03:59 PM
Mr. PS Shah, are you a military insider? Please don't pretend to be one. While it may be true to a fair extent that the current ruling dispensation might have given more freedom to our Armed Forces in dealing with the rogue enemy ranks, does it still distract from the fact often Modi ji is not all that careful with the facts at his command when it comes to deriding his political opponents.
Re: Re: Re: one wrong for another
by P S SHAH on May 14, 2018 09:16 PM
Alok Shah. Give some advice to the other politicians other than Modi also . I never pretend to be an expert like you pretend for yourself. Modi has said whatever he wanted to say.You can not do anything.
In attempting to potray Modi's history as wrong, Shekar Gupta has himself made a few blunders. 1965 was a victory in the sense that the aggressor was repulsed, and India had upper hand when ceasefire was signed. If Shekar calls 1965 a stalemate, then so was 1962, as both ended in a ceasefire. Further, Shekar has completely forgotten 1967, which was also a minor tactical victory for India. In most of these cases, the war seemed to have been stopped more at the insistence of the military powers US and Russia. It was abundantly clear that US and Russia were calling the shots in these wars, while the stage was set in subcontinent. To some extent one agrees with his assessment that an overdue share of the blame is attributed by the BJP to the congress. Things may not have been very different had BJP been ruling then..
Re: Who knows more
by alok shah on May 14, 2018 04:09 PM
What about Padma award being conferred on brazenly pro-BJP India TV proprietor, Mr. Rajat Sharma?
Re: Re: Who knows more
by P S SHAH on May 14, 2018 02:49 PM
Yes they are better than many others . This two are enough to face number of pesudo secular, opportunist, hypocrats prestitutes. Like all opposition parties can not tackle Modi alone and want to join together against him, bias people target both Arnab and navika as their reporting give huge benefits to BJP and causes great loss to the opposition.. When you support any real Hero it can do wonders but when you blindly support any Big Zero, you can not achieve anything.
Re: Re: Re: Who knows more
by Satyajeet Singh Yadava on May 14, 2018 03:07 PM
Actuaally they r the True_Presstitutes working against Democartic norms?????????????????????????
Re: Re: Re: Who knows more
by Satyajeet Singh Yadava on May 14, 2018 03:07 PM
Actuaally they r the True_Presstitutes working against Democartic norms?????????????????????????
Re: Re: Re: Who knows more
by Satyajeet Singh Yadava on May 14, 2018 03:08 PM
Actuaally they r the True_Presstitutes working against Democratic norms?????????????????????????
Re: Re: Re: Re: Who knows more
by Rajnath Guru on May 14, 2018 06:06 PM
If you know ... Hypocrite has roots in Hippocrates (Hippocratic oath) by doctors...
Just find the list of n number of articles he has written and all biased against MODI and BJP..and on core against India....as can be understand when he was vouching for autonomy to Kashmir....paid writer.
Re: Sekar Gpta is a Cong Psychophant and Servant
by Satyajeet Singh Yadava on May 14, 2018 11:49 AM
Yeah!!!Same like P_Sevakkkkkjeee is the Agent of Chacha_Trump&11Jee_Pinggg???????????????????????
Just find the list of n number of articles he has written and all biased against MODI and BJP..and on core against India....as can be understand when he was vouching for autonomy to Kashmir....paid writer.
Re: Sekar Gpta is a Cong Psychophant and Servant
by Satyajeet Singh Yadava on May 14, 2018 11:49 AM
Yeah!!!Same like P_Sevakkkkkjeee is the Agent of Chacha_Trump&11Jee_Pinggg???????????????????????
Re: Sekar Gpta is a Cong Psychophant and Servant
by Satyajeet Singh Yadava on May 14, 2018 11:49 AM
Yeah!!!Same like P_Sevakkkkkjeee is the Agent of Chacha_Trump&11Jee_Pinggg???????????????????????
Krishnamenon supported Chinna when the invaded Tibet. Not only that.. he and Panicker used Indian Foreign office to soften global anger against Chinna... They were more Chinna agents....
Re: Krishna menon acted against India
by Satyajeet Singh Yadava on May 14, 2018 11:41 AM
Yeah!!!Same like P_Sevakkkkkjeee is the Agent of Chacha_Trump&11Jee_Pinggg???????????????????????
Krishna menon interference in the operational activities of the Indian Army made General Thimayya tender his resignation.. which the dignified General withdrew at the insistence of Nehruu...
Re: General Thimmayya offered resignation!!!!
by palanki narayana on May 14, 2018 07:00 PM
It is a fact that General Thimmayya resigned and withdrew the resignation after Nehru's persuasion. However Krishna Menon's attitude towards the military commanders or even the defence secretary did not change and Nehru had to tolerate his tantrums to keep the myth of civilian supremacy alive.
Re: General Thimmayya offered resignation!!!!
by Satyajeet Singh Yadava on May 14, 2018 11:33 AM
HAhahaha!Like Most SSaaaaaaanghiiii_Privaaaaaar members,Sreeeeeeee_MMMMMoDDDDdiiijeee tooo is_an_illitttteraaaaaaaaaate!!!So,how one can xpect suchhhhhh ppl to grasp Military things??????????????????????????????
Re: General Thimmayya offered resignation!!!!
by Satyajeet Singh Yadava on May 14, 2018 11:33 AM
HAhahaha!Like Most SSaaaaaaanghiiii_Privaaaaaar members,Sreeeeeeee_MMMMMoDDDDdiiijeee tooo is_an_illitttteraaaaaaaaaate!!!So,how one can xpect suchhhhhh ppl to grasp Military things??????????????????????????????
Re: Re: General Thimmayya offered resignation!!!!
by Rajnath Guru on May 14, 2018 11:41 AM
Military Operations... Google what is Circumambulation and what is counter Circumambulation tactic in a War.. and then laugh like a ............
Re: Re: Re: General Thimmayya offered resignation!!!!
by Satyajeet Singh Yadava on May 14, 2018 11:47 AM
Better advise your omniscient Leader to take time off to Google,before diseeminating his NOnsense to the country????????????????????
Re: 2 pence Sekar Gutta to be ignored
by Satyajeet Singh Yadava on May 14, 2018 11:31 AM
HAhahaha!Like Most SSaaaaaaanghiiii_Privaaaaaar members,Sreeeeeeee_MMMMMoDDDDdiiijeee tooo is_an_illitttteraaaaaaaaaate!!!So,how one can xpect suchhhhhh ppl to grasp Military things??????????????????????????????
