PAK is fighting nothing to loose war in Kashmir, all PAK Jihadis are from POK, those who are in Valley are Kashmiris. Anyone whosoever is killed is Kashmiri in majority of cases, whereas we are loosing our CRPF or army Jawans from main land.
Pakistan agents has penetrated every aspect of kashmir adminstration and people life. thanks to our sleeping government who fail to kill sleeping cells in India and kashmir.
Re: That hand is ISI Agents.
by RAJKUMAR on Jun 17, 2018 10:32 AM
minority appeasement by the Congress and its allies over the years is the cause of problem going out of hand.
who is singularly responsible for the long running resource sapping feuds with Pak and China, it is Jawaharlal Nehru !
Nehru should not have sent the Indian army to assist Raja Hari Singh and thus annex Kashmir !
He gave in to his emotive attachment to Kashmir and violated the spirit of the Instrument of Accession act.
Sardar Patel, who was instrumental in integrating hundreds of princely states into the Indian Union and who used the military to drive out the Nawab of Junagadh (who signed the act to accede to Pakistan), did not approve of Nehrus idea to make Kashmir a part of India. He changed his mind and began pursuing Kashmir only in 1949 after Pakistan resolutely kept raising Junagadh in the UN as an example of injustice by India.
Later, Nehru also declined the UN sponsored idea of sharing the 6 river Indus system equally between India and Pakistan in return for India letting go of Kashmir.
If not for these monumental blunders of Nehru, India and Pakistan, two of the most grindingly poor countries in the world, would not have wasted such a huge portion of their begging bowl resources to race against each other in buying arms and maintaining such large armies !
And Nehru compounded his blunders by giving refuge to the parasitic Dalai Lama and inviting the wrath of China, which dealt India a humiliating military defeat. (Nehru also persistently stuck to his stance that the British drawn McMahon line should define the border between India and China, ignoring historical realities that large parts of territory within that line were never part of any Indian kingdom of the past)
Had it not been for these truly monumental blunders of Nehru, these festering cancerous problems with Pak and China would never have come about and the 3 countries could have long become peaceful trading partners and stake holders in each others welfare and development !
Re: If there is one man
by Vijay Sahani on Jun 15, 2018 01:40 PM
Again the same nonsense that your Communist masters have taught you.
In short, you are saying Nehru should have handed over Kashmir to Pakistanis on a platter because they "infiltrated" Kashmir with an intent to annex it!
Nothing can be more stupid than that!
And Instrument of Accession (there is no such Act) was signed by Maharaja Hari Singh as per the provisions of the Indian Independence Act and India's case is legally water tight.
You can really take a walk with your (im)moral preaching.
Re: Re: If there is one man
by piri on Jun 16, 2018 12:00 AM
Yes, Nehru ought to have never attempted to make Kashmir a part of India in the true spirit of the Instrument of Accession !
Sardar Patel made no move to pursue Kashmir like he did for each of the other princely states that became part of the Indian union !
It was plain logic (that those states with muxlims making up a majority going to Pak and those with hyndus as a majority going to India) !
Patel enforced this principle in Junagadh and Hyderabad (In Travancore in Kerala, he did not have to bother with the puny Maharajah and his over ambitious Diwan who wanted to remain independent because the then fledgling Communist party forced those pygmies to sign on the Instrument).
At the very least, Nehru should have grabbed the UN offer to split the 6 rivers of the Indus system equally between India and Pak in exchange for letting go of Kashmir !
Just imagine how tremendously (and beneficially) different would have been todays India and Pakistan had Nehru left Kashmir alone !
Re: Re: Re: If there is one man
by Vijay Sahani on Jun 16, 2018 01:55 PM
There WAS NO "plain logic" as you suggest.
The Indian Independence Act did not, I REPEAT DID NOT, mandate that in case of princely states it will be the ratio of the population which will decide whether it would be part of India or Pakistan. This is a figment of YOUR imagination. That is the letter and spirit of the Act.
BTW get your facts correct. Instrument of accession was signed by Raja Hari Singh and after that Kashmir was part of India. There is no question of spirit of the Instrument of Accession. Maybe you are referring to Indian Independence Act. But as I said, it gave the princely states to decide who they want to join. And there was no third option given either.
Re: Re: Re: Re: If there is one man
by piri on Jun 17, 2018 10:42 AM
In that case, Junagadh, whose Nawab signed on for accession to Pakistan, should have gone to Pakistan !
The act, unlike what you said, clearly gave 3 options, join India, join Pak or opt to remain independent.
Only 2 princely states insisted on remaining independent, Nizam of Hyd and Raja Chittira tirunal Bala Rama Varma of Travancore (egged on by his despotic diwan, C P Ramaswamy Iyer).
Raja Hari Singh of Kashmir initially wanted to retain his power by opting to remain independent before Nehru coerced him into joining India when Pak irregulars attacked Kashmir.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: If there is one man
by Vijay Sahani on Jun 18, 2018 05:44 PM
You are wrong. The three options before the princely states were :
1. To be independent 2. To join India 3. To join Pakistan
The Act did NOT provide for the princely states to decide based on the ratio of the population. The decision was entirely left to the monarchs of the respective princely states.
Let's just stick to Kashmir and the legality of it's accession to India.
Re: Re: Re: If there is one man
by janga sridhar on Jun 16, 2018 12:43 AM
you are just not taking into account the treachery of a particular religious ideology involved here, into account. Which will continue with its ways. The only solution now is to do what the Israelis are doing....build settlements and change the demography. Peace will follow.
Re: Re: Re: Re: If there is one man
by piri on Jun 16, 2018 10:57 AM
Wrong entirely !
Peace will never come that way !
Just read in detail about what Israeli commoners think and feel in general about the 70 year state of seige they have endured despite their immense military superiority and active efforts at making big demographic changes by bringing in more and more jews from all around the world and settling them in Palestinian areas !
They have not known a moments peace !
And........India is no Israel ! (in military superiority over its adversary)
Re: If there is one man
by Vijay Sahani on Jun 15, 2018 01:45 PM
Kashmir is Pakistan's response to the creation of Bangladesh by India
and
Chinese desire to curb India from becoming a regional / world power. But with your head in the sand you are unlikely to acknowledge Chinese ulterior designs vis-Ã -vis India.
Re: Re: If there is one man
by Rakesh Dandekar on Jun 15, 2018 03:34 PM
some neighbour will come and fu-*k you and you are sleeping in the name ISI, Nehru etc etc. why our govt is not taking action why govt is sleeping in the vote back. earlier govt did but what present govt doing. all are bakwas.
Re: If there is one man
by electronic centre on Jun 15, 2018 03:47 PM
You are 100% correct. Even in 1962 when China attacked India and occupied Aksai Chin, a big part of Kashmir, security advisers to PM, advised him to use IAF, which was almost 3 times bigger than Chinese Air Force at that time. But a born coward Nehru never acted that way. Else geography of Kashmir and Tibet would have been different at our time.
Nothing new, PAK openly claiming Kashmir his territory, we are to deal firmly within Kashmir all separatists, we could not push even a single from Kashmir whereas they are pushing all Hindus and other minorities systematically.
So what, you, coward Indians, your 5000 years of history is only looking for alibis for your failures. You are cowards, race-wise. You never retaliated even if your kith and kin were raped by invaders. Why regret now!
Re: The Pakistanis have a hand in Kashmir'
by ASHOK UPADHYAYA on Jun 15, 2018 04:11 PM
Remember 1971 war..ir was blunder of the than PM who returned 90000 sainiks n won area upto Lahore....we were in position to win entire Pak....Unnecessarily allowed 2 crore Bangladeshi refugees...look into History also because of generosity n internal divisive forces....Hindus had and are suffering...
So what, you ****** Indians, your 5000 years of history is only looking for alibis for your failures. You are cowards, race-wise. You never retaliated even if your kith and kin were raped by invaders. Why regret now!
