HAL is incapable of delivering on fighter jet maintenance and manufacture ?
You are a dumbo, aren't you ?
Just read about what the HAL is doing, you idiot !
For instance, read about what it has made and maintained just last year (Dornier aircraft, trainer jets, transport helicopters, engines for the advanced Sukhoi fighters, etc.) !
Read about its growing turnover (Rs, 17400 crores in the last year), you idiot !
Read about its pre-tax profit last year, you idiot (Rs. 3300 crores) !
Read about the dividend it paid to the Govt of India last year, you idiot (Rs 800 crores) !
Read about its trained engineers and scientists, you idiot !
Read about its infrastructure, you idiot !
Read about how successfully it has been making the advanced Sukhoi engines after Russia transferred its technology, you idiot !
Read about the thousands of crores of foreign exchange HAL has been saving by making such engines and aircraft successfully, you idiot !
Re: Re: RAFALE
by Super Funny on Feb 11, 2018 02:49 PM
Why is ambani making it an issue? Other than your regular talk of ambani...adani..ambani..adani.. anything else?
Re: Re: Re: RAFALE
by piri on Feb 11, 2018 03:21 PM
Why is Ambani in the deal ?
Other than the BJPs need to find the next big contributor to their immense election campaign funds with looted public wealth, is there any other reason ?
Re: Re: Re: Re: RAFALE
by Super Funny on Feb 11, 2018 03:53 PM
Yes could be but as a company everyone knows that they are capable of execution so why not?
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: RAFALE
by piri on Feb 11, 2018 04:08 PM
You said that *everyone knows* that RDL is capable of execution.
But unless the public sector HAL, which already has been handling manufacture and maintenance of defence aircraft for half a century and has vast infrastructure and experience to do so, is found to be incapable of execution, why take their job and give it to private novice who is in it only to loot ?
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: RAFALE
by Super Funny on Feb 11, 2018 04:35 PM
Private novice also requires experience.. without opportunity how come anyone gets experienced?
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: RAFALE
by Super Funny on Feb 11, 2018 05:21 PM
Hal is not out of job..they still have jobs ..moreover ambani also will recruit....about stealing I do not know the accounts as BJP has not exposed it so no comments
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: RAFALE
by piri on Feb 11, 2018 06:16 PM
HAL is not out of jobs. And it should be given the Rafale aircraft deal with transfer of technology as originally planned and negotiated for (else the Eurofighter was being offered) because that would have been the best deal - maximum aircraft and technology too !
The price of defence aircraft must not be allowed to go up and it must be revealed in full detail because, the govt is trying to hide the fact that it proposes to use RDL as a conduit for looting public wealth !
Otherwise, Nirmala Sitharaman would not have suddenly come up with the discovery that the price too is a secret as part of the deal !
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: RAFALE
by Super Funny on Feb 11, 2018 06:40 PM
When you do not know the deal details yet how can you claim Hal deal.is the best? Just biased? Moreover more players coming in any field is good as that gives rise to healthy competition rather than monopoly
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: RAFALE
by piri on Feb 11, 2018 07:01 PM
What is the HAL deal compared to the RDL deal ?
Do you know ?
No ?
Then what should be the criterion to decide which deal is ideal ?
Max purchase at lowest cost, right ?
So, if the new RDL deal has some very superior component, why is the govt fighting shy of saying it instead of just trying to hide under what it now describes as the IGA (that it did not mention for 1 and half years after the deal was signed by komaaaali Modi) ?
Why did Nirmala Sitharaman agree to reveal the price to journalists and then, after evading phone queries for several weeks, suddenly come up with a secrecy clause ?
Why did she not talk about the secrecy clause at the beginning itself instead of agreeing to reveal the price ?
And why did the Modi govt publish the price as Rs 58000 crores for 36 fly away Rafales and no transfer of technology in September 2016 as soon as Modi signed the new deal ?
Did it think that no one will be able to calculate ?
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: RAFALE
by Super Funny on Feb 12, 2018 10:17 AM
All true but till govt exposes the details all your saying is on air as you cannot compare two things without knowing anything about the deal
Re: RAFALE
by Ramprasad S on Feb 11, 2018 10:27 AM
Why HAL or any govt. organization is incapable of delivering? Modi took the initiative of Make in India and he should have awarded Rafale contract to HAL and should have made them delivered in time? If he is incapable to get it delivered from HAL, then he is incapable to be a PM of India.
Re: Re: RAFALE
by sunnyp on Feb 11, 2018 11:35 AM
RG should answer who stopped them from awarding said contract to HAL during UPA. By blaming BJP he is highlighting his Govt UPAs inefficiency
Re: Re: Re: RAFALE
by Ramprasad S on Feb 11, 2018 08:49 PM
But RaGa or UPA have never camouflaged their loot by coining phrase "Make In India" like Modi or NDA did.
Re: Re: Re: RAFALE
by radhakrishna topalle on Feb 11, 2018 12:37 PM
Congs will be happy, if the contract is awarded to Adani, Ambani by them selves, u all know why ????During congs rule HAL was reduced to mere maint apron for russian built MiGs. Tejas was not allowed to be materialised duing Congs rule, it rolled out only during BJP time
Re: RAFALE
by radhakrishna topalle on Feb 11, 2018 12:45 PM
During congees rule HAL was reduced to maint apron for russian built MiGs, they were not givn freehand to roll out Tejas what now inducted in IAF.
raga is beffitting his family line. his family is used to the cuts received from the defence deals. had he questioned his papa regarding the bofors murky dealings , the country would have saved precious rupees. there are more mafioso in italy than in india-- he should cross check his roots.
Let this immature and inexperienced Rahul Gandhi explain capacity of HAL all these years and what they manufacture . Whatever is the position of HAL is today, his party is fully responsible for their inefficiency. When a country like Brazil manufacture fighter planes, what is the progress of HAL all these years ?
Re: Raffle Contract
by Sunil Vaidya on Feb 10, 2018 09:58 PM
we will wait for this immature and inexperienced shah explain capacity of newbie ambani...hal has more capacity and experience than ambani,...what experience does ambani have other than being a modi friend and contributor...
Re: Re: Raffle Contract
by radhakrishna topalle on Feb 10, 2018 10:17 PM
He is not talking like a immature olitician, but like a lunatic. His advisors told him, no Govt can reveal def contracts, thays why he is brking Rafale rafale.
Re: Re: Raffle Contract
by Super Funny on Feb 10, 2018 10:17 PM
An experience which is not used is no use. I woulf prefer an enthusiastic fresher rather than a almost dead experienced organization..
Re: Re: Raffle Contract
by Pratul Karmokar on Feb 11, 2018 01:33 AM
Its the choice of Rafale(Dassault) to choose the Indian partner and not the Indian govt. to. Pappu should ask this question to Dassault avation for choosing Reliance as partner. And for your info. Reliance has been very active in defence lately. Remember Pipav port and manufacturing hull and turrets for indian navy. Just search for the reliance defence you will find what you need. Don't blindly believe Pappu!
Re: Re: Raffle Contract
by Pratul Karmokar on Feb 11, 2018 01:34 AM
Its the choice of Rafale(Dassault) to choose the Indian partner and not the Indian govt. to. Pappu should ask this question to Dassault avation for choosing Reliance as partner. And for your info. Reliance has been very active in defence lately. Remember Pipav port and manufacturing hull and turrets for indian navy. Just search for the reliance defence you will find what you need. Don't blindly believe Pappu!
Re: Re: Raffle Contract
by Pratul Karmokar on Feb 11, 2018 01:34 AM
Its the choice of Rafale(Dassault) to choose the Indian partner and not the Indian govt. to. Pappu should ask this question to Dassault avation for choosing Reliance as partner. And for your info. Reliance has been very active in defence lately. Remember Pipav port and manufacturing hull and turrets for indian navy. Just search for the reliance defence you will find what you need. Don't blindly believe Pappu!
Re: Re: Raffle Contract
by sunnyp on Feb 11, 2018 11:30 AM
Pappu will remain Pappu for ever Who stopped your own UPA govt by awarding contract to HAL or any other capable company....
Re: Re: Raffle Contract
by P S SHAH on Feb 11, 2018 12:57 AM
Veda and totally idiot Vaidya, only Ch...a like you only can ask qualification of Ambanis without knowing anything about them. They are doing business from the days of late Indira Gandhi and has prosper more during Congress rule.But people like you with very limited knowledge about business will not understand this.
Re: Re: Re: Raffle Contract
by radhakrishna topalle on Feb 11, 2018 12:41 PM
Even Adanis prospoured during congee rule. Mallya also flourished bank dolled out loans during scamgress rule. This kind of congee backas u read in hindustan times and rediff
