I think that the author is much ill-informed about the issues involved about the rafale fighter planes,its process of acquisition,etc.Even ordinary people are able to understand the intricacies of the deal while the opposition,especially the congress president and the celebrity authors and journalists. What the author has based his arguments on are only foolish lacking analytical ability. It only shows that they are really pseudo intellectuals. Unfortunate!
Can anyone tell us how many deals congress did without middlemen. Middlemen were kept for kick backs only. Great job done by Modi direct deal with France Govt.
Re: Defence deals
by fusarium udum on Nov 24, 2018 11:12 AM
Congress did all the deals with middle men, Ok. So want to say what if Modi Ji has done only one deal with middlemen! Good carry on Sir.
Re: Defence deals
by fusarium udum on Nov 24, 2018 11:12 AM
Congress did all the deals with middle men, Ok. So want to say what if Modi Ji has done only one deal with middlemen! Good carry on Sir.
The decisions UPA was not taken timely and Mr Anthony was perhaps responsible for blocking all important defence deals. Now the decison taken by this Govt has also not been implemented . In four years we must have aquired at least 36 Rafales. It is definitely lack of decision making process. Even now we should purchase minimum 2 squadrens peryear to arm the IAF to desiredlevels. BJP started Bofors issue 30 years back without any result. The only outcome was that BOFORS are not being manufactured in India otherwise it is one of best guns for army. Same is going to happen with RAFale due to nondisclosure of deal by this Govt and allowing opposition to make it an issue of corruption.
Re: The air force continues to be short of planes
by paul theo on Dec 19, 2018 10:45 AM
126 AIRCRAFT BROUGHT DOWN TO 36, BY BJP, WHY? HAL. HAS BEEN SIDE LINED , WHY?
The Indian political history since the medieval time is full of strange and (political) wonder moves, out of box, unpredictable, making mad the top political leaders of the west, e.g., Bofore even after 3 decades is a mystery to Indians, not to the outside World, but no logical end yet reached to in India. In the present Rafael case we need to believe in the integrity of the present Defense Minister, PM and Modi Govt. The trend after 2016 is whatever Govt. does or undoes, put it under heavy allegations/political pressure as if some blunder has committed that will destroy the nation ASAP. Some facts in the matter of Rafael are clear: there have to be difference in Rafael price over a period of 2007 to 2016, it is purely a deal between two Govt.,: France and India, i.e., Govt. to Govt. deal, there is no broker on commission (practice of earlier Govt.) the details of the operational deal are not referred to, kept aside by the critics, and the deal is neither yet executed nor payment made. What are the ulterior motives behind such a French Rafael mess on the Indian soil just before the 2019 General Election? Is it that difficult to unfold?
Re: Rafael, Bofore and India
by fusarium udum on Nov 24, 2018 11:17 AM
You say it is Govt to Govt. deal. But the Indian Govt. submitted an affidavit in Supreme Court saying that it is not Govt. to Govt. deal, though some ministers claimed that it is Govt. to Govt. deal and it further created doubt.
Re: Rafael, Bofore and India
by Ram Niwas on Sep 24, 2018 06:11 PM
But deal was signed in 2015 and it should have been implemented by now. Why this laxity even by this Govt. The deal should have the provisions of urgent delivery.
The Indian political history since the medieval time is full of strange and (political) wonder moves, out of box, unpredictable, making mad the top political leaders of the west, e.g., Bofore even after 3 decades is a mystery to Indians, not to the outside World, but no logical end yet reached to in India. In the present Rafael case we need to believe in the integrity of the present Defense Minister, PM and Modi Govt. The trend after 2016 is whatever Govt. does or undoes, put it under heavy allegations/political pressure as if some blunder has committed that will destroy the nation ASAP. Some facts in the matter of Rafael are clear: there have to be difference in Rafael price over a period of 2007 to 2016, it is purely a deal between two Govt.,: France and India, i.e., Govt. to Govt. deal, there is no broker on commission (practice of earlier Govt.) the details of the operational deal are not referred to, kept aside by the critics, and the deal is neither yet executed nor payment made. What are the ulterior motives behind such a French Rafael mess on the Indian soil just before the 2019 General Election? Is it that difficult to unfold?
Re: Rafael, Bofore and India
by paul theo on Dec 19, 2018 10:47 AM
BOFORS WAS A POLITICAL MOVE , BY THE THEN BJP TO BRING DOWN RAJIV GANDHI, RAFELE SCAM IS 1000 TIMES BIGGER THAN BOFORS
Re: Rafael, Bofore and India
by paul theo on Dec 19, 2018 10:47 AM
BOFORS WAS A POLITICAL MOVE , BY THE THEN BJP TO BRING DOWN RAJIV GANDHI, RAFELE SCAM IS 1000 TIMES BIGGER THAN BOFORS
While the author can't be totally faulted for saying "But it is hard to get conclusive facts, and there is no evidence available of bribes in the case of Rafale." Yes, on date evidence is not available but as happened in Bofors case even a paltry sum of just Rs62 Crs alleged bribe had its own way to surface to create a cloud of "scam" destroying late Rajiv's entire reputation although nothing has been be proved till date !So don't be mistaken and let not the establishment be smug with false sense of confidence because the wrong doings if any have their own ways to suddenly explode and come out in the open one day to mar reputations. The force of truth is too powerful and shall prevail over lies in the end. Again, as in Bofors it might not be still conclusive and proved in courts till end for decades but the damage to reputation would have been done for sure.In modern times the laws and systems in courts are in-built and meant primarily to protect reputations of rich and famous, people in power etc. but still is not an Insurance to protect their reputations in public.
Re: UNPROVEBLE SCAMS HAVE THEIR OWN WAYS OF SUDDEN EXPLOSION
by Prabhakar Waghodekar on Aug 31, 2018 11:29 PM
If this is the style of dealing with the issues of national sensitivity, like, Bofors, it is simple to allege, damage the Govt. and wait for next 30 years to see the end!
Bofors is just one of the reasons of flattening Rajiv. He was elected due to sympathy wave & young age. People wanted a clean, young person to lead the country. Like anyone getting thumping majority is subject to many expectations face is not able to fulfill promises in 5 years. While talking of the Nation one must realize that it takes decades to see the fruits of such decisions. Rajivji's policy to promote computers is responsible for presence Indians is Silicon valley, software service sector world wide late nineties till now. People disliked him due to Shahbano episode & the kitchen cabinet around him. Likewise the effects of Modiji's reforms in economy will be seen may be after 10 years or so.
Rahul and congress does not know the deal, they never did without an agent or intermediary, to whom they had given commission for around 7% as brokerage and took from him back around 5%. Rafel deal is direct deal with France Govt. no agent or intermediary. Rahul is attacking not only directly to Indian Govt. also to France Govt. We can only have pity at his wisdom and reasoning.
Re: Rafel
by fusarium udum on Nov 24, 2018 11:21 AM
Mr. Agarwal you are really ignorant of the facts. You say it is a deal with France Govt. but Indian Govt. in supreme court says that it is not a Govt. to Govt. deal. Please be the supporter of a party but be ready to accept the truth and please dont spead lies.
Re: Rafel
by Ram Niwas on Sep 24, 2018 06:16 PM
How has Reliance and Anil Ambani come to picture for this deal. What will be their role and services and commission if any. Defence deals world over are mostly through agents and as usch this as well cannot be exception. But let Govt be fair in disclosing the role of reliance . What is harm in accepting truth.
Re: Re: Rafel
by B B Sharma on Oct 14, 2018 10:24 AM
Now Govt is acting as a agent for Anil Ambani otherwise what are the credential of debit redden , 12 day old company against decades old well established enterprise. Strangely , Govt is ridiculing its own baby ?
The writer did not consider the inflation between 2012 and 2017. Secondly, he did not consider the the advance technology adopted in Rafale jet which was not in 2012. Thirdly, many of the components will be manufactured in India thus saving considerable foreign exchange in coming years. One should have long vision before commenting or criticizing the Rafale deal.
India avoid such humongous expenditures for such long time for submarines, fighter jets and howitzers but have not lost any war due to that or comes to grief. The expensive toys may not be actually needed except to feed our national vanity. The monstrous delays may actually be prudential judgement. Three cheers for Indian business acumen!
Re: Weapon Purchase
by rakesh mehrotra on Aug 25, 2018 09:45 AM
From your name you look like a Muslim. I am sure you are not happy with these fighters. Go to Pakistan
