Some facts about the deal:- It's a deal between 2 governments. No middlemen involved. During UPA all deals through middlemen only. UPA never signed contract for 126 aircraft HAL is not competent to manufacture air crafts of such complexity. Earlier US Ambassador to India also mentioned this during MMRCA contract. HAL quoted 90 million man hours against the Dassault Aviation's projected 30 million man hours per aircraft. Egypt paid euro 5.2 billion for 24 jets. Qatar paid euro 6.3 billion. In comparison the ball park figures are cheaper for India. Offset increased from 30% to 50%. India doesn't have any say French selecting a local partners. Recently some new channel showed documents to prove that not only Reliance (as falsely claimed by RaGa) but other 30 local Indian companies are involved in this project. So cong. is just creating issue out of nothing.
Re: Cong. is just creating issue out of nothing
by B B Sharma on Aug 07, 2018 01:02 PM
When Govt. is not revealing the exact official price of Rafael fighter , how to conclude we made a cheaper deal ? Further why Govt does not make names of all the local firms public other then Reliance defence to know the truth . Is it also secret ??
Re: Re: Cong. is just creating issue out of nothing
by LiveComment on Aug 07, 2018 01:16 PM
It is coming upto Rs.1500 crore per aircraft. It is basic understanding even in cars the base model and the fully loaded model will not cost same. This basic GK pappu should have. Also why do you expect the govt. to give out local partners of Dassault Aviation which finalised local partners.
Re: Re: Cong. is just creating issue out of nothing
by B B Sharma on Aug 07, 2018 01:17 PM
HAL is Govt enterprise , who else is to make it competent /modern . What is basis of selecting Reliance defence who has absolutely no experience in this field ? If HAL is not competent then how Reliance is competent ?
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by P S SHAH on Aug 07, 2018 02:23 PM
Mr sharma, what is the progress of HAL in last 70 years ? Can they have capacity for maintainance of the most modern Fighter plane ? HAL has become whilte elphant with lot of man power but of no utility. Why Mig fighter planes maintained by them is called " Flying Coffins" ?
Re: Re: Re: Cong. is just creating issue out of nothing
by P S SHAH on Aug 07, 2018 02:23 PM
Mr sharma, what is the progress of HAL in last 70 years ? Can they have capacity for maintainance of the most modern Fighter plane ? HAL has become whilte elphant with lot of man power but of no utility. Why Mig fighter planes maintained by them is called " Flying Coffins" ?
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by Ravi R Saigal on Aug 07, 2018 03:00 PM
P D Shah I suppose Relative to Mr Amit Sh@h ! Anil AMba ni's Competence can be gauged from Reliance Communication & other companies in his stable . And By The way The MIG Aircraft Maintained by them are Coffins Beacuse of the Sub Standard Parts Components sourced from Russia / Ukraine etc
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by P S SHAH on Aug 07, 2018 09:11 PM
Ravi, don’t praise HAL too much. You just visit that place , see yourself their working and capacity and then give your opinion about their capacity to work in modern era and highly advanced equipments and fighter plane.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Cong. is just creating issue out of nothing
by B B Sharma on Aug 07, 2018 03:26 PM
If Govt. sector can make satellites & missiles why HAL can not make Rafael fighters that too in collaboration . Obviously Govt had other intentions!!
Re: Re: Cong. is just creating issue out of nothing
by P S SHAH on Aug 07, 2018 02:13 PM
In last 70 years, how many deals of defence were disclosed by the government ?
Re: Cong. is just creating issue out of nothing
by subhasis gupta on Aug 07, 2018 01:13 PM
HAL is not competent enough to make Aircrafts of complexity. My sincere sympathies for you. It did Mig29 Sukhoi. Ambani is having the competency for the last 50 years. This is from an Ex Scientist. My seriour sympathies for Blots and Blind bhakts like you. Thats why you guys are brainless wonder. Modi Modi Modi.
Re: Re: Cong. is just creating issue out of nothing
by LiveComment on Aug 07, 2018 01:22 PM
Read full facts. They quoted 90 million hours instead of planned 30 million hours. Which organization will allow / pay for that extra hours. Only govt. organizations in India can live with this kind of laid back attitude and effectiveness. The much hyped LCA of India is under development from 1983. That too with old generation fighter aircraft. Why only Reliance name coming out why other local partner names are not used by RaGa ?
Re: Re: Cong. is just creating issue out of nothing
by B B Sharma on Aug 07, 2018 01:28 PM
Why Mr Anil Ambani was accompanying the PM to France for such a historical defence deal while the defence minister was roaming in Delhi?
Re: Re: Re: Cong. is just creating issue out of nothing
by LiveComment on Aug 07, 2018 02:35 PM
It is a new story from cong. that Anil Ambani accompanied PM to France. Keep cooking some fake stories.
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by B B Sharma on Aug 07, 2018 03:15 PM
Who signed the contract on behalf on Reliance defence in France ? Pl check your facts.
Re: Re: Cong. is just creating issue out of nothing
by rau on Aug 12, 2018 01:43 PM
GO AND SEE FIRST AT LUCNH HOUR.WHAT HAPPNED AT FLYING PARADE LAST YEAR.
The government delays results in getting obsolete technology as the modern war fare and technology advancements, the present contract which was made in 2001 till now it is about 17 years a lot of technology gap would render those aircraft's useless or at least of less importance in the world scenario. The government both the congress and the BJP is eying only to fortify their party and their personal interest rather than the countries interest , that is why the deals are getting delayed even now it is gong to be much more delayed . Our countries' polity need to be changed , if UPA is described as kick backs scandal BJP is much worse than in bargaining for their party's interest but alas the county's interest in in abeyance.
Re: Re: aircraft deals
by P S SHAH on Aug 07, 2018 02:26 PM
Bewada Theo, this is beyond your capacity to understand. Better continue your non stop drinking.
Re: Re: aircraft deals
by ASHOK UPADHYAYA on Aug 11, 2018 09:23 PM
60 years looted by Congress, BSP, SP leaders n their relatives n othe parties leaders have also become billionaire..now let other get chance...it is not good that there should be monopoly of one party....
Re: aircraft deals
by B B Sharma on Aug 07, 2018 12:52 PM
Shall it would be prudent to conclude that hence forth no prices of any defence procurement would be released to public on the plea of defence preparedness / national security as in this case . The countries like Egypt or Qatar who also purchased Rafael are compromising with their National security by making price public ?
Re: Re: aircraft deals
by paul theo on Aug 07, 2018 01:06 PM
ONE OF HIS RICH FRIEND IS BROKE, SO HE NOW WANTS TO MAKE RAFEAL AIRCRAFT, WITH NO EXPERIENCE IN THIS FIELD, AND OWNING A LOSS MAKING COMPANY, IT CAN HAPPEN ONLY IN INDIA
Re: Re: Re: aircraft deals
by Rajan P on Aug 07, 2018 01:19 PM
This rich friend was a creation of Congress Govts. Just study from "only Vimal' stage to their present status. It was not from 2014.
Re: Re: aircraft deals
by P S SHAH on Aug 07, 2018 02:27 PM
Sharma, tomorrow you may ask Arm forces to announce their plan for attack or strike on public platform. Use your brain some time.
Re: Re: Re: aircraft deals
by LiveComment on Aug 07, 2018 02:37 PM
They already did that questioning surgical strike in 2016. So we can't expect sense from the people who blindly follow RaGa.
Why doesn't Parliament hold the government to account on this issue?".The parliamenet didn't hold the Govt. to account for giving bank loans in the range of Rs.44000 crs.or Rs.55000 crs. to select individuals-itis a moot question as to how many people the country can give such amount as loan ,as everybody or most people have a claim as the wealth distribution has to be equitable , being a socialist country, in India. So Our Parliament has no experience to hold the Govt.to account on the issue.Was one those Rs. 44000 cr taking a loanee a law maker?>
Since the rafale deal between govt to govt agreement, how there can be scam. If it is so there cannot be any agreement between two govt and trusted upon
Congress has no work except to tarnish Modi, not possible, rather Modi saved country with a better deal with advanced version of weapons. In this deal, no intermediary exists.
Re: Rafel
by Chet on Aug 07, 2018 11:13 AM
Yes, Agreed... Modi Govt. is quite fair in this deal. But their could be some Babu's, who are part of deal, who could get some moolahs. This could be in lakhs o crores. You cannot avoid this.
Does it not look like the GOP is not having any issues & tries hard to get some confidential details out ? Many media & writers are also prejudiced - no one can deny it.
So many scams has made public immune & also suddenly wants the govt to clean up every thing ?
