Natesan and his son are real rogues,who under the guise of some political out fit entered in NDA alliance to escape from the clutches of law.There was a case in 2000,in which natesan's premises were raided and reported that tax evasion and wirless set ups used by defence was recovered.This was when Bajpayeewas in power and suddenly one central minister from Kerala flew to trivandrum to hush up all incriminating documents and the case is nothing.BJP intended to rescue natesan,as they thought that this will pave way for them to get access to SNDP and ezhava community,which's leader natesan will help it.After Modi came to power,this wretched man is given Z security and alas this is INDIA and we still boast of DOOMOCRACY here.
According to Vellappally Mr. Pinarayi Vijayan is the Best prime minister Kerala has ever seen. He has all the praises for CPM now as he wants to escape from the Microfinance case levelled against him. He was able to keep VS Achuthandna's mouth shut. He is a cunning fox and a good politician. It is better for BJP to get rid of him. But if BJP is not listening to CK JANU , the party is making a grave mistake as she is the only face of Backward community in BJP. BJP should support her and support the Adivasis and uplift them. To win in Kerala, BJP should actively participate in all protests. The party should seriously think of agitation in Munnar against the unlawful acquisition of forest land and expose the involvement of both CPM and Congress. We saw a minister in CPM saying what is the need for Forest. The fool does not know that Kerala is becoming a rainless state becoz the forests were converted to Tea Plantation.
Using the modi game already fooling the public more than 100 times now even children get bored with such games and everyone knows about the EVM machines now
Re: Already fooling the public
by Ganesh Nakkathaya.H. on Mar 28, 2017 06:04 PM
You are a Kejri Fan? you too don't like EVM, he he. Hope you didn't vote for Modi, as suggested by your false name. So he did not fool you.
Re: Already fooling the public
by Ganesh Nakkathaya.H. on Mar 28, 2017 06:04 PM
You are a Kejri Fan? you too don't like EVM, he he. Hope you didn't vote for Modi, as suggested by your false name. So he did not fool you.
See all parties are saying we are having so and so community support, We belongs to so and so, They threat the we will go out if not fulfilled their dreams (Not a community) Then they say this party BJP is against so and so, Know this man talking of Kerala BJP Local leaders are arrogant and Central leaders are very good, See here the political gains he wants to make, One day Two chankayas say no to him. then he is going say these chankayas are belongs to so and so com munity that's the reason we came out of alliance.
One thing all parties needs to understand don't take community granted, In these days no community belongs to no one, Todays supports may not be Tomorrow.
So better working leaders going to rule is a thumb role today, Yesterday it was cast talk leaders role, Tomorrow its Development leaders rule.
Re: These people think they are ownes of community
by piri on Mar 24, 2017 12:39 PM
Natesan may not have the support of the entire Ezhava community as he tries to pretend. (The Ezhavas make up about 24 % of the Kerala population).
But he does have the committed support of a small section of the Ezhavas. Being general secretary of the SNDP (Ezhava organisation) and being the via media for their interests with the state govt for decades sure has brought him a lot of clout within the community.
And psephologists analyse that the share of the BJDS in the 15 % votes secured by the NDA in the 2016 assembly election is between 4 and 5 %.
This means that Natesan has the electoral support of about one sixth of the Ezhava community (assuming that the votes the BJDS brought has only a very small proportion of those from non Ezhavas).
Re: Vellapilly vs. NDA
by madanmohan siddhanthi on Mar 24, 2017 05:52 AM
Let him go and jump in a lake or gutter who cares .Time to get merit in all fields of the nation to build a strong nation .does not matter caste . Idiots always fan for raking caste issues
Before he became a thief businessman, he became the general secretary of the SNDP, an umbrella community organization of the Ezhavas, who make up about 24 % of the Kerala population.
Once in the saddle of general secretaryship of the SNDP, Natesan gave full vent to his naturally abundant thieving instincts. He took control of the funds provided by the govt for upliftment of the weaker sections of the Ezhavas and lent it to them at 12 % interest (against the govt mandated 2 %) and pocketed the difference for years together.
He hijacked the SNDP committees for appointment of teachers in schools and colleges run by the organization and extracted heavy bribes from each of them.
He bargained long and hard with several Congress led UDF governments in the state to corner favours and funds meant for the community. And the Congress governments were only too happy to keep him appeased (just as they appeased the Muxlim League, the Kerala Congress and the Nair Service Society) in order to get as many votes as possible from the Ezhavas.
Natesans liquor business also saw a very steep growth after he became SNDP general secretary (a post he continues to cling on to to this day).
However, it was a situation that was too good to last for too long.
In 2006, the Congress govt lost the elections and a left front govt led by the redoubtable and incorruptible VS Achuthanandan assumed power. VS did not lose much time in ending appeasement of the
Re: Vellappally Natesan
by piri on Mar 23, 2017 09:59 PM
SNDP, NSS, Muxlim League and the Kerala Congress - all gateways through which the Congress had cultivated vote banks for long.
And there began the end of Natesans salad days !
VS proceeded in systematic fashion to haul Natesan to court for one corruption case after another (just as he pursued the Muxlim Leagues Kunjalikutty with equal vigour).
It is these cases that continue to doxg Natesan to this day.
Re: Re: Vellappally Natesan
by samsir on Mar 23, 2017 10:04 PM
VS was only worth putting in cases..when he was given power, he destroyed some houses and hotels in Munnar and what development did he do? Nothing. VS is equally a dialogue only person
Re: Re: Re: Vellappally Natesan
by piri on Mar 23, 2017 10:12 PM
You are too pea brained to understand the long term benefits of such unprecedented pieces of legislation such as the *Wetlands Protection act* brought and enacted under his stewardship !
You are too pea brained to understand what largescale infringement of revenue and forest lands by private profiteers can imply for future environmental sustainability, especially those of fragile systems existing in the western ghats !
You have not read a single word about what ecological fragility of the western ghats mean !
And of course, you have no idea at all about a certain....Gadgil committee report, do you ??
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by samsir on Mar 23, 2017 10:15 PM
I am fine if it is illegal but do some development too..what did he do that way? only destruction? Funny
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by samsir on Mar 23, 2017 10:21 PM
Why only on western ghats? He was CM of kerala or western ghats? Show development VS has done in any place in kerala during his time?
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by samsir on Mar 23, 2017 10:16 PM
Now obviously you know piri I am talking more on development than destruction..are you acting ignorant?
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by samsir on Mar 23, 2017 10:21 PM
Development can be done without that also and I am sure VS will know it..so in kerala where did he do it?
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by piri on Mar 23, 2017 10:34 PM
My question is, why oppose VS for what he tried to do in Munnar ?
Is not what he tried to do there the most important requirement to ensure a sustainable future for Kerala ??
Is not the destruction of the environment in the name of development a regular feature of life today ?
Is not the very term development used today primarily to hide theft of natural resources and destruction of the ecology ?
Are these not of overriding importance today for commoners (though most of them are just too stuxpid to understand the true extent of their seriousness) ?
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by samsir on Mar 23, 2017 10:34 PM
Without killing any nature we can do development..it is really possible but might not be in western ghats but in cities..what did VS do that way? The great environmentalist that he is
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by samsir on Mar 23, 2017 10:36 PM
Piri stop acting..I am mainly talking about VS and development and not about destruction..if a place is illegal, break them but as a CM you should build something too...if you are cornered accept it..accept truth as Je-su-s says
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Vellappally Natesan
by samsir on Mar 23, 2017 10:38 PM
Again and again you seem to say that development is possible only by desytuction of something..you seem to be ignorant to the fact that development can be done without destroying nature or you are too much a fan of VS that you have become blind..which is true?
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Vellappally Natesan
by piri on Mar 23, 2017 10:39 PM
Who says sustainable development is not important ?
But which other CM in Kerala has tried to do so much for the protection of the environment and to prevent large scale loot of natural and state resources by profiteers such as the Goenkas in the name of development ?
Why should big time thieves be allowed to get away just as every other CM has allowed them to ??
Is this not of overriding importance ?
And, as the lone CM who made a serious attempt in this direction, was not what VS tried to do worthy of high praise ?
VS certainly did not try to prevent sustainable development anywhere. But he certainly also did not try to push big time theft under the garb of development as K Karunakaran and Oommen Chandy did (and the Congress and the BJP have been doing at the centre) !!
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by samsir on Mar 23, 2017 10:41 PM
So you agree VS is not for development and just to stop thieves right? I also agree on that..but I like people who make my life better..opinions differ
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by samsir on Mar 23, 2017 10:42 PM
Or you prove that you are a saint..like losing power and all does not matter to you..I do not see anybody like that..when it is not perfect, why not have it my way?Simple!
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by samsir on Mar 23, 2017 10:46 PM
About praise, let me tell you I will praise people who are perfect.VS was not in anyway perfect as I proved with CPI and his son etc..so I cannot praise him..he is just another politician with his own agenda..may be some agenda is good..that way some agenda of some other politician is also good...like yogi going and checking police station as a surprise..so nothing special really in VS
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by samsir on Mar 23, 2017 10:49 PM
Also what is important to you as sincere might not be the same for me..so I might feel some other politician as better..but in essence all politicians including VS are same..
Re: Re: Vellappally Natesan
by samsir on Mar 23, 2017 10:11 PM
Even destroying illegal buildings stopped when they reached a CPIM office.Isn't that funny?
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by samsir on Mar 23, 2017 10:18 PM
I hate natesan for sure..but CPI(M) also is no saint and VS is also no saint..that is what I wanted to say..Hence Proved!!!
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Vellappally Natesan
by piri on Mar 23, 2017 10:23 PM
You started with development.....then went to destruction......now talking about hunger for power !
Tell me. Which is more people friendly in the long term ?
The hunger for power of people like VS who chose to oppose the destruction of the ecology or the condoning of such destruction of ecology ??
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by samsir on Mar 23, 2017 10:27 PM
Yes that is the truth..the person who in opposition gave out dialogues of great idealogy when he came to power he wanted to retain it..I started with VS by the way
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Vellappally Natesan
by samsir on Mar 23, 2017 10:28 PM
More friendly politician is one (who does not exist) who will not bow in front of losing power...Well nobody exists today that way
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Vellappally Natesan
by samsir on Mar 23, 2017 10:29 PM
And of course you should be knowing his son's actions too ..did he take any action against him? why not?
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Vellappally Natesan
by samsir on Mar 23, 2017 10:47 PM
Read news..I do not remember his name...but his name many times came in TV...where he was also involved..of course now he will be free as communist is ruling..
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Vellappally Natesan
by piri on Mar 23, 2017 10:58 PM
His sons name is Arun Kumar.
After VS made life too hot for the corrupt to the core Oommen Chandy led Congress govt of 2001 - 2006 and after he continued to rise in the eyes of the people with his stance against corruption when he became CM, the Congress hatched a plot to somehow defame him. In this, they got the active assistance of the most *truthful* (pun intended) newspaper in Kerala, the Malayala Manorama.
The Congress party charged that Arun Kumar took a bribe of Rs 7 lakhs to allow sandalwood smuggling.
True to style, VS took them to court which the Congress did not expect !
Finally, after being repeatedly challenged with legal notices, Mr V D Satheesan (MLA of the Congress) admitted tongue-in-cheek in the state assembly that there *is no proof against Arun Kumar* !!
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Vellappally Natesan
by samsir on Mar 23, 2017 11:01 PM
So you agree that if there is no proof then there is no truth right? Then why is modi being pulled for 2002 till now when court has left him? I do not believe in that as i know court too..About satheeshan saying like that also I do see politics in that too as congres s people are no saints too..so compromise is in the offing anyway..
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Vellappally Natesan
by samsir on Mar 23, 2017 11:02 PM
One more question which arises is that if satheesan wants to put wrong case it can be against VS too or some other like his wife too..why his son? That is also something to think about..
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Vellappally Natesan
by samsir on Mar 23, 2017 11:06 PM
Why only his son? Why not on him or may be his paternal grand father for that matter? I am sure he is not alive but still...just joking..
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Vellappally Natesan
by samsir on Mar 23, 2017 11:09 PM
And also your story looks like some movie obviously..there was some compromise which happened which we do not know...somebody in parliament accepting that he was an a**...not able to gulp really
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Vellappally Natesan
by samsir on Mar 23, 2017 11:22 PM
So my daughter sings..daddy finger daddy finger where are you..I sing...Piri piri piri piri where are you...
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Vellappally Natesan
by piri on Mar 23, 2017 11:29 PM
Yes, I had to be away for some time.
Well, what was that ?
No proof means there is no truth ?
Leave Modi and the 2002 Godhra case. It is a totally different case with a lot more details and innumerable turns in the court cases to be equated with a false charge of a bribe taking brought by the Congress against Arun Kumar, right ?
And talking of bribes, why on earth did the Congress settle for a charge of a bribe of just Rs 7 lakhs ??
7 lakhs ??
Do the sons of chief ministers take bribes of just Rs. 7 lakhs ?
Or 70 crores as proven in some cases in some other states ?
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Vellappally Natesan
by samsir on Mar 23, 2017 11:35 PM
So the sons of CMs take 7 Lakhs is fine and not 70 crores! why? because you dictate the amount?
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Vellappally Natesan
by piri on Mar 23, 2017 11:42 PM
Well, it was the hard pressed Congress that foisted the charge of bribe taking against Arun Kumar, right ?
And the court did not even admit the writ petition !!
Well, what has all this to do with how VS nailed Natesan right in court and the latter is running around to extricate himself from ??
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by samsir on Mar 23, 2017 11:45 PM
I did not say anything on that..Nateshan is an a** anyway...but VS is also not a saint and I guess I proved it
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Vellappally Natesan
by samsir on Mar 23, 2017 11:53 PM
That is all your opinions you agree right? You wait and wait and wait and I will die..that is not correct
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Vellappally Natesan
by samsir on Mar 23, 2017 11:56 PM
When I choose CM I want my life to improve rather than someone else getting caught..well they should get caught and I will cooperate but then if my life does not improve go f*** with your stopping thrives man..not interested really
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by piri on Mar 24, 2017 12:15 AM
Catching bit time thieves is of primary importance to me as a commoner.
It is chiefly because this is not understood fully by most commoners that much of India remains a boondock comparable to Sub-Saharan countries !
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by samsir on Mar 24, 2017 12:17 AM
No i am not interested..in some way or other we also cheat...anyway I want to live a better life and that cannot be under some VS for sure
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by samsir on Mar 24, 2017 12:19 AM
Commoner wants to live before catching other theives..you are not a commoner for sure..you are sitting in a posh house and speaking this and not an indian commoner for sure..
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Vellappally Natesan
by samsir on Mar 24, 2017 12:16 AM
Yes wanted to say that VS is not a saint and I proved it too..Anyway going to sleep now..good night
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Vellappally Natesan
by samsir on Mar 24, 2017 12:20 AM
Yes when VS nailed natesan VS should be a saint right? well I proved he is not..
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Vellappally Nates
by piri on Mar 24, 2017 12:27 AM
You are going round in circles !
I talked about how Natesan is being hounded by the cases filed by VS against him.
I also said that it is more important for me that big time thieves are caught first before development takes place.
You say development (we need to inspect our respective views about development, but that will be enough material for another very long thread) must take place whether or not big thieves are caught.
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by samsir on Mar 24, 2017 12:30 AM
I say development should happen no matter some thrives are caught..I need development and I am tired of waiting for people to get hold of thieves to improve my life..
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by samsir on Mar 24, 2017 12:33 AM
I am not in a ego fight ..I am in a practical fight..I need to lead a better life...not that some thieves are caught and I get satisfaction..that way many should be inside..
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by samsir on Mar 24, 2017 12:02 AM
When I choose CM I want my life to improve rather than someone else getting caught..ego satisfaction is not my game...Well they should get caught also..but if my life does not improve go f*** with you catching thieves man...not interested really
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by samsir on Mar 24, 2017 12:04 AM
When I choose CM I want my life to improve rather than someone else getting caught..
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Vellappally Natesan
by samsir on Mar 24, 2017 12:05 AM
ego satisfaction is not my game...Well they should get caught also..but if my life does not improve go f*** with you catching thieves man...not interested really
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Vellappally Natesan
by samsir on Mar 24, 2017 12:05 AM
ego satisfaction is not my game...Well they should get caught also..
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Vellappally Natesan
by samsir on Mar 24, 2017 12:06 AM
ut if my life does not improve then catching thieves is of no use to me
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Vellappally Natesan
by samsir on Mar 24, 2017 12:03 AM
When I choose CM I want my life to improve rather than someone else getting caught..ego satisfaction is not my game...Well they should get caught also..but if my life does not improve go *** with you catching thieves man...not interested really
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Vellappally Natesan
by samsir on Mar 23, 2017 11:37 PM
I brought in both VS and development together...my first port "VS was only worth putting in cases..when he was given power, he destroyed some houses and hotels in Munnar and what development did he do? Nothing. VS is equally a dialogue only person "
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Vellappally Natesan
by samsir on Mar 23, 2017 11:38 PM
See below Piri..I have copy pasted my original post..what do you get from that?
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Vellappally Natesan
by samsir on Mar 23, 2017 11:41 PM
So you expected 70 crores? Well it does take some time for me to earn 7 Lakhs also
Re: Vellappally Natesan
by madanmohan siddhanthi on Mar 24, 2017 05:55 AM
Such filth of lowest order isa nation destroyer -see the comments we can never find worse filth
Re: Vellappally Natesan
by TKBalan Pillai on Mar 24, 2017 07:55 AM
Well said. But media is exposing ezhava community as 24%, which is not correct. If a community having 24% population of same thought can control entire kerala. If they have 24% popolation they should have ATLEAST several MLAs in State assembly.
Re: Re: Vellappally Natesan
by Manav Das on Mar 24, 2017 08:41 AM
Most communist workers are from Ezhava community. And nothing wrong with the % count.
"If they have 24% popolation they should have ATLEAST several MLAs in State assembly"
K.K. Shylaja, T.P. Ramakrishnan, V.S. Sunil Kumar, Kadakampally Surendran, AK Saseendaran, P. Thilothaman & K. Raju. Ivarokke ezhava alle. How many more you want?
