Taj Mahal was built by Mughals who are all not Indians but came from Turkey,Syria,Iran Iraq and surrounding countries.Our Indian Culture is always slaves to invaders and praise them.
"India is a country which is rich in culture and heritage".How many wars or which war we had won right from the days of Alexander's invasion. Not even one .That is the heritage.R.PONNAMBALAM
Re: Ignominy cherishing culture
by piri on Dec 20, 2017 05:39 PM
Some of the prime and living symbols of such defeat-rape are the different raxcial features (thin lips, very fair colour, thin and prominent nose, etc) of most of the people who live in Kashmir, H.P, Haryana and Punjab, the very places which lay right in the path of invading muxlim armies over the last 1000 years !
Otherwise, most other Indians - including most north Indians - have more or less the same raxcial features (thick or very thick lips, wheatish or dark skin, flat and wide noses, etc) !!
Re: Re: Ignominy cherishing culture
by R ponnabalam on Dec 20, 2017 07:44 PM
Defeat happened;cannot be undone.Nobody would smash everything on the way even if from the worst invader;that would be waste also.History should be read as history.In a country where seven faiths are in practice mixing religious faith, the spiritual space with materialistic earthly space is ---.Defending Mughal rule as benign is fine .Let history be rewritten.One might not come across things like that we see like nanakvani etc.and then everyone would say Mughal rule is benign.As it stands in 1947 India had the biggest Muslim population in the world and N.India had a mughal court language which was even not accepted by the British govt. in Bihar and Bengal for sometime .I am not at all in discussing racial affairs;I am far from that.Mine is just a opinion comparing what I had come across earlier and I come across now.Nothing more , nothing less for I pray to Mosque church temple and all,am ready to accept what all good things that come from all the three sourcesR.PONNAMBALAM
Re: Re: Re: Ignominy cherishing culture
by piri on Dec 21, 2017 10:00 AM
A large section of Haryanvis, Kashmiris, H.Pites, etc are very fair and have thin lips and thin noses only because muxlim invaders heavily married into or raxped their forebears !
If this is not entirely true, then the long debated and so called Aryan migration into India in the 2nd millennium BCE has to be true !
There is just no other reason why Haryana, H.P, Kashmir, Punjab (which lie right in the path of the numerous muxlim and perhaps Aryan invasions) have so many people with such radically different raxcial features when compared to the rest of the Indian population !
Re: Re: Re: Re: Ignominy cherishing culture
by R ponnabalam on Dec 22, 2017 09:38 AM
The fair skin affair has things to do with the the latitude, climate.The latitude of Kashmir and Mediterranean Region are the same or are near about.I recollect that my teacher had told this as the reason as to why the fair skin phenomenon in Kashmir is like that in Mediterranean climate.To put it in a lightr vein I once had a company -offered chance to go to Germany and Austria for some 20 days.When I came back I was told that I looked fairer.Far back in 1974 or so the newspaper HINDUSTAN STANDARD had posed a question about the reservation in our military for some states.That had a disturbing reality about it.I don't write it?R.PONNAMBALAM
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Ignominy cherishing culture
by R ponnabalam on Dec 22, 2017 02:43 PM
I think I have a prominent or thin nose;live in a place at a latitude of 5 to 6degree from equator.There are a good number of such prominent nose-people I find in these places.These people never had a chance to have inter racial relations.This is a topic where I have less than peripheral information.Many things have taken place for many centuries.Everything said about everything can be taken with a pinch of salt;that is my understanding.Once I read that preposition is feature of European languages but Sanskrit has post position a typical Dravidian language feature.I happened to work in Faridabad for a short while;didn't notice,or rather nothing presented itself as remarkably sharp nosed or thin lipped .It may be that I was there for a short time:or had come across cosmopolitan crowd.Or may that I had no interest in all these and so didn't observe keenly.R.PONNAMBALAM
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Ignominy cherishing culture
by R ponnabalam on Dec 22, 2017 02:44 PM
I think I have a prominent or thin nose;live in a place at a latitude of 5 to 6degree from equator.There are a good number of such prominent nose-people I find in these places.These people never had a chance to have inter racial relations.This is a topic where I have less than peripheral information.Many things have taken place for many centuries.Everything said about everything can be taken with a pinch of salt;that is my understanding.Once I read that preposition is feature of European languages but Sanskrit has post position a typical Dravidian language feature.I happened to work in Faridabad for a short while;didn't notice,or rather nothing presented itself as remarkably sharp nosed or thin lipped .It may be that I was there for a short time:or had come across cosmopolitan crowd.Or may that I had no interest in all these and so didn't observe keenly.R.PONNAMBALAM
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Ignominy cherishing culture
by piri on Dec 22, 2017 04:50 PM
Good. Now what about the strongest marker of all - thin or thick lips and colour of the pupils ?
And how many in your area have thin and prominent noses and thin and red lips and extremely fair skin ?
What proportion ?
How long can you delude yourself that such physical traits can somehow come out of even the negrito or the negrito draxvidian raxces ?
You mean the latitudes will determine the shape of the noses and that of the lips and the colour of the pupils too ??
Really ?
So, why is not even one Indian in the U.S.A (out of around 4 million) not coming anywhere near any person of the white raxce (the Caucasian raxce) in these facial features even after the families of many of them have lived there for 4 generations ??
And why did Englishmen don't moult into people with Indian looks even after their families living in India for several generations during the British Raj ?
Do read up on anthropology and genetic science and genome analyses (there have been plenty of research efforts and survey reports) to avoid blurting out inanities like you have done here !
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Ignominy cherishing culture
by R ponnabalam on Dec 22, 2017 02:44 PM
I think I have a prominent or thin nose;live in a place at a latitude of 5 to 6degree from equator.There are a good number of such prominent nose-people I find in these places.These people never had a chance to have inter racial relations.This is a topic where I have less than peripheral information.Many things have taken place for many centuries.Everything said about everything can be taken with a pinch of salt;that is my understanding.Once I read that preposition is feature of European languages but Sanskrit has post position a typical Dravidian language feature.I happened to work in Faridabad for a short while;didn\'t notice,or rather nothing presented itself as remarkably sharp nosed or thin lipped .It may be that I was there for a short time:or had come across cosmopolitan crowd.Or may that I had no interest in all these and so didn\'t observe keenly.R.PONNAMBALAM
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Ignominy cherishing culture
by R ponnabalam on Dec 22, 2017 09:56 AM
Any common man ,once an ordinary student from ordinary school would think that the problem is in retelling History to suit vote needs in election.When the information available in internet unexpectedly rolls out & one when reads it he is given to believe that in India history is taught filtered fashion thereby those who committed atrocities claim to be victims.That the population of a particular religion in India in 1947 was the biggest population of that religion in any country in the world is common knowledge .Nobody would believe that the people went to the King and asked them to be converted.That the Mughal court practiced language was not once accepted by the British for Bihar and Bengal is also available in that write up. R,PONNAMBALAM
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Ignominy cherishing culture
by piri on Dec 22, 2017 10:20 AM
You are desperately trying to delude yourself !
Fair skin is just one among several distinctive racial features !
What about thick or thin lips, flat or narrow and prominent nose, colour of pupils, colour and type of hair, etc ??
These features dont change one bit with climate !!
Take a typically negrito draxvidian tamilian family (with thick lips, roundish noses and wavy black hair and black pupils) and make them live either in the Mediterranean or northern Europe for 1 or 2 generations. Their children will be born after a generation with exactly the same features !
Lightening of the skin tone over a period is not racial change !
Even 4th generation Indians in Canada look very much negrito draxvidian as most north Indians !
There were many British officer families who lived in India for generations during the raj. Their features did not change one bit unless they cross bred with native Indians !
Who has forgotten the ignominy suffered.We don't pretend to have been a victor against those plundering ,rape committing Invaders.A question in Union Public service examination in 1964 or so was:THE HISTORY OF INDIA IS THE HISTORY OF INVASIONS ON INDIA-DISCUSS.NO NEED TO REMIND R.PONNAMBALAM
'to remind', They do remind what is in history; .the defeat of India;the savagery, rape plundering committed(one can read nanakvani available in internet)on India and wonder where have all the temples and other places of worship vanished in northern india when they are there in South India Westeren India and eastern India.There is no need to remind.No Indian has forgotten the savagery ignominy rape plundering destruction the country had suffered at the hands of the invader from Samarkund and his clan.Internet would show that once urdu was not recognized in Bihar and W.Bengal when the British ruled.R.PONNAMBALAM
First, the safety, honour and welfare of your country come first, always and every time.Not the honour of invader's victory and plundering,rape,defilement of national buildings of various nature of that time.R.PONNAMBALAM
Invader legacy is an invader legacy first and ever.Chetwode Motto that ought to be etched firmly in the heart of us all is".First, the safety, honour and welfare of your country come first, always and every time.If we do not etch that motto in our hearts and act accordingly that motto there in IMA is mere waste "Invasion ,plunder, savagery,rape,proselitization to make this country in 1947 to have the biggest population of that invader religion's population are monumental failures and ignominy that the country suffered .Every country dismantles invader and colonial legacies,We did dismantle British legacy with glee,The previous invader legacy also have to be dismantled.R.PONNAMBALAM
Who says this our culture? All these so called world heritage buildings are actually cause of shame on us. We were slaves of foreigner Moghals. We hate all such buildings. While we are proud of our parliament house, India gate, gateway of India, President house etc which are built by the Indian britishers.
Re: Our culture
by K Bhaskaran on Dec 23, 2017 10:43 AM
Who are or were Indian britishers? Are/were they Indians, Britishers and who built Indian monuments: Not mere buildings but a symbol of our culture
