Indian Air force is starving for last 25 years for latest aircrafts of new generation. Congress failed to give a single paper plane as well.
Now elite pilots are dying daily in MIGs. Government has done very smart move. It does not have commission agents like congress used to have. Simply purchasing off the shelves product.later they can force France to provide more aircrafts with technology transfer.
This company choose by congress not BJP. since lot of time wasted in testing and analysis so no point in starting 10 15 year process again.
AS always kiri kir fellows.hal is our pride but it can not produce other than LCV. there are diiferent types of same aircrafts DA cab service is more capable unlike hal.some time bck they were ready to close also during upa time
Re: Rafale Deal
by arungopal agarwal on Dec 04, 2017 11:33 AM
Whosoever does the job, only Indian is doing, how it matters whether HAL or anyone else. In govt. sector, govt. loose money as everyone eats and high degree of non accountability, whereas in private sector only few can eat, but job is done.
Re: Rafales
by paul theo on Jul 21, 2018 09:58 AM
AMBANI PAID FOR THE 2014 ELECTIONS OF THE BJP, NOW IT IS PAY BACK TIME, IT IS A BIG SCAM, NEXT YEAR ALL OF THEM WILL BE BEHIND BARS
Budget of our government tenders is always few multiple times the actual cost with the profit of the seller. There is no control on the expenses may be coz its the easy money obtained by them from every citizen working hard for his own family. No body is allowed to challenge the rates charged or paid by the government and general people do not have time to run with the files for years which are there in the hands of government official. Any unknown letter challenging a good and cost effective contractor is entertained but vice versa there is no action against the corrupt contractors.
Re: bribes and corruption
by paul theo on Jul 21, 2018 09:59 AM
ORGANISED LOOT IS GOING ON, HOW CAN A PRIVATE COMPANY WITH NO EXPERIENCE IN MAKING AIRCRAFT BE GIVEN SUCH A BIG CONTRACT? DONT WE HAVE HAL.? WHY THIS FAVOURITISM?
As someone who has spent a decade in the Plans Branch of Air HQ, I find this debate unfortunate. We have purchased over US$10 billion from US in govt to govt weapon sales, but never raised doubts. Since sixties, we have similarly purchased nearly all defence equipment from USSR/Russia, but never raised doubts. This was a unique govt to govt intervention when commercial negotiations were stalled. It is too simplistic a notion to calculate costs per aircraft, as this has to be done for the system, including vital missiles and weapons . For obvious reasons these can not be disclosed. All commercial quotations provided by vendors are in commercial confidence for the cutomer only and can not be publicised . DA will provide Performance Based Logistic Support for five years to two Squadrons against the earlier proposal of one Squadron. Further they are commited to a minimum of 75% serviceability. These contractual commitments are a major advantage, and never been undertaken by any earlier supplier to the IAF including HAL. To a combat force these have tremendous operational and support value and can not be quantified in monetary terms. To lower this debate to mere higher unit costs being paid, without weighing these against operational returns not only exposes our hollowed understanding of operational imperatives, but is an unfortunate political red herring needing a swift burial. Let CAG catch any wrongdoing when they audit the purchase. Please do not poiticise military
Re: Rafale Purchase
by piri on Dec 02, 2017 05:05 PM
Before we come to your points one by one, shall we discuss the elephant in the room ?
When a controversy that stinks of loot is discussed, no one can afford to ignore the presence of the biggest sticking point and yet hope to be convincing, can he ?
What about the Rs 30000 crore deal given to Reliance Defence Limited by Dassault at the expense of the public sector HAL in the earlier agreement ?
What could be the reason ?
Is it because RDL has some unmatched legacy and capabilities in defence manufacturing/servicing that the lowly HAL can only dream of ?
Re: Rafale Purchase
by Sudarshan Nityananda on Dec 02, 2017 06:03 PM
Sir, it is very obvious that even the residual price after allowing for Meteor missiles and performance logistics is quite a bit higher than the original tender. Only a small part can be explained by inflation at the agreed 3,9% per annum. WHat has really happened is that the NDA Govt has paid extra amounts so that the French can fund the offset investments at no cost to themselves Also, it has been deliberately done to bail out a sinking Anil Ambani Group, which is saddled with huge debts.If A Raja fiddled the 2G deals to favour some telcos, what Mr Modi has done is no different.
Re: Re: Rafale Purchase
by Vijayalakshmi on Dec 02, 2017 10:53 PM
What rubbish! The NDA is not corrupt like the UPA! We have an honest, hard-working and efficient Govt in India now!
Re: Re: Re: Re: Rafale Purchase
by P S SHAH on Dec 04, 2017 09:34 AM
stinking komaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaali, do you think you are defence expert ? Instead of having bald, vague and wild allegations all the time, if have guts, gather evidence of corruption and file complaint with appropriate authority instead of continuing your never ending kraaa.....kraaa.....kraaaaaaa... all the time as per your habit.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Rafale Purchase
by paul theo on Jul 21, 2018 10:02 AM
THE LIKES OF PSS WILL SUPPORT THE MOST CORRUPT BECAUSE THEY ARE GUJJUS, KICK OUT THESE CORRUPT RASCALS NEXT YEAR, NEW DRAMA IN PARLIAMENT, PEOPLE KNOW THE TRUTH, INVESTIGATE SHAH AND HIS BANK,CHECK ALL THEIR TRANSACTIONS DURING DEMONETIZATION
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Rafale Purchase
by paul theo on Jul 21, 2018 10:03 AM
THE LIKES OF PSS WILL SUPPORT THE MOST CORRUPT BECAUSE THEY ARE GUJJUS, KICK OUT THESE CORRUPT RASCALS NEXT YEAR, NEW DRAMA IN PARLIAMENT, PEOPLE KNOW THE TRUTH, INVESTIGATE SHAH AND HIS BANK,CHECK ALL THEIR TRANSACTIONS DURING DEMONETIZATION
Re: Re: Re: Re: Rafale Purchase
by rohit malhotra on Jul 21, 2018 12:04 PM
Piri for PM.... Join congress and u are my candidate for PM! or are u already a member of congress??
Re: Re: Rafale Purchase
by Sudeep Sharma on Jan 03, 2018 09:38 AM
Original UPA deal to buy 136 RAFALE with TRANSFER OF TECHNOLOGY was much better as IAF is facing serious trouble with an ageing fleet of fighter planes. Reliance defence has not even manufactured the bolt of a fighter plane, its very strange that instead of Hindustan aeronautics limited ( HAL), RELIANCE was chosen for offset clause. A CAG enqury will unravell the truth.
Re: Rafale Purchase
by paul theo on Jul 21, 2018 10:07 AM
ALL THIS DRAMA IN PARIAMENT IS TO DEFEND HIS RICH FRIENDS, PEOPLE ARE NOT FOOLS, OPEN LOOT GOING ON
As someone who has spent a decade in the Plans Branch of Air HQ, I find this debate unfortunate. We have purchased over US$10 billion from US in govt to govt weapon sales, but never raised doubts. Since sixties, we have similarly purchased nearly all defence equipment from USSR/Russia, but never raised doubts. This was a unique govt to govt intervention when commercial negotiations were stalled. It is too simplistic a notion to calculate costs per aircraft, as this has to be done for the system, including vital missiles and weapons . For obvious reasons these can not be disclosed. All commercial quotations provided by vendors are in commercial confidence for the cutomer only and can not be publicised . DA will provide Performance Based Logistic Support for five years to two Squadrons against the earlier proposal of one Squadron. Further they are commited to a minimum of 75% serviceability. These contractual commitments are a major advantage, and never been undertaken by any earlier supplier to the IAF including HAL. To a combat force these have tremendous operational and support value and can not be quantified in monetary terms. To lower this debate to mere higher unit costs being paid, without weighing these against operational returns not only exposes our hollowed understanding of operational imperatives, but is an unfortunate political red herring needing a swift burial. Let CAG catch any wrongdoing when they audit the purchase. Please do not poiticise military
We are living in an age of sold out media and cheap propagandist internet.
IN the face of this sh^t load of analysts and commentators who resort to any trick under the sun to get some web space, the government has two options
- Entire government machinery to be deployed to convince and educate people to not to fall prey to sensationalism
Second option is , whenever any media person or any one resorts to misinformation, ask him or her to prove it with sources ( and give all the resources they need , all the access to files etc). If they fail to prove, put them in prison and try them for treason.
We are living in an age of sold out media and cheap propagandist internet.
IN the face of this sh^t load of analysts and commentators who resort to any trick under the sun to get some web space, the government has two options
ONE - Entire government machinery to be deployed to convince and educate people to not to fall prey to sensationalism and explain them the nittygrities of Internal security , Defense and economy and policy matters. This is however is not an option because for each argument, this low life maggots of media and opposition have louder, worse and more irrational counter argument.
So the second option is , whenever any media person or any one CASTS doubts and resorts to misinformation, ask him or her to prove it ( and give all the resources they need , all the access to files etc). If they fail to prove, put them in prison and revoke all the journalist passes etc.
