The analytical framework which secular Indian journalists bring forth to decry lack of scientific temper is not the only one available for inference making. If the toiling masses who for ages supposedly live in karmic stupor, receive an alternate vision, however tall a tale, and however short of truth, a big step forward in breaking the old stratified order would have taken place.
Societal learning is a different kettle of tea than institutional ones. Ground has been broken, a social legitimacy created to articulate Indian achievements, perceived or real. Over time standards shall improve and gems will be sifted out of this vast data mining effort. Indian perception about themselves shall change for better and may successfully unleash the humongous potential for experimentation and innovation. This new found confidence, even while it stumbles on and off, is surely worth carrying on.
Re: Nay Sayers surely have a point, but they miss the new line of
by Ramesh on Jan 16, 2015 06:41 AM
Naysayers surely have a point, but they miss the new line of thought.
Re: slave mentality
by Ramesh on Jan 16, 2015 07:22 AM
What you say is instinctively correct. Successful Indians prefer to be on the right side of the glass wall White man has created!
However, negative think does more harm than good. Better to think constructively about great contribution White man has made to building the modern world and deal on even terms.
The western pretense that all good ancient science, and philosophy was done only by Greeks and Romans shall end only if valid inferences can be drawn with substantive evidence from other lands, particularly India and China.
Mythology is the term introduced by British to brainwash Hindus that all our past culture is Myth whereas only west culture is reality. Foolish Indians still use this word "mythology". That way, where is the scientific proof for history of all other religions and their deities as well? Why question only Hindu history?
Science need not be placed in contrast to Oriental Wisdom. The European History witnessed how Scientists paid price at the hands of dogmatic religionists. Such adversity was never experienced in India from times immemorial. And if we Now Know a Phenomenon as Science, well it did exist before also..and our Ancients have used Tapas as a way in most cases. Some may be imagination like Julesvern, but as many tested by them and reality in different fields of science and technology..and today we have no right to dismiss them.
Re: Science and Ancient wisdom
by Aftab on Jan 13, 2015 10:11 AM
We have no right to dismiss the claims made in ancient books. But we have a right to agree to disagree with such claims.
These things should not be discussed in science congress and should never be included in the text books.
Our list of achievement is second to none in the world and we should be proud to be descendant of wise generations.
We should invest money and time to record all those achievement which can be proved in one section and those that can not be substantiated due to lack of evidence.
At least spare us from embarrassment and do not take back to us to those days when the world wrongly believed that we are a nation of snake charmers.
Re: Re: Science and Ancient wisdom
by Ramesh on Jan 16, 2015 07:46 AM
After,
You say these things should not be discussed in Science congress, but why? Speculation ought to be freely permitted, discipline is needed only in inference making. Scientific temper does not preclude wild speculation or religious beliefs, as many Nehruvians seem to perceive. That human mind is inherently irrational and rational thought co-exists with it, needs to be understood. The risk of doctrinaire thinking do exists, but the antidote to it is not suppressing free speculation but intellectual integrity in inference making.
How else do you propose to unravel the insights and mysteries our ancients dwelled upon in the past?
To paint everything ancient Indian as black, Brahminical etc. is hobby of some people. One has to be open to correctness of ideas from all sides, and should not submit to the slavery of West and anti-Indian culture.
As far as Indian medicine is concerned, the claim that pre-historic surgeons used hundreds of instruments, instead of daring to ridicule it, you should have gone to the Science Museum in Pragati Maidan, Delhi (and in many other Indian cities) to see the re-created surgical instruments re-created by the scientists trained in modern scientific methods (and they all are not from R.S.S.!). Tibet House in Lodi Estate, New Delhi has re-published an old manuscript on Indian (not Hindu or Buddhist) medicinal system.
All your examples are of foreign despots, which you are imposing upon India to prove your point wrongly. What Hitler or Stalin did, we are not responsible for that. It is the Indian (aryan and non-aryan both) science has been expunged in Indian educational system till date. It is your system which is unscientific, where you are rejecting a thing without testing it empirically, which shows bias-ness of your mind. Is talking about Ayush equal to talking about guns? Such an ignorant article this is...
Re: Why
by sam raj on Jan 13, 2015 07:17 AM
Sanskrit come to exists only after Mauryan dynasty, Brahmin general Pushyamitra Sunga assassinated last Mauryan king and established Sunga dynasty that is the starting point for injection of controversial writings and what we study today is a translated winner story who has destroyed both Prakrit and Buddhism out of India. It is also cleverly claimed that Sanskrit is a refined version of Prakrit, actually it is not, if that is true then we all would have followed Buddhism in India without the social discrimination evils
If one travel to Thailand could see the complete Ramayana characters and Prakrit/Pali version which shows Sanskrit is not the source of Ramayana epics and it is just a translation from Prakrit and claimed as owners
The article exposes lies of the ruling party. What they are claiming to be 7000 years old is a paper fabrication called vyaminica castra in 1904 Subbaraya Shastry from Anekal — not by a Rishi Bharadwaja. Drawing were done by an engineering student called Shri Ellappa. Aerospace engineers of Indian institute of science examined its claims and dismissed it as early as 1974.
Re: Re: Re: fabrication
by sajiv singla on Jan 12, 2015 02:43 PM
SOME GUYS ARE SO INTELLECTUALLY SICK AND DISHONEST ,THAT THEY CAN NOT TOLERATE ANY THOUGHT THAT SOME GREAT MINDS EXISTED IN ANCIENT INDIA...POSSIBLY BECAUSE THEY WERE hINDUS
Re: Re: Re: Re: fabrication
by qwert poiuy on Jan 12, 2015 02:52 PM
They werent, Most great minds were during the age of the buddha, the mauryan age. Thats what makes you jealous. you cant give credit to their achievements so you dig out utter krap and claim as your achievement
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: fabrication
by Ravi PV on Jan 12, 2015 03:22 PM
@ qwert poiuy; or whatever ur name is; u seem to be the worst product of 67 years of 'secular' misrule in our country.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: fabrication
by RCSastry on Jan 12, 2015 06:34 PM
Buddha came much later to Santana Dharma: and in fundamentals did not greatly differ from Santana Dharma. Since you did not have adequate knowledge of true Indian history, one can excuse for your blind arguments. But Truth is Truth.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: fabrication
by sam raj on Jan 13, 2015 06:52 AM
You are perfectly right, great minds works were translated from Prakrit into Sanskrit and today we are forced to believe that everything (source) is from Sanskrit.
It is also true that Brahmins have contributed to preserve the knowledge base over a period of time but they also injected controversial writing to claim their supremacy.
