AAAP PUTTING PRIVATE SECTOR ON BACK-FOOT IS VERY TRUE.
WHAT WILL BE THE SIDE-EFFECTS ?
PRIVATE SECTOR WILL SUFFER. AND JOB CUT AND SALARY CUT WILL BE THE NEXT STEP. IMPORTS WILL INCREASE HENCE THE CAD WILL INCREASE. AND CYCLE GOES ON INCREASING PRICES AND INFLATION.
IS THERE ANY ONE WITH DIFFERENT VIEW ?
IS THERE ANY ONE THINK THAT, PUTTING PRIVATE SECTOR ON BACK-FOOT WILL BRING VERY VERY BRIGHT FUTURE TO ALL THE PEOPLE AND ALL THE NATION ?
LIFE IS BEAUTIFUL. AND TOGETHER WE CAN MAKE IT MORE BEAUTIFUL.
AAAP PUTTING PRIVATE SECTOR ON BACK-FOOT IS VERY TRUE.
WHAT WILL BE THE SIDE-EFFECTS ?
PRIVATE SECTOR WILL SUFFER. AND JOB CUT AND SALARY CUT WILL BE THE NEXT STEP. IMPORTS WILL INCREASE HENCE THE CAD WILL INCREASE. AND CYCLE GOES ON INCREASING PRICES AND INFLATION.
IS THERE ANY ONE WITH DIFFERENT VIEW ?
IS THERE ANY ONE THINK THAT, PUTTING PRIVATE SECTOR ON BACK-FOOT WILL BRING VERY VERY BRIGHT FUTURE TO ALL THE PEOPLE AND ALL THE NATION ?
LIFE IS BEAUTIFUL. AND TOGETHER WE CAN MAKE IT MORE BEAUTIFUL.
Re: AAAP PUTTING PRIVATE SECTOR ON BACK-FOOT IS VERY TRUE.
by ASTANGYOG on Feb 02, 2015 04:54 AM
EVEN IF HE LOOSE THIS ELECTION LOOSING SD TOO. HE HAD PLENTY OF MONEY FOR HIS SAT_PIDHIYA. HE COLLECTED IT IN AND NAME OF ELECTION FUND AND NGO DONATIONs.
Taking your argument at face value and believing that the L0rd is inconsequential in the operation of l@w of K@rma, what is the point in revering, worshipping and praying to him ? Infact, it is the l@w of K@rma which controls our destiny, is supreme and has the full authority. Humans, animals and insects become just like robots in the play of k@rma where they have to bear the consequences in birth after birth. So, what is the role of a Super Natural in this life game ? Can you explain??
Re: DEAR MR. INDIAN - ANOTHER DOUBT
by Indian on Jan 14, 2015 12:19 PM
I never said, "G0d is inconsequential". Please mark my words very carefully. You are trying to understand VedAnta and you are so casual in jumping to conclusions !! VedAnta is a difficult subject. You must be serious to understand this.
Re: Re: DEAR MR. INDIAN - ANOTHER DOUBT
by Indian on Jan 14, 2015 12:26 PM
Now the answer :
G0d is not controlled by Laws of Nature. G0d also has power of showering grace to help you. So, prayer helps.
Second and most important thing I want to point out here that unlike other religions "attaining heaven" is an inferior spiritual goal in H!ndu Dharma. If you are seeking only worldly comforts and heaven after death ... you can rely upon your efforts alone.
Re: Re: Re: DEAR MR. INDIAN - ANOTHER DOUBT
by Indian on Jan 14, 2015 12:30 PM
Next doubt has come because you have not read my posts carefully. What is Karma ? Karma is impressions in conditioned consciousenss (our mind acting through brain). These impressions are like seeds for bringing forth opportunities and environment in future. But your power of discrimination is with you and in what way you use it will alter the happenings of present and the future.
Re: Re: Re: Re: DEAR MR. INDIAN - ANOTHER DOUBT
by Vascado on Jan 14, 2015 12:50 PM
Well the point is I have no control over my actions according to the law of karma when it transcends my birth and is a cycle. We are always a victim of the environment and the circumstances we live in. Suppose I face the music in this life for my sins in earlier life and an environment & circumstances are created in such a fashion devised by the law of karma, I will only be forced to do ev1l things as a response to the atrocities committed against me.
Re: Re: Re: Re: DEAR MR. INDIAN - ANOTHER DOUBT
by Vascado on Jan 14, 2015 12:50 PM
Well the point is I have no control over my actions according to the law of karma when it transcends my birth and is a cycle. We are always a victim of the environment and the circumstances we live in. Suppose I face the music in this life for my sins in earlier life and an environment & circumstances are created in such a fashion devised by the law of karma, I will only be forced to do ev1l things as a response to the atrocities committed against me.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: DEAR MR. INDIAN - ANOTHER DOUBT
by Nandakumar Chandran on Jan 14, 2015 06:29 PM
not necessarily. if you have the wisdom to understand that what is happening to you is due to what you have done (in current or previous births) and you don't want to accumulate more karma, then you learn to 'show the other cheek'.
Re: Re: Re: DEAR MR. INDIAN - ANOTHER DOUBT
by Vascado on Jan 14, 2015 12:45 PM
If the law of karma is for real and steered by none and operates independent, G0d has no power as such to interfere in our life whatsoever. How can the two be for real when they are self-contradictory ?
Re: Re: DEAR MR. INDIAN - ANOTHER DOUBT
by Vascado on Jan 14, 2015 12:43 PM
If it is such a complex subject, how did you understand Vedanta ? Moreover, my logical question is what is the role of a Supreme if l@w of K@rma is indeed for real ? You are not answering it straight at all.
Re: Re: Re: DEAR MR. INDIAN - ANOTHER DOUBT
by Indian on Jan 14, 2015 12:49 PM
If you cannot want to understand I cannot make you understand. Let's say good bye to each other. If you feel that I didn't answer your questions well ... it doesn't matter. Does it ?
Re: Re: Re: Re: DEAR MR. INDIAN - ANOTHER DOUBT
by Vascado on Jan 14, 2015 12:52 PM
Well you have taken an escape route and I wish you good. But you still have not answered whether you have understood it as you yourself claimed it is only possible for spiritually advanced. Are you spiritually advanced ?
Re: Re: Re: Re: DEAR MR. INDIAN - ANOTHER DOUBT
by Vascado on Jan 14, 2015 12:53 PM
Well you have taken an escape route and I wish you good with no hard feelings. It was a nice debate. But you still have not answered whether you have understood it as you yourself claimed it is only possible for spiritually advanced. Are you spiritually advanced ?
Re: Re: Re: Re: DEAR MR. INDIAN - ANOTHER DOUBT
by Indian on Jan 14, 2015 12:53 PM
Or to make it short, you can assume that I am incapable to make you understand.
Good bye, dear Vascado ! I am not aware how old you are but I would advise you to study VedAnta if you are interested in real spirituality. Take care.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: DEAR MR. INDIAN - ANOTHER DOUBT
by Vascado on Jan 14, 2015 02:20 PM
I just want to know whether you understood its utility in the first place as you did once claim here that it can be deciphered only by the spiritually advanced. In that case, the question arises as to whether you are spiritually advanced to make such claims ? Nevertheless, good bye to you. I appreciate your patience in this debate to hear other view points and it is a noble quality not many can afford. Regarding your advise, well, the fact is I have read Vedanta to an extent but couldn't make anything special about it as it was not appealing to my logical faculties. And so, I didn't take much pain to go deep into the subject. Thanks. Have nice feelings.
Re: Re: Re: Re: DEAR MR. INDIAN - ANOTHER DOUBT
by Vascado on Jan 14, 2015 12:55 PM
Well you have taken an escape route and I wish you good with no hard feelings. It was a nice debate. But you still have not answered whether you have understood it as you yourself claimed it is only possible for spiritually advanced. Are you spiritually advanced ?
Taking your argument at face value and believing that the L0rd is inconsequential in the operation of l@w of K@rma, what is the point in revering, worshipping and praying to him ? Infact, it is the l@w of K@rma which controls our destiny, is supreme and has the full authority. Humans, animals and insects become just like robots in the play of k@rma where they have to bear the consequences in birth after birth. So, what is the role of a Super Natural in this life game ? Can you explain??
Re: DEAR MR. INDIAN - ANOTHER DOUBT
by King Kong on Jan 31, 2015 06:35 PM
You are an Atheist, right? One question, how did this Law of Karma came into existence, which not only controls every living being but also ALL the universal bodies? Automatically??? Did you ever wondered that our Sun, Moon, etc., follows the rules to rise & set each & everyday without fail? We can fail, but if they fails to do their job, what will happen?
You should be clear what you are discussing and what answers are being given. You first talked about Atharva Deva and how it can talk about healing by mantras being such an authoritative scripture. I am right ? On that I stated that this was samhita part of the Veda and in another post I stated that followers of Samhita part of Veda were defeated in debate by Shankaracharya and VedAnta is considered superior to Samhita part (even though both are parts of same Veda). Now you linked it to Laws of Karma and said that I said something being inferior to another on this issue .... ???? What is this ? Please read my posts again.
Re: Re: My dear Vascado !
by Indian on Jan 14, 2015 09:14 AM
[quote]It was you who claimed that teachings of BG are radically different from the H1ndu l@w of k@rma when you classified the later as vastly inferior.[/quote]
You should prove this. I said something different and you are using it for something entirely different thing !! Is this the way to discuss ??
Re: My dear Vascado !
by Vascado on Jan 14, 2015 10:23 AM
See I was clear in what I was pointing out. I was dealing with the universal view of H1ndu l@w of k@rma which was predicated on rebirth, deeds, mukthi and heaven (Some Hindu texts claim mukthi is the ultimate aim while some others claim it as heaven). I was not dealing with any particular text as such as I very well know many texts within the H1ndu fold contradict one another with some even dismissive of it like the Karvaka. I never said I was taking the view from the Ved@ or that. Mine were just the logical fall out of the H1ndu version of l@w of K@rma when we correlate it with its root concept which has numerous logical constraints . It was you who claimed that BG was different and had different connotations. You also claimed it as superior and classified the other as inferior. I am not sure on what authority you did it but you claimed that Shank@racharya defeated K@rmakand!s etc. But when you said that in this context, I thought you infact were countering the universal view on H1ndu l@w of K@rma. Many in this forum were infact negating the rebirth concept itself as a fall out of k@rma.
Re: Re: My dear Vascado !
by Indian on Jan 14, 2015 12:16 PM
[quote]It was you who claimed that BG was different and had different connotations. You also claimed it as superior and classified the other as inferior.[/quote]
I never said this. Please check my posts. This is a lie. What are you saying and why ??
Re: Re: Re: My dear Vascado !
by Vascado on Jan 14, 2015 12:56 PM
Then what is really the point in specifically bringing BG and Vedanta as such and branding Veda as inferior ? You could have directly addressed the theory ?
Re: Re: Re: My dear Vascado !
by Vascado on Jan 14, 2015 12:57 PM
Then what is really the point in specifically bringing BG and Vedanta as such and branding Veda as inferior ? You could have directly addressed the theory ?
"Those who are envious and mischievous, who are the lowest among men, I perpetually cast into transmigration, into various demoniac species of life" (16,19). And also: "Those who worship me and surrender all their activities unto me, being devoted to me without hesitation, engaged in devotional service and meditating unto me, I deliver them quickly from the ocean of birth and death" (12,6-7).
Re: DEAR INDIAN - INFACT KRISHNA STEERS LAW OF KARMA ACCORDING TO
by Indian on Jan 14, 2015 09:22 AM
No, the heading is incorrect. He says very clearly in BG 5.14 : "Lord doesn't create the ownership of action, doesn't create the actions and also doesn't create the fruits of any action. It is the Nature that works."
Re: Re: DEAR INDIAN - INFACT KRISHNA STEERS LAW OF KARMA ACCORDIN
by Vascado on Jan 14, 2015 09:59 AM
That is the root of the problem, these verses contradict them. Verses 16,19 and 12,6-7 contradict BG 5.14 ?
Re: Re: DEAR INDIAN - INFACT KRISHNA STEERS LAW OF KARMA ACCORDIN
by Vascado on Jan 14, 2015 10:00 AM
That is the root of the problem, these verses contradict them. Verses 16,19 and 12,6-7 contradict BG 5.14 ? And they are all incorporated in BG making one wonder as to what the author really wants to convey when he himself is confused ??
Re: Re: Re: DEAR INDIAN - INFACT KRISHNA STEERS LAW OF KARMA ACCO
by Indian on Jan 14, 2015 12:14 PM
If you cannot understand then it doesn't mean it is contradictory. The message of BG cannot be taken in such fashion.
Re: Re: Re: Re: DEAR INDIAN - INFACT KRISHNA STEERS LAW OF KARMA
by Vascado on Jan 14, 2015 12:59 PM
Well a simple lay man who knows fundamental english can understand its contradiction which is very clear. That is the problem when you are wedded to any idea or dogma, it curbs your rational thinking.
Re: DEAR INDIAN - INFACT KRISHNA STEERS LAW OF KARMA ACCORDING TO
by Indian on Jan 14, 2015 09:31 AM
The verse you have quoted shows the indirect command of the Lord over fruits of actions. This is because Nature is Inert unless powered by Br ahman or G0d. And so, the laws of Karma must have the sanction of the Lord. But he doesn't interfere in application of laws.
The second verse talks about His grace which should seen differently.
Re: Re: DEAR INDIAN - INFACT KRISHNA STEERS LAW OF KARMA ACCORDIN
by Vascado on Jan 14, 2015 10:06 AM
Indirect is your interpretation. The verse is very clear, concise and it says that if you reverse, worship and surrender to him, the L0rd will free you from the birth cycle which explicitly means that he directly intervenes and meddles in the operation of K@rma making it inconsequential. I am not here talking about natural laws. I am talking about changing the destiny and the verse above is very clear where it says the L0rd will free one from the birth and death cycle which ofcourse works contradictory to the l@w of k@rma. And here you are defending the indefensible ?
Re: Re: Re: DEAR INDIAN - INFACT KRISHNA STEERS LAW OF KARMA ACCO
by Indian on Jan 14, 2015 12:12 PM
It is not my interpretation. VedAnta is subject which is difficult to understand by mind. This is because, the Reality is beyond all mental concepts. If such things bother you, you will be completely baffled by reading whole of VedAnta !
This is why knowledge of VedAnta is to be imparted to only the deserving ones by a qualified teacher.Hindu Dharma is different from other religions on this issue. Everyone is not authorised to interpret its meaning just be reading it literally.
Re: Re: Re: Re: DEAR INDIAN - INFACT KRISHNA STEERS LAW OF KARMA
by Vascado on Jan 14, 2015 01:03 PM
This is what the proponents of every f@ith claims. Difficult to comprehend and understand ? Even for seeking G0d, we are fed with the same statement. Difficult to comprehend and understand by sensual experience ? But these same people will be quick to point out the missing links in evolution theory and quick to dismiss it citing it as a faultline to repose their confidence, while numerous logical loop holes will be side stepped just on the premise of being difficult to understand when it comes to their faith.
Didn't you label me as ignorant ? Didn't you chide me that I never understood the law of karma etc. etc. Did I feel offended then ? What is that I have said has infuriated you ? I just stated what you said when you claimed one as superior and another as inferior and that is in the sixth page which you can go and refer for yourself and I have already produced the words you quoted below to recollect your memory.
Re: DEAR INDIAN - SUCH THINGS ARE COMMON IN A DISCUSSION
by Indian on Jan 14, 2015 09:17 AM
I didn't distort any of your statements. Please check this. In fact, I kept responding because your points were valid.
Re: Re: DEAR INDIAN - SUCH THINGS ARE COMMON IN A DISCUSSION
by Vascado on Jan 14, 2015 10:33 AM
You never distorted. But you questioned my knowledge ? Now when you say my points are valid, I am feeling pleased.
Did I feel offended when you claimed me as ignorant/that I didn't know anything about K@arma literally chiding me as an 1diot. Why is that you get infuriated with my mild attack ?
Re: DEAR INDIAN - PLEASE PONDER OVER
by Indian on Jan 14, 2015 09:46 AM
That was none of my motive. I never discuss to belittle anyone. I apologise if you felt so.
Re: Re: DEAR INDIAN - PLEASE PONDER OVER
by Vascado on Jan 14, 2015 11:03 AM
Thank you Indian for your clarification. Please also forgive me, if I had said anything to personally offend you.
Re: DEAR INDIAN - THERE IS NO POINT IN FEELING OFFENDED
by Indian on Jan 14, 2015 09:34 AM
I agree but you linked it to the Hindu Laws of Karma etc. which is objected to by me.
Re: Re: DEAR INDIAN - THERE IS NO POINT IN FEELING OFFENDED
by Indian on Jan 14, 2015 09:37 AM
I never said that teachings of BG are radically different from H!ndu Law of K@arma. I was only explaining what is there is in BG. BG is considered fully authoritative on the Laws of Karma. BG talks on JnAn Yoga, Karma Yoga and Bhakti Yoga and these teachings are echoed in VedAnta.
Re: Re: DEAR INDIAN - THERE IS NO POINT IN FEELING OFFENDED
by Vascado on Jan 14, 2015 11:07 AM
When you were disputing my thoughts which you said were based on the supposedly inferior V@da Samh1ta and brought up BG and Vedanta to broaden your argument, that was the impression I got. But if you didn't really meant it in that way. Then it is okay.
