well done protest!...but my view is that some mining should be allowed. the land should be leased only. so after a certain time period of years it reverts to forest again. The people should be compensated. ofcourse it would be good for all if we have some renewable energy source but ..there arent any at moment. (large scale solar energy seems a long way still)
Mining should be done but this Govt should have made proper policy which is not there and that is the problem.Mining should be given in auction. for each tree cut say 5 should be planted and looked after 5 yrs by mining co. The people affected should be given housing, schools and colleges and even a town ship thus they get full facilities there.They should also be given jobs in mining etc. instead of these either stop mining or take bribe and allow Cos to do just mining? Hence it is the failure of Govt to bring in and implement good policy. Stopping is not the solution.
Environmental extremists talk of forest rights. Anpadh tribal knows nothing. Now the same mining rights will be given to some firangi company with 100 percent FDI and the same GreenP1ss won't as much as squeak about it.
Re: Hehe
by Connan on Feb 07, 2014 08:25 PM
You seem to be the anpadh here, the way he has put his point succinctly it is clear, he knows what he is talking about.
Legal mining is now impossible because of NGO, court cases, and discretionary govt. license, quota policy; As a result, Illegal mining, along with smuggling, crime and corruption, is flourishing.
There are many countries in the world (eg. canada, australia, USA ) where mining is done in a sustainable manner. If India implements simple and transparent policy then there is no reason why same cannot be done in India.
Re: Ban means Blackmarket
by Connan on Feb 07, 2014 08:21 PM
Please don't dis inform people. You cannot mine near a national or state park in the US. and environmental laws are very strict. canada and australias has land double the size of India and population as much as the city of bombay. he has every right to fight for a better living near the place he lives. I dont think you will agree to moving the coal mine beside your house if you thing otherwise.
Re: Ban means Blackmarket
by Jai Babu on Feb 07, 2014 10:38 AM
No Go zones – areas of dense forest cover, tiger corridors and bio-diversity hotspots have been opened up to mining under pressure from the industry lobby. If we allow mining in these forests, the worst kind of environmental and human disaster awaits us. Blindly exploiting our mineral resources through mining in such green belts will involve the following: extinction of the Indian Tiger; blocking Elephant migration corridors; the decimation of millions of hectares of native forests in India, turning lush forests into gaping, polluted, barren wasteland, destruction of the livelihood source of half of India’s Scheduled Tribe/Adivasi population; destruction of watersheds of major rivers, incalculable loss of India’s bio-diversity and natural beauty that is a part of our national heritage and the shame and blow to national pride that the next generation of Indians will have to live with when they wake up to the monumental idiocy of their fathers in destroying so much for the greed of so few in so short a time, and that too for dirty, climate-hostile, limited, non-renewable resources.
It is high time that we invest in scientific research to develop sustainable models of development and consumption of natural resources.
I love these folks whose idea of a honest days work is to insult corporations and lay banner on their buildings. And yes, we should support closing of all kind of honest businesses in India. I mean, come on, who needs mines to operate? If thousands of mine workers are jobless, thats just fine for the environment. If their children sleep hungry, we are fine with that, ain't we? No money to send kids to school, insult these corps a bit more and lets go begging from the firangi's on the street. At least we are keeping the environment clean. I love the idea of stone age, where India was ruled by all and sundry and looted at will. We had clean environment, if no growth and will to stand and fight. I love the socialists and India should be full of them. I mean writing comments from your ac office is such a fine idea right. Who needs a smoke yielding industry to mine and produce anything worthwhile. We can always import balloons and furniture and pencils from China. Trade deficit, thats nothing to do with environment dear. Lets be all socialists, activists on the street, insult all the businessman, let them invest in some other country where they get any respect. We are better off with a clean air and clean-slate economy. I respect you from the bottom of my heart sir. Lets ban Lavasa's of the world and India certainly needs a push back to 2% growth rate. Love the idea!
Re: Love these activists!!
by monojit b on Feb 06, 2014 07:39 PM
Well written. Wonder if anybody is listening. All are deaf by popularist propaganda. We could also plant trees and shrubs in agricultural lands. Farmers get so many subsidies and yet are so poor. So many farmers commit suicide anyways. Let’s confiscate their lands to increase forest area and clean air. We can always take alms and food from foreign bodies.
Re: Re: Love these activists!!
by Calvin Hobbes on Feb 06, 2014 08:18 PM
Monojit, you have the logo of Hobbes but haven't got the soul of the famed series.
Re: Love these activists!!
by Calvin Hobbes on Feb 06, 2014 08:16 PM
I hope you have heard of the term called sustainable development. I am against development at the cost of environment, trees, animal's lives because at the end you may get some money but will look utterly ugly and in bad health. If you are saying that stopping mining in the forests will take us to 2% growth, let me tell you a thing about the animal tourism - A tigress called Machli alone was responsible for revenue worth 66 crores because of the tourism. And who was benefitted - Locals, the poor, the environment. And that was beautiful, that was sustainable. There are other ways of development that cutting jungles which are already thin
Re: Re: Love these activists!!
by StockFundoo on Feb 06, 2014 08:27 PM
Sir Calvin, ive heard the term, unfortunately due to my limited intellect i do not fully comprehend it!
Tourism, aha, so we are back to showcasing our mr and mrs tigers to firangi's and mint money out of them. Yup that solves the nation's GDP growth problems. Lets go ahead and ban all industries now, shall we.
Sir, banning mining will not give you 2%, but probably -10% growth rate and possibly no food on your and your children's plate. Unless you make your moolah by raising flags against businesses and getting paid for it.
Banning industries and mines and new age cities is all we Indians do from past 10 years. If you need to change anything, change the regime.
Re: Re: Re: Love these activists!!
by Calvin Hobbes on Feb 06, 2014 08:31 PM
Come on. Don't go to extremes and start seeing the world without industries and institutes if we say protect jungles. Hope you have read about mining responsible for floods responsible of billions of dollars of loss which goes from our pocket and not from companies like Essar. Hope you have heard how it kills the fertility of land again resulting in loss. Not to mention the ugliness it causes.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Love these activists!!
by StockFundoo on Feb 07, 2014 09:30 AM
So now you are talking in terms of dollars is it? Is it all about money for you NGOs?
What about hundreds of projects that are stalled in the name of environment clearnances? What about thousands of small scale businessman who get harassed by these obscure laws? And if a certain ministry is blocking 1 Lakh Crore of projects for environment clearance, how much much is the nation losing? Count the dimes, but ignore the dollar, is that your principle?
Noone gives you the right to abuse a honest business in name of preserving trees. Unless you are getting funded by foreign funds and your motto is to stop all progress in India, you are also earning your bread by some kind of industrial system.
Abusing businessman and blocking progress has become the hallmark of India and Indians from past 10 years. Its time we should recheck the motto of these economic terrorists and check their funding links. Who is funding these anti-national NGOs.
Are you able to hear the wails of hungry child in night, whose father is jobless because of these inane protests? Or probably you are too busy feasting on foreign money, is it?
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Love these activists!!
by Calvin Hobbes on Feb 07, 2014 08:56 PM
Abstraction is the world you are living in. already imagining that stalling 'Mahan' will invite china's attack, will take food from us, close institutes. Quite Don Quixotic.. No so called development at the cost of jungles. There are other ways to create wealth which I have already told and which are better ways than cutting jungles. They are hundred times more profitable and sustainable.
Re: Love these activists!!
by shravan kumar on Feb 07, 2014 03:43 AM
After we will be finished with all the forests and mining, They will go for renewable sources. why don't we go for it now without hurting forests just because they still have coal in the world to make billions before they start R&D on renewable sources. and once coal is taken away from a land can these companies initiate forestation of those lands. Nope becauz tht's none of there business.
Re: Re: Love these activists!!
by as lal on Feb 07, 2014 07:19 PM
renewable source is latest on hit list.Windmill kills birds and deflect clouds.Hydro power submerges jungles As regards tourism, how will we import diesel and buses.
Re: Re: Re: Love these activists!!
by Calvin Hobbes on Feb 07, 2014 09:03 PM
From the money we earn from tourism. Or just don't go to the jungles. leave them alone. Is it not enough they provide free oxygens to breathe that you want to destroy them unless there is money from tourism? The world is not meant for humans only.
Re: Love these activists!!
by Connan on Feb 07, 2014 08:30 PM
You did not pay much attention to history in class. The first time India was a superpower was during Ashokas time we had clean land and environment and lots of money, every body had food and cloathing. there are monuments which proclaim so. we had libraries and university's at a time when no body had heard of it. It was not because we imitated the west. it was because we were a people of small needs high spirituality and living in symbiosis with nature.
and import coal from Indonesia/Australia at inflated price.10% commission will make officials/congress members rich.Pay a small amount to protesters. Does any body know how long Mumbai/Delhi and other metros will continue to get electricity.
I know first hand the lives of people in Bastar Dt where my father was the SP and mother a DM in the neighbouring Dt.
They are materially rich but content and self respecting where basic food, shelter and basic clothing is assured by the forest. They lead a more complete lives than many materially rich Mumbaites.
On evening young boys and girls hold hands and sit on rivulet banks watching the sunset and go home by 7 PM when it is dark.
Chickens roam freely unlike those in poultry farms awake during night because of flood lights and keep eating not knowing when day ends and when night starts and thereby getting restless only to be butchered.
There may not be too much money nor cars, but there is a complete life for all living beings living the way nature provides.
I live in Mumbai now as an investment banker and on roads see beggars, men women children dislocated by the mining industry. The minuscle compensation the Govt provides gets spent in months and families break up and end up in metropolis.
Men become workers in construction industry sleeping on pavements to be crushed to death by Salman Khan like drunk drivers.
Women are trafficked with false job promises by mafia and end up on broothels.
Children promised good jobs in households and end up with unspeakable abuse in closed doors in high rise apartments.
Infants are drugged and used as begging material on roads.
I saw both worlds;
Even as I write this post my eyes are swelling with tears and heart with rage
Re: Re: SHED A TEAR FOR THIS BRAVE SOUL!
by Kabeer on Feb 06, 2014 04:40 PM
Dear Ms.Bhatt,
It is rare for electronic media to publish an article such as this and even rarer journalists like you take pains to read comments.
Thanks for your time.
Since, you are a journalist, when your time has a gap, please interview the current Lt.Governor of Delhi Mr. Najeeb Jung who served in tribal areas in the Eastern part of India as an IAS officer - I was just a boy then. He can tell you more from his experiences which journos such as yours might find worth publishing
Re: SHED A TEAR FOR THIS BRAVE SOUL!
by StockFundoo on Feb 06, 2014 04:35 PM
its funny to see investment bankers complaining about mumbai sitting in their air-conditioned rooms. Sir, if i may ask, why not go back to Bastar Dt, where ur parents ruled the roost. Why not live with tribals now? Is anyone forcing you to live in mumbai sir?
Re: Re: SHED A TEAR FOR THIS BRAVE SOUL!
by Connan on Feb 07, 2014 08:36 PM
I guess you were not paying attention, they are destroying their way of life there and that's why they are here. If you let them live they way the want without destroying their natural habitat, no body wants to come to Mumbai. last person who wants to be in polluted crowded Mumbai is a person from the tribal lands of baster.
