Now that Vikramaditya has been handed over to the Indian Navy we should ensure we keep an edge over the Chinese. We have been operating an aircraft carrier for over 50 years and have completely exploited the carrier in naval operations. The chinese are yet to show any operational readiness with and aircraft carrier in their fleet! Succesfully using the third dimension is a challenge
Re: Indo Russian Defence Ties
by Mumbaiave on Nov 18, 2013 10:41 AM
It is said that the engine used firebrick is China's civilian products, the last aircraft carrier sea trials, the engine broke down, and now the bricks using which country?
Re: vikramaditya
by some one on Nov 16, 2013 08:33 PM
So much concentrated investment and opportunity cost in one equipment makes India extremely vulnerable in war, sabotage, and accidents. A suicide mission with torpedo, midget submarine, dive bomber could send it down to the deeps in peacetime or war. Such investment makes sense only if the country has say twenty such carrier battle groups and the capacity to refresh the stocks at least ten percent per annum. That is clearly impossible for India.
Countries like India cannot afford to depend on large capital assets because of the high concentration of defence value per piece. One piece gone in war, accident, or sabotage leaves the country undefended.
As General Shanker Roy Chowdhury said many time, raher than wasting money on French or very old American or British aircraft India should concentrate on 5th Generation Aircrafts of Russia. Some of its variants are already in operation as FAK-50. That has the latest technology. China is buying up many old aircraft carriers from Ukraine for cheap, just repainting and nothing else. India got a brand new aircraft carrier. Everything is new in Vikramaditya except for the hull.
Re: Funny and Foolish Defense Strategies
by some one on Nov 16, 2013 09:59 PM
India needs to project power beyond its immediate area, for example something to fight a war in or over Afghanistan after the American withdrawal, but this carrier will not help. It has a zero gradual attrition capacity. It is vulnerable to enemies and accidents. India needs to develop unconventional alternatives first, like drone clouds, predelivered weapons, and so on. Pakistan has systematically developed Non State Actors which give it lots of useful options at a very low opportunity cost. These can sustain almost infinite degrees of gradual attrition.
India could benefit from carrier battle groups for fighting far from its borders, but only if at least twenty can be maintained. Attrition of such large assets is highly sensitive. Loss of its carriers Akagi, Kaga, Soryu, and Hiryu sealed the fate of Japan at Midway in essentially one day of sea battle. Though old the Pacific war is not irrelevant as it showed up the extreme vulnerability of large capital assets against determined attacks. Satellites, smart missiles, stealth craft, and Non State Actors make survivability of carriers highly uncertain. Small navies like India cannot afford to become dependent on a few expensive assets.
Secondly power projection is more a matter of political courage or will power than military hardware.
Re: AIRCRAFT CARRIER
by Dipak Bose on Nov 15, 2013 11:38 PM
India needs to defend the South China sea, from an aggressive China, jointly with Japan, Vietnam, Phillipines, Indonesia, Malaysia, South Korea. Japan has already suggested defence cooperation with India. China is developing its naval bases in both Sri Lanka and Pakistan. India can have its base in Vietnam immediately. Defence against China is very urgent.
Re: Re: AIRCRAFT CARRIER
by mountaintiger on Nov 15, 2013 11:52 PM
India is not even capable of defending it's own northern border with frequent chinese incursions
Now there is a border pact with an unsure boundary.
A Border without boundary is bound to a WAR in the future.
India dont have a spine to fight China at SEA.
India's Aircraft carriers could sink off srilankan waters.
Re: Re: Re: AIRCRAFT CARRIER
by Dipak Bose on Nov 16, 2013 04:47 AM
How much opium have you consumed? Or some spider, or a snake, or some rotten rice with fried cockroach.
What ever armament we have it is the morale & courage of the armed forces personnel coupled with loyalty to the nation which is more important battle winning factor. The RM should first address the legitimate grievances before adding hardware which will remain show pieces if personnel & veterans are not happy
What ever armament we have it is the morale & courage of the armed forces personnel coupled with loyalty to the nation which is more important battle winning factor. The RM should first address the legitimate grievances before adding hardware which will remain show pieces if personnel & veterans are not happy
What ever armament we have it is the morale & courage of the armed forces personnel coupled with loyalty to the nation which is more important battle winning factor. The RM should first address the legitimate grievances before adding hardware which will remain show pieces if personnel & veterans are not happy
