Khap Panchayat should be dismissed. Legal action should be taken against those supporting Khap Panchayat. Saw lot of episode of Crime Petrol and heard lot of them other people also. It is total dictatorship. They are very wrong. What Gothra what nonsense they are speaking. cant believe how these people think like this. This is total stupidity. Supreme court should ban Khap Panchayat. Why is Govt and Supreme court giving importance to this criminals who kill and tortute other people just because they have married in same gothra what nonsense
Re: Khap Panchayat
by Dipak Bose on Jan 13, 2013 07:10 PM
What Gothra what nonsense they are speaking
They are not talking nonsense. People with same Gotra can trace their origin to the same person many centuries or thousands of years and as a result they are relatives.
Marriage between the relatives are not allowed in Hindu religious marriages.
But you are free to have a civil marriage, not a Hindu marriage.
Re: Re: Khap Panchayat
by Nadar chandran on Jan 13, 2013 11:38 PM
1000 years. do know how long it is everything changes in 10 or 15 years and you are talking 1000 of tears are u crazy. Khap Panchayat doesnt allow civil marriage also. It is clearly shown in crime patrol, how they even kill their own brothers and sister bcoz they got married to same gothra.
Re: Re: Re: Khap Panchayat
by Nadar chandran on Jan 13, 2013 11:40 PM
who told same gothra means relatives. how can that be possible. Same gothra means same caste. It is different they are not from same family.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Khap Panchayat
by Dipak Bose on Jan 14, 2013 12:27 PM
You do not understand the meaning of the Gotra. Same caste has many different surnames, each with different Gotras, which indicate the origin, not the caste.
That is the reason Hindus are not allowed to marry a person with same surname, as they are relatives.
Khap Panchayet cannot any rule outside the village. A couple can go away and have a civil marriage. How can Khap Panchayet stop that?
Same gothra marriages are genetically unsound, and the children born to it will have genetic defects with reduced mental and physical health and fitness.
This is also called inbreeding biologically speaking. This is a scientifically proven fact.
As a rule , one should marry as far away from one's distant relatives as possible , to have genetically healthy children. The farther one marries, the healthier the children produced.
The closer one marries among relatives, the greater the chances of having genetic diseases among the offspring born , resulting in premature death or mental and physical weakness which makes a person unfit for performing the duties of life.
Re: Re: Re: Same gothra marriages are genetically unsound...
by aravind on Jan 13, 2013 07:14 PM
If need be, I will marry not just an eskimo bride, but maybe a female alien as well, who is compatible with human DNA, and can produce healthy human children.
While I am opposed to same gothra or relative marriages, I am also opposed to any coercive acts as well from outside.
Gothra marriages should be avoided, not by external pressure like that of khap panchayats, but through spreading of awareness and scientific knowledge.
Re: HINDU MARRIAGE ACT 1955
by Opinions on Jan 13, 2013 03:14 PM
Governments (meaning constitution) should be kickedOut of regulatingMarriages in the first place.
Apart from that, illiterateGovernment is allowed to frame laws on behalf of 1.2 billion people when they have got only 200 million votes at the most!!!
Even worse is that even those 200 million have NO SAY whatsoever in law-making or policy-making.
So, 200 million (approximately 20%) elect a government and give them the the REINS TO RULE THE NATION which even those 200 million have NO CONTROL OVER!!
So, those 273assssho1es (along with a handful of selfAppointedIntellectuals) get to decide on behalf of the WHOLE 1.2 billion!!!
This sham of a crapDemocracy should first and foremost beFlushed into the squatCommode and replaced with a totally decentralized government(s) where people get to decide for themselves HOW they like to be governed.
Centralized government should have no role whatsoever to play in anything except national issues like
1. defense/security ministry (to keep the peace between states and to protect from EXTERNAL THREATS),
2. parliamentary affairs ministry,
3. law ministry (where LAWS should be framed ONLY AFTER TAKING REFERENDUM FROM ALL THE PEOPLE where more than 80% or even 90% (to include even minorities) of the whole population should agree. only then the laws should be passed which are applicable to the WHOLE COUNTRY),
4. Natural Resources (where the role of government is NOT of ownnership but of GUARDIANSHIP).
Re: Re: HINDU MARRIAGE ACT 1955
by Dipak Bose on Jan 13, 2013 07:07 PM
That is non sense. You are talking about American style system with minimum Government.
Bharatiya concept of Ram Rajya is totalitarian; the Government should be responsible for everything as Ram was made responsible for a boy killed in snake bite.
For example my Gotra is Gautam. Most of the Bengalis with surname like Bose( or Basu) were originated from a place called MahiNagar in South Bengal (does not exist anymore)as far as 14th century; before that at about 10th century they were imported from Kanauz in Uttar Pradesh. This is also true about Tagore ( or Thakur) who were imported into Bengal in about 10th century from Kanauz. These were done by the last Hindu King of Bengal Ballal Sen and his son Kaksman Sen, who were not Bengalis, but from AndhraPradesh-Tamil. Bengalis with surname like Neogis were from Andhra Pradesh-Tamil Nadu, when the Pala dynasty of Bengal was defeated by the Chola Dynasty of Tamil in 9th-10th century. Similarly, remains of Pala dynasty went away from Bengal to Afghanistan before it was occupied by the Mussalmans. The last Hindu king of Afghanistan was Ananda Pal.
Re: Gotra means origin
by Dipak Bose on Jan 13, 2013 01:06 PM
corrections: Last Hindu kings of Bengal were Ballal Sen and his son Laskman Sen.
Thus, Bengalis with surnames like Sen or Neogi were originally from Tamil-Andhra Pradesh, whereas Bengalis with surname like Bose( or Basu), Tagore( or Thakur), Dutt, Mitra, Mukherjee ( or Mukhapadya) or Chatterjee( Chattopadhya) or Banerjee( Bandopadhya) were all came from Western Uttar Pradesh, when Pal ( or Paul) went away from Bengal to Western India; similarly Bardhans or Barman went away from Bengal to Cambodia and Burma).
Re: Re: Gotra means origin
by shilpy on Jan 13, 2013 03:05 PM
if all these people of the surnames you mentin came from outside bengal, who are the real natives of bengal? is the some times heard claim true that a lot of begalis were convinced in to_islam by "arab traders" when hindu kings ruled there? i mean as opposed to forcible_conversions?
Re: Re: Re: Gotra means origin
by Dipak Bose on Jan 13, 2013 06:40 PM
Mussalmans came to Bengal when Baktier Khalzi invaded the Hindu King Laskman Sen in 12 the century. There was no Mussalman came to Bengal before that.
Similarly the history written by the Aligarh-JNU-Delhi university is also wrong. Mussalmans invaded Afghanistan and Punjab in 664 AD ( by Muhhalab) and then in 711 AD by Mir Kassem in Sind. It is not true that Mussalmans came to India ever peacefully.
Re: Re: Re: Gotra means origin
by Dipak Bose on Jan 13, 2013 06:57 PM
Bengal was populated during the Chandra Gupta Maurya; thus the original Bengalis came from Mithila. Until 1200 Bengali and Maithili used to be the same language.
However, there were a lot of movement westward during the Pala Dynasty, which used to be from the border of Iran to the border of Burma. As a result surnames like Pal, Dhar, Dutt, Saha( from Shah), can be both Bengali and Punjabi, Kashmiri, even Karnataki. However, their Gotras are the same all over.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Gotra means origin
by shilpy on Jan 14, 2013 10:49 PM
thank you dipak ji, very much. i will read up on bengal. i remain confused as to why many bengalis i run into are so smart and yet the state of bengal seems so upside down today.
the gothras were determined few thousands of years back. there were no transport facility and people travelled less. and people were born, married became parents and died in the same village. in those circumstances marriage among close relative and particularly cousins from father's side was forbidden. and also most of the property was in the form of land. parents of girls did not want their land to be be usurped by one who is not related to them and from far off location. they preferred the cousins from maternal side as brides or grooms.
the days had changed. literacy had improved, so are the transport and communication, and the agriculture has reduced importance in the livelihood of most of the people. people move from native villages, district, state and country to other places. woman are independent, better and have career and can look after thmselves better nowadys.
under the circumstances, the gothras have no relvence. it can be sustituted by caste, language,and state. that would strengthen the hindu community suffering the ills of caste oriented and political conflicts.
