Exactly what did we learn from the West? After the September 11 attacks, an errant racist attacked an elderly sikh man who was working at a petrol station and killed him. This man was nationally condemned, promptly arrested, tried and sentenced to a lengthy prison term.
How many people have been sentenced in the aftermath of the 1984 Anti- Sikh Riots, or the Babri Masjid destruction and the riots that followed, or the Godhra train burning or the riots came after that?
What India needs to learn from the West is the use of an effective justice system that actually follows through, regardless of a person's political affiliations and wealth.
There are prisoners rotting in Indian prisons without ever having been tried or sentenced, before they cannot afford bail. And these people have served more time than they would have if convicted for their crimes.
Meanwhile, Kalmadi is leading the way to London to loot phoren goods during the Olympic Games.
Re: What did we learn from the West?
by Rivka Mishra on Jul 19, 2012 10:13 PM
I don't think you could have lived in any Western country for a long time. What you call "an effective justice system" is in reality a totalitarian system of arbitrary justice which should not exist in a democratic country.
If you think I am exaggerating, then I can recommend as a start an article in the Economist with the title "Too many laws, too many prisoners". The problem in the West is that they believe in their justice system, even when it is highly flawed. A huge number of people are sent to prison in the US for minor crimes or for offenses they have not committed. The reason for this is a legal procedure which penalizes you for pleading not guilty.
Also take a look incarceration statistics. You'll find that India doesn't do too badly. The "developed" nations incarcerate far more people.
Re: What did we learn from the West?
by Rivka Mishra on Jul 19, 2012 10:13 PM
I don't think you could have lived in any Western country for a long time. What you call "an effective justice system" is in reality a totalitarian system of arbitrary justice which should not exist in a democratic country.
If you think I am exaggerating, then I can recommend as a start an article in the Economist with the title "Too many laws, too many prisoners". The problem in the West is that they believe in their justice system, even when it is highly flawed. A huge number of people are sent to prison in the US for minor crimes or for offenses they have not committed. The reason for this is a legal procedure which penalizes you for pleading not guilty.
Also take a look incarceration statistics. You'll find that India doesn't do too badly. The "developed" nations incarcerate far more people.
Re: What did we learn from the West?
by Rivka Mishra on Jul 19, 2012 10:13 PM
I don't think you could have lived in any Western country for a long time. What you call "an effective justice system" is in reality a totalitarian system of arbitrary justice which should not exist in a democratic country.
If you think I am exaggerating, then I can recommend as a start an article in the Economist with the title "Too many laws, too many prisoners". The problem in the West is that they believe in their justice system, even when it is highly flawed. A huge number of people are sent to prison in the US for minor crimes or for offenses they have not committed. The reason for this is a legal procedure which penalizes you for pleading not guilty.
Also take a look incarceration statistics. You'll find that India doesn't do too badly. The "developed" nations incarcerate far more people.
Re: What did we learn from the West?
by Rivka Mishra on Jul 19, 2012 10:14 PM
I don't think you could have lived in any Western country for a long time. What you call "an effective justice system" is in reality a totalitarian system of arbitrary justice which should not exist in a democratic country.
If you think I am exaggerating, then I can recommend as a start an article in the Economist with the title "Too many laws, too many prisoners". The problem in the West is that they believe in their justice system, even when it is highly flawed. A huge number of people are sent to prison in the US for minor crimes or for offenses they have not committed. The reason for this is a legal procedure which penalizes you for pleading not guilty.
Also take a look incarceration statistics. You'll find that India doesn't do too badly. The "developed" nations incarcerate far more people.
Re: Re: What did we learn from the West?
by Ayon Pradhan on Jul 19, 2012 10:30 PM
Does 23 years in developed country seen not too long? And everytime I have had to deal with the police, I presented my identification and they dealt with the infraction. No one ever asked for bakshish to get me off. And if I had to go to court, I presented my case. In some cases, the judgement was in my favour, and in other cases, it was against me.
There is no perfect system of justice. Justice fails everywhere. Unfortunately in India, justice is also openly for sale.
Mr. Raman seems to be sitting in an ivory tower, watching TV, where the anchors vie with one another in sympathizing with the so-called hapless minority. It is a fact that the majority community, anywhere in the world, is more comfortable with its own. But ethnic cleansing is a different matter altogether. It is a speciality in Muslim-majority areas, done either overtly or covertly. For evidence, we don't have to go very far. Please see the plight of the Hindus in Kashmir, in India, and of the minorities in general in Pakistan. Let him go to Malappuram district in Kerala, a Muslim-majority district, and study the demographics of the last 20 years. Let him go to Uppiliyappan kovil in Thanjavur district of Tamil Nadu, a temple town, and find out for himself how Muslims have been buying up houses in the vicinity of the temple. Wherever Muslims are in a majority, even in a small street, they pay fancy sums to buy out the houses of Hindus. It is only in our TV channels that we come across these cases of discrimination against Muslims, because the channels have closed their eyes and ears to the other side of the story. Barkha Dutt puts up a sad/angry face, when a rich, fat guy, a popular film star sings about discrimination in Mumbai. Would she display that sad demeanour when a Kashmiri pundit talks about his plight. You bet no. In the first place, she wouldn't allow him into the studio. It would be unfashionable and downright unsecular, you see. Owaisi is welcome, not Togadia.
Re: The way this ALi was speaking on TV sets
by such jano on Jul 19, 2012 07:57 PM
..and passionate burka dutt will jump to it on her pasionate show why her beloved muslims are discrimated in india.
invoke west. bad comaprison, sir. It is india and its hindu minority has been shortcahnged again and again to prop up madudis votebank, and they pretty good how to yank it
