Re: daughter of india
by Junda Munda on Dec 30, 2012 04:41 PM
Let the souul of redifff mooderatoir who passed away rest in peace, hope the new moooderator will not have the same fate,perhpas???
1. Logging FIR is the entry point of service and source of corruption. Most of the cases not registered by policeman's to show case crime rate is less in their juridiction and to break the deal out of the court. 2. Because FIR are not logged for each cases there is no actual figure on crime and performance of police department. 3. Normal citizen are afraid to go to police station to logg the FIR. 4. people have to bribe the police to log their FIR.
Solution:
Seprate the FIR logging department from police department and make seprate department, may be like "FIR call center" made of leagal graduates.
Benefits:
1. Request will be logges without hassels 2. Classify the severity level like Critical - rape, murdor dacaity, high - , medium and low and pass on the request to investigating police authorities, it can be comprise of different team of expertise. 3. There should be timebound service level agreement (SLA) to resolve and update the requester for each category of request. 4. Supervisors can review and monitor the everyday progress and closure of each request in their juridiction. 5. If police manpower is out done by number of request, officers can take the corrective steps to enhence 6. Police personnal yearly appraisal must be done based on turnaorund time of each request handled by them and satisfaction level of the requester.
Re: Reform the police department!
by Deepak Jain on Dec 30, 2012 04:40 PM
And a this computerized vailable to society forums for progress reviews/audits.
Re: Re: Reform the police department!
by Deepak Jain on Dec 30, 2012 04:41 PM
And aa this computerized available to society forums for progress reviews/audits.
Re: Re: Re: Reform the police department!
by Junda Munda on Dec 30, 2012 04:41 PM
To prevent eve-teasing of grils and women and to revent rapes, there must be WELL planned measures¬ just talk ONLY, what a shame!There must be special buses for girls and women only and they should be driven by female drivers and there msut be woman consuctor and woman assistant to help them too, NO OTHER solution to eve teasing in delhi&rapes too, Further there msut be majority women constables and police stations controlled by women and with no men! Double or triple the number of police women and number of women- only police stations too all over india now!
Re: Re: Re: Re: Reform the police department!
by hawkeye on Dec 30, 2012 04:44 PM
What is truly needed at the moment is the revamping of India's police force and upgrading them both qualitatively and quantitatively.
Good law and order is the foundation of a healthy and prosperous society and a developed nation. And this can be enforced effectively only with a professional, well-led, well-trained, well-equipped and well-resourced police force.
The inability to proactively prevent the rape incident, and actions of the police forces against the protestors only reflected their shortcomings in training and resources, and this is why the law and order in the country is in shambles.
Re: Reform the police department!
by Champaklal Keswani on Dec 30, 2012 05:13 PM
IT guy giving IT-type solutions which are valid only in virtual world, answer my following questions: 1. How do u ensure a tamper-proof database to store all FIR's ( consider the fact tht any security can be broken) 2. How much time would it take to develop such solution and will the criminals be on leave until it s fully functional, what about the case that happen in between 3. Also what about older case who will port them to your new system?
And finally answer if police do hv a yearly appraisal process like in IT field?
Re: Re: Reform the police department!
by hawkeye on Dec 30, 2012 05:20 PM
Hi Champaklal,cyber-security is definitely given importance in India, and a wing in police and the military is dedicated to it.
There is no reason why, with all our prowess and resources in software engineering skils, we cannot excel in cyber-security as well.
Technology should indeed be constructively used for detection and prevention of crime. Technology ,if properly used can be a great force-multiplier in itself.
The delhi gangrape bus was itself identified through scanning of cctv footage.
If it weren't for the cctv, the culprits would have probably escaped .
Re: Re: Reform the police department!
by kush chatterjee on Dec 30, 2012 06:21 PM
Angry has given a genuine out of the box idea. Your questions are frivolous comparatively. 1. No system is 100% tamper proof. But effectiveness can be improved by posting relevant data in the public space where tampering of information can be immediately detected by the victim (just one basic idea). The good part of the electronic systems is that any changes made can be traced back. Again, this is not 100% secured, but can be greatly done so when good minds put their brains into it. 2. The time to deploy will depend on the commitment of the government to assign resources and funds. What it needs is good will. Definitely, it cannot be implemented over a ziffy. If the entire way the world transform business can be changed using IT, why are we so resistant to put technology in use in solving such critical problems of our society. 3. Porting of older cases need not be instantaneous. Again, the odds to port old cases is not insurmountable given that the porting will be done in a de-centralized manner across police stations. The sheer number of FIRs looks very high when we add it up for the entire nation but when we divide that by the number of police stations, the task can be tackled. 4. If appraisals can bring in accountability...then why not? The good part of this kind of a system is that the appraisal can be done for every case and on a weekly basis by the common public.
Re: Re: Re: Reform the police department!
by kush chatterjee on Dec 30, 2012 06:24 PM
The common man in the smallest block of democracy (like panchayat) can do the appraisal of their respective police force, elected bodies (Panchs, MPs, MLAs etc) and other government agencies based on data and information
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Reform the police department!
by Niharendu Mukhopadhyay on Dec 30, 2012 10:29 PM
Kush chatterjee has provided sufficient justifications to use technology to curb violations of various sorts. UID is one such usage with different purpose, however. Regular performance index[PI] should be developed and upgraded case by case basis. PS should undergo monitoring by computerized system. Punishment should follow if PI is below the cut off limit. Concerned ministry should also be accountable. Ministers, MPs, MLAs should be called back if their PI is below the pre set limit. Election commission should also be a part of the total system. Law makers should be courageous enough to hold more responsibility. Yes, it is difficult task to do it, but not impossible.
This shows that whole nation needs treatment?To prevent eve-teasing of grils and women and to revent rapes, there must be WELL planned measures¬ just talk ONLY, what a shame!There must be special buses for girls and women only and they should be driven by female drivers and there msut be woman consuctor and woman assistant to help them too, NO OTHER solution to eve teasing in delhi&rapes too, Further there msut be majority women constables and police stations controlled by women and with no men! Double or triple the number of police women and number of women- only police stations too all over india now!
Re: Shame media&intellectuals have NOT though of better steps
by sachin dsoza on Dec 30, 2012 04:31 PM
I agree with you. the parents should teach their sons to respect girls at an early age. stop eve-teasing and if you see someone doing it then protest it strongly.
Re: Incredible India
by ragesh aravindan on Dec 30, 2012 04:12 PM
Please worry about the human rights violations in your own country and focus on that.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Incredible India
by Holiest Cow on Dec 30, 2012 08:35 PM
Dont bring poor mother .. youMoron of the first order! We are talking of the same issue ... to put animals like you through chemical castration - if not hang them in public. If I took issue with the statement - why are bringing mother - you MCP.
Re: Incredible India
by Champaklal Keswani on Dec 30, 2012 05:15 PM
what abt the bones found in colombo? or about prabahakran's young son being shot point blank, u black @55h01es
Both the rape incident and the subsequent ill-treatment of the protesting students are major reflections of the shortcomings and lack of quality of the Indian police force.
What is truly needed at the moment is the revamping of India's police force and upgrading them both qualitatively and quantitatively.
Good law and order is the foundation of a healthy and prosperous society and a developed nation. And this can be enforced effectively only with a professional, well-led, well-trained, well-equipped and well-resourced police force.
The inability to proactively prevent the rape incident, and also the actions of the police forces against the protestors only reflected their shortcomings in training and resources, and this is why the law and order in the country is in shambles.
Unless we develop a policing mechanism which can proactively prevent rape and crime,women will continue to be unsafe in the country.
The major reason for all the lack of law and order in India is simply this : the police to population ratio is just 130 per 100000 people, well below the minimum police strength of 222 per 100000 people recommended by the UN.
Law and order is needed for healthy progress of the country in all sectors, and this is essentially provided by a good and effective police force.
All developed and progressive nations have a very good police to population ratio. France (356), Germany (298 ),Great Britain( 307 ), U.S.A (256),Spain (511),Belgium(373), Malaysia (370),Singapore(752) are examples.
Good law and order ensures a healthy society and a good background for economic development as well for obvious reasons.
If India aspires to be a developed nation, it should first increase the police to population ratio from its measly 130 at present to at least the UN recommended minimum police strength of 222.
Otherwise all these crimes and protests will keep on happening without any end at sight.
Re: Increase the police to population ratio....
by hawkeye on Dec 30, 2012 03:33 PM
The Indian government need not get tense and worried about the costs of maintaining a 222 strong police to population ratio, as the strong economic development that comes with good law and order will more than compensate for the greater investment in the policing sector.
Re: Increase the police to population ratio....
by kakkera chowdary on Dec 30, 2012 03:42 PM
agreed to the mismatch ratio of cops:people. But all the nations you have mentioned are with integrity and values and people is well. Are we as good as they? Lot of changes are require from endge of the root to tip of the leaf in the system and in people.
Re: Re: Increase the police to population ratio....
by hawkeye on Dec 30, 2012 04:09 PM
Hi Kakkera, thanks for the reply.
True, the nations mentioned have well-disciplined civilians to a large extent which also aid the law and order efforts.
Self-discipline comes from education, cultural literacy and a strongly embedded good value system.
Educational and cultural institutions that develop these qualities should go hand in hand with a good police to population ratio as well.
I have great respect for such institutions.
But till such institutions come in every nook and corner of the country, we will have to depend on a good police to population ratio for good law and order .
Re: Increase the police to population ratio....
by Deepak on Dec 30, 2012 04:31 PM
Incresing Police will not help Police will be more interested in adopting law where they get kick back , They are very perticular about wearing Seat belt PUC for vehcle etc. But U dont see them Boys making nosense on the roads , Or in the railway station where Que are not maintainecd for purchaising tickets etc
Re: Re: Increase the police to population ratio....
by hawkeye on Dec 30, 2012 06:09 PM
The existing police, as I pointed out, is under-staffed,badly trained,under-resourced and badly led.Among the limited policing resources itself, many are channeled to guarding vip's , which further reduces the policing resources for the public. This is greatly affecting its potency to deal with crime effectively.
Awareness should be created on this point , if the people are really serious about creating an effective and credible crime prevention mechanism.
You cannot expect a weakling to discipline a brute.
Mamta is honest we know but I have a doubt,,,, If she is so , then please resign from Cm ship Her party worker tired about her decisions,,,,]
She is not fit to run a State,,,Her Every Comments are reeally foolish, funny.. People is enjoying every day,,,,,,,
For forward a Cortoon, one Prof from Jadavpur University arrested by police as Cm said that man wants to Kill her,,,,Funnyyyyyyyyyyy
PEOPLE OF WB IS SCARED EVRYDAY WHAT SHE SAY 2 DAY NEW...HAHAHAHAHHA AND HER MINISTERS ARE LESS QUALIFIED AND MORE TALKTIVE. NO GOOD MEN INVOLVE HER PARTY
Re: Mamta should resign
by Guest on Dec 30, 2012 03:28 PM
she is far-better than jayalaitha in TN people getting only 4 hour current a day and no media have guts to write about her rule Total industry gone down worst ever rule only by jaya....
Re: Re: Mamta should resign
by ashok kumar on Dec 30, 2012 03:35 PM
power cut is because previous DMK regime.....they did not do a anything for the power sector.....they were busy looting(2G) and abusing Hindu Gods!!!
Re: Re: Mamta should resign
by bandu bondu on Dec 30, 2012 04:19 PM
Dont compare Guest... Then I would say Buddadev Bhattacharya was a far far better than her. He was really a Gentle man,But This is Politicias. And She is not earned u r rt , but she help to other to get Income ilegally Ask her , About Her Brothers,Nephws etc.She show up like a ordinary women. Rs 39k for her Butifiaction..........
Didi always said all are done by CPIM,and fnally IPS officer fetchout the truth, and that IPS is tranfer,,,
Didi wering white sari, Chappal , but u know That sari;s cost.. How she is helping her brother to earned,,,,,TRIFALA LIGHT, Supplied by her own man, no tender called up.
She is good for nothing , Her minister max are corrupted,,,,Now people of WB u/stood what they did mistake,,, no blunder..........
