The BJP knows very well that who is culprit in this case. In order to cover up, they raised the issue of PMs resignation, and all other BLAH BLAH BLAH.... order CBI enquiry and see. half the party will be behind bars..
Re: BJP
by Amitabh Verma on Aug 25, 2012 12:00 PM
Why only BJP. 99% of politicians including top brass of congress, BJP, SP & other. Even CBI chief will be behind bars
Nobody can subscribe to the views of some of the responsible Hon’ble Ministers that “No mining, No Loss” theory. Yes, it is true that since no mining has taken place, no actual loss has occurred here. However, when the mining starts at a later date, then the effect will take place. So, this is not a valid logic. Secondly, the allocation was made based on the then prevailing law. At the time of allocation, the then prevailing law does not permit auction of coal blocks. So, the action of government was right. As opined by CAG, the central government also mooted the possibility of auction, for which amendment of the then existing law was necessary. At this juncture, the state CMs took up the issue with the government and desired to continue with then prevailing system (as per the then prevailing law) as in case of moving to auction mode, the coal will cost more and it will aid price rise of output (electricity, steel, etc.) So, I guess the center acceded to the suggestions of state CMs and based on recommendations of concerned State CM only, all allocations were made. Now, if we look into the issue deeply, the center is nowhere involved in any sort of deviation from the system.
Re: Coal Allocation
by Indian India on Aug 25, 2012 11:38 AM
So far as allocation of blocks to ineligible candidates is concerned, the allocation was made based on recommendations of concerned state CM and the PM approved it based on recommendations of such a high level (responsible) committee only, trusting that all cases were properly scrutinized by the committee/concerned state CM. If at all any ineligible candidate crept in, the responsibility for that must be fixed on the committee/state CM only. Now, I suggest instead of center defending the decision of coal block allocation (which was done exactly as per the then prevailing law as any deviation would have been breach of law and the government would have been in a fix if that was done), cancel the same and start enquiry through CBI. Since it is crystal clear that the center is nowhere in the picture, let the enquiry take place and book the culprits. Lets see then what the BJP and these so called innocents have to say. From the whole episode, I only find an error on the part of center. If the coal blocks were allocated, center should have followed up whether the allottees actually used the blocks for the purpose for which it was allocated and if not, corrective steps, including cancellation should have been mooted. This was the only lapse on the Center so far as the whole episode is concerned.
Re: Coal Allocation
by manu nair on Aug 25, 2012 11:43 AM
Right. It is like you allowed somebody to loot but since they couldnot start looting and are innocent. Poor script by Chidambaram
Re: Re: Coal Allocation
by Edison John on Aug 25, 2012 04:52 PM
Indian India & Manu Nair should understand that these coal block allocations are low coal yielding areas given for exploitation. When ONE can get , say 1 ton of coal, for a " specific " price from established coal mines ( rich in coal content ) and the coal extracted from the new coal block allocations are going to " COST " higher for exploitation and extraction, it, of course , makes NO SENSE in extracting coal from theses low yielding blocks , AT THIS MOMENT. So it need not shock you to find out that 65 out of 66 blocks have not yet " started " exploitation. It wouldn't be unfair, I think, if I say that BJP leaders and followers should attend some classes on Coal mining. CAG may be taken as a GUEST member along with them !
Re: BJP should not go for debate
by Indian India on Aug 25, 2012 11:39 AM
if CBI enquiry is ordered into the scam, all the state CMs (who are from BJP) would be trapped. BJP knows that and therefore, they are staying away from discussion and playing childish.
Re: BJP should not go for debate
by Amit Arora on Aug 25, 2012 11:39 AM
Afree, BJP is a saint party and all politicions in BJP are saints. Actually they are above G0d
Re: Re: BJP should not go for debate
by vijaya kumar on Aug 25, 2012 11:45 AM
What happened after discussions held in parliament on CWG scam & 2G spectrum scam. CWG Scam - No action against Sheila Dixit after CAG report and Shunglu Committee report indicating her in the scam. Kalmadi has been given clean chit by CBI. 2G Spectrum scam - Raja and Kanimoshi are free now and all others out of jail, Chidambaram enjoying Finance Ministry. So called PM along with sonia & raul are enjoying ? Nothing is happening in this PG spectrum scam now. Only looting is continuing. Now mother of all scams Coalgate !!!!!! No use of debates as nothing is happening after the debates. This govt. should go.
Of late, we have found that CAG ( which is only a constitutional body ) UNDER the Government ( whether Central or State ) behaving in a an extra-constitutional manner. The CAG is merely an accounting and AUDITING BODY. They are not Supernumerary to the Central Government. Earlier, we had a case of an Election Commissioner " acting " as a supernumerary body above the Govt. There is a " typical pattern " in the CAG reports submitted on the so called " 2g Scam " and the Coal blocks allocation The losses to the exchequer reported in both are " PRESUMPTIVE " in nature. and it is NOT ACTUAL losses already incurred. Yesterday some forum member had cracked a joke on Coalgate He said " I was trying to catch a bus, but couldn't, and ran all the way home behind the Bus " So, I saved Rs 5/- Question 2 : Why didn't you run after a taxi all the way home. You could have saved Rs 200/- Courtesy - That rediff board gentleman !!!
Re: CAG is a con stituinal authority UNDER the Government.
by Kumar on Aug 25, 2012 11:28 AM
Agree, CAG report is politically motivated. PAC Chairman Murli Manohar Joshi of BJP influence CAG report
Re: CAG is a con stituinal authority UNDER the Government.
by Edison John on Aug 25, 2012 11:43 AM
That rediff board gentleman is " Jabberwock. Article : If the coal is not mined, where is the loss - asks Govt. Jabberwock wrote the comment on Aug 24, 2012 at 7.01 P.M.
Re: CAG is a con stituinal authority UNDER the Government.
by lalit kedia on Aug 25, 2012 11:43 AM
there is a pattern with vinod rai,similar to army chief vk singh.congress is corrupt so is bjp but the situation created by such reports may detabilise the country beyond control. there are huge land allotments to industries in many states almost free why not cag raises those issue also?
In 1998 BJP came in power after committing to Indian public that it will disclose all BOFORS bribery commission details if BJP comes in power. And Parliament was under full majority of BJP NDA for 6 years. Not a single BOFORS bribery/commission scam of congress was opend that time by BJP NDA government. Because BJP -NDA was busy in there own scams In BJP NDA 6 year rule there were 100's of scams, Kargil coffin scam, allotment of petrol pumps, stock markets and UTI. Tehelka video film Showed the BJP President and other NDA leaders taking bribes. Where is the money now definitely in Swiss Bank.
Re: BJP is Corrupts behind saint clothing
by vijaya kumar on Aug 25, 2012 11:24 AM
Amit There were no corruption under NDA worth mentioning. Corruption is in the blood of congress people.
Re: Re: BJP is Corrupts behind saint clothing
by Amit Arora on Aug 25, 2012 11:38 AM
Afree, BJP is a saint party and all politicions in BJP are saints. Actually they are above G0d.
Re: Re: BJP is Corrupts behind saint clothing
by Amit Arora on Aug 25, 2012 11:39 AM
Agree, BJP is a saint party and all politicions in BJP are saints. Actually they are above G0d
Re: Re: BJP is Corrupts behind saint clothing
by lalit kedia on Aug 25, 2012 11:46 AM
how do you know?there were huge benefits to corporates,only cag did not expose
Re: Re: BJP is Corrupts behind saint clothing
by Indian India on Aug 25, 2012 11:53 AM
worth mentioning !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! what do you mean by that ? corruption is corruption... if it is of 1 rupee or 1000000 crores.... even CAG pointed out mismanagement of funds in Gujarat by the socalled Modi ji....
Re: Re: Re: BJP is Corrupts behind saint clothing
by lalit kedia on Aug 25, 2012 11:56 AM
biggest beneficiary of coal scam is gadkari,sancheti and no one wants this to be raised ?
Re: BJP is Corrupts behind saint clothing
by aam admi on Aug 25, 2012 11:25 AM
please assert to bring back that money lying in swiss bank.Plus unearthing of black money lying with beaurocrates, Corporates, Politicians,etc.
Our PM is correct ,TV Channel is right way to Run for all minister by Live telecast of their plan BY MAKKING DEPATMENT WISE CHANNEL. Where we can make profit like other TV CHANNEL. NAME OFTV CHANNEL SHOULD BE PRLIAMENT AND THEIR STUDIO SHOULD THEIR MINISTER HOME AND IN ALL ROOM EVEN THEIR BATHROOM LIVE CAMERA. So STOP Parliament procdure where our loyal Poltician through money in dustbin where expenditure for each day of a session calculated at Rs.7.8 crore. AND make profit though PARLIAMENT CHANNEL SAVE THIS MONEY & MAKE PROFIT THOUGH PARLIAMENT CHANNEL FOR NEW PROJECT LIKE EDUCATION IN RURAL & NAXAL AREA IF OUR PEOPLE GET GOOD EDUCATION THEN ALL PROBLEM SHORT OUT.
Our is the best honest, competent, qualified Prime Minister EVER.
BJP is really scared of him, so they want to malign him.
Since when have contnuation of a Policy become Scam and Corruption.
If its 2G or Coal. Prime Minister is the one who intiatiated action to change the game of rule and make it fair and tranparent. Ofcourse Raja and BJP CMs dont like it. Because the benifit from corruption.
Best it then to Punish the Prime Minister for stopping corruption and making system transparent.
People of India are not fools. They can see the BJP game plan.
To all those people shouting " Coalgate " " Coalgate " , I have to tell you certain things. Do you know what coal is used for ? Earlier there were steam locomotives. They burnt coal to produce steam. The price rise of coal will not lead to rise in Railway fares as coal is nowadays ( ? ) not used at all by Rlys. Coal is burnt in furnaces of most Industrial units, mostly those producing iron and steel. Those persons having ideas of purchasing a new flat or building a house will get the shock of their lives, when the builder tells you that steel and Cement prices have DOUBLED or TRIPLED in a short span of a few months. Mind you, Cement units also exclusively depend on coal for production. The next sector to get the shock and pass it on to you will be POWER Generation plants, which also depend exclusively on Coal to produce electricity. Be prepared for high tariffs on electricity consumption. Earlier, I was always strongly advocating my view that the 2G scam will raise MOBILE tariffs substantially. Already Telecom Company Spokespersons have admitted it in their press conferences. Auction of coal blocks will definitely bring more money to the exchequer , as the CAG has pointed out. But, the cash for that will be, found from YOUR OWN pockets !!
Re: Coalgate will HARM COMMON MAN more than PM
by soorma on Aug 25, 2012 11:13 AM
You said it. I think it is fine to sell coal at low price to keep price rise in check. The bigger question will be Govt will need money for its development projects and it will require Govt to generate funds. This is something that i dont understand. Its compromise between price rise and development?
Re: Re: Coalgate will HARM COMMON MAN more than PM
by Edison John on Aug 25, 2012 11:29 AM
Yes ! YOU said IT right TOO !! Find the money for development projects and ALSO protect the common man from high inflation instead of wasting Costly Parliament time for POLITICAL GAINS ! Unfortunately, the common man does not understand these economics & politics combo special !!!
