The nationalist movement was distinct from the Left. In Bengal the "intellectual" Leftists somehow managed to give Communism at least part credit for India's independence. Communism was a failure of gigantic proportions, and if Communism and the October "revolution" need to be mentioned in history books, it should also be mentioned that these were recipes for genocide and misery - failed ideas.
Re: @piri - Go through this link and read for yourself!!
by piri on Apr 09, 2012 09:28 PM
I shall read, no problem !
But you admit that there are no answers to the questions I raised ??
If the report does not give these details, then it is not much of report given that every serious study conducted in genetics have these details well tabulated, published and peer reviewed, is it not ??
Re: Re: @piri - Go through this link and read for yourself!!
by Anti Skeptic on Apr 09, 2012 09:30 PM
What else you want apart from the links I am sending you? Haven't you heard of "SwaKaryam SwamiKaryam" (Self service isGod's service)??!!
Since you are in no mood to go through the article, lemme paste a few snippets here on the questions and answers on the study made:
"Question: The study of Indian ancestry that you did along with the former CCMB director Lalji Singh and two US researchers was published in Nature in September 2009. It is said to have rewritten the history of Indian population...
Answer: It established through genomic analyses that people in north India were no different from those in the south and that all shared the same genetic lineage . It also established that people of north and south were part of the same culture. We analyzed over 500,000 genetic markers across diverse groups, including the traditional "upper" /" lower" castes and tribal groups and proved that there was no difference between tribal populations and castes, and it was impossible to make a distinction between them."
Re: @piri - All Indians belong to the same genes
by Anti Skeptic on Apr 09, 2012 09:13 PM
"Question: Is the study being taken forward now? What are the findings that will come out in 2012?
Answer: We are working at breakneck speed. The study done so far was the background work and we will be going public with findings in 2012 that will be futuristic with a more immediate, practical connect with the healthcare sector and people in general. We are at a stage where we can discuss the basis of getting a particular disease. It is the genetic difference that makes one vulnerable or resistant to a disease such as malaria or even HIV. The finding may not yield a cure but prevention such as a pre-natal diagnostic test would be able to determine a child's vulnerability to certain diseases. Genome-based medicine is a possibility in the future. It would also help doctors decide if certain drugs should be used on individuals."
Want some more CUT, COPY, PASTE or would you care to go through it yourself?
Re: Re: Re: Re: @piri - All Indians belong to the same genes
by Jena Bharati on Apr 09, 2012 09:26 PM
Piri , a hypothesis man. So give him time to sort out more data.
love it. How arrogant communists and socailists can be?? Did not they rewrite?? so why cannot a desi leader do desi things?? did not pranb da or our payre mohan from assam know about it. Mamta Di, you are spot ON this one.
Re: The way to go . Mamata DI in her skins, and people would
by Jena Bharati on Apr 09, 2012 09:16 PM
pranab da happy in delhi bunglow compliments of sikulkars? who cares for country??
Re: Re: @piri
by Mahesh V on Apr 09, 2012 08:49 PM
The easiest way of getting out of a tight situation is "Did I initiate the discussion ?". People like piri have mastered this art.
Re: Re: Re: Re: @piri
by piri on Apr 09, 2012 09:14 PM
Once again, please give the details of
1. Agency which conducted this 'test' 2. Populations segments from which the samples were drawn 3. Type of tests conducted on these samples 4. Sample sizes 5. Conclusions (exact wordings) 6. Peer review about this 'test'
This was the question that I started with, was it not ?
You have still not given any answers though you claim you have read the report !
If you have read the report in full detail, then what is your problem in providing answers instead of trying to escape by saying that I should read the report myself to get them ??
Is it not an admission that either you have not the report in full or you do not remember these details or the report itself does not give them ??
Can you please give us a SINGLE ARCHAEOLOGICAL or HISTORICAL or LITERARY PROOF of AryanInvasionTheory which you have been mugging up to score good in exams?!!
Re: Re: @piri - Proof for all Indians belonging to the same gene-
by Anti Skeptic on Apr 09, 2012 09:07 PM
Did you go through the article or are you still clutching on to your fragile ego?!!
Re: Re: Re: Re: @piri - Proof for all Indians belonging to the sa
by Anti Skeptic on Apr 09, 2012 09:19 PM
What makes you think that I give you articles which i DONT read?!!!!
Re: @piri - Proof for all Indians belonging to the same gene-pool
by Rivka Mishra on Apr 10, 2012 10:43 AM
There may have not been any Aryan Invasion, but linguistic evidence does not support the Indian genesis of the Indo-European language family.
Re: Re: @piri
by Anti Skeptic on Apr 09, 2012 08:56 PM
harakiri, did I talk about ONE AUTHOR or ONE BOOK?!! Since when do you suffer from "Looking London Talking Tokyo" syndrome?!!
Re: Re: Re: @piri
by piri on Apr 09, 2012 09:04 PM
Please name at least one historian whose work you suggest is biased and is accepted by the CBSE and the ICSE !
If you cannot, then you are little qualified to talk about history, let alone about biases in historical works, aren't you ??
We blindly ape western historians and teach Aryan Invasion, whereas it has been proved time and again that there was nothing as Aryan invasion. Latest DNA testing suggests that all Indians have a similar DNA make-up.
Re: Concocted History taught in India
by Mahesh V on Apr 09, 2012 08:29 PM
Even in history text books only Gandhi and Nehru get most importance in our freedom struggle. All others like Bhagat Singh, Subhash Bose, Chandrashekhar Azad, etc are just a passing mention.
Re: Re: Concocted History taught in India
by Rivka Mishra on Apr 10, 2012 10:45 AM
Bhagat Singh, Subhash Bose and Chandrashekhar Azad WERE marginal figures whose contributions to Indian independence were MINIMAL. Congress party of 1920 cannot be compared with the party of today.
Re: Concocted History taught in India
by Anti Skeptic on Apr 09, 2012 08:31 PM
Forget AryanInvasion, there is an absolutely DEAFENING SILENCE on the ATTROCITIES of the PISSlamic invaders!! Even silence would have been better. But our His-storyans have gone a step further and GLORIFIED the barbarians!!
No country (be it the Saudis on the paganArabs or the British on the Vikings/French or Spain on IslamicInvasions or Israel on RomanAndIslamicInvasions etc) on this planet except India has ever glorified the invaders in any of their history textbooks!!
Re: Re: Concocted History taught in India
by Mahesh V on Apr 09, 2012 08:34 PM
Very true. In our text books inavders like Mohd Ghazni, Ghori, Mughals and others are glorified as well learned and good people, whereas facts suggest otherwise.
Re: Concocted History taught in India
by piri on Apr 09, 2012 08:34 PM
Can you please give more details about the latest DNA testing that suggested that 'all Indians have a similar DNA make up' ??
Can you please tell us which agency conducted this testing, what the details of the testing are, what the sample sizes were, what populations the samples were drawn from, what peer reviews were done for these tests, etc. ?
Re: Re: Re: Concocted History taught in India
by piri on Apr 09, 2012 08:43 PM
You are trying to escape by restricting yourself to a generalised command !!
I am sure you have not read 'Genetics and.....' completely or understood it properly yourself !!!
If you have, then please give the details I asked about the test you referred to !
Re: Re: Re: Re: Concocted History taught in India
by Anti Skeptic on Apr 09, 2012 08:46 PM
LazyBum, search for "All Indians have the same genes Times Of India" and go through the article for further details on WHO did WHAT and HOW!!
Re: Re: Concocted History taught in India
by Anti Skeptic on Apr 09, 2012 08:42 PM
Can you please give us a SINGLE ARCHAEOLOGICAL or HISTORICAL or LITERARY PROOF of AryanInvasionTheory which you have been mugging up to score good in exams?!!
Re: Re: Re: Re: Concocted History taught in India
by Mahesh V on Apr 09, 2012 08:46 PM
This is the easiest way of getting away when in a tight corner. Hahahaha
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Concocted History taught in India
by piri on Apr 09, 2012 08:51 PM
So, then why dont you provide the details I asked for if you want to corner me ??
Re: Re: Re: Concocted History taught in India
by Mahesh V on Apr 09, 2012 08:45 PM
@ piri. Ok then you please try to convince us with proof that Aryan Invasion theory is correct.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Concocted History taught in India
by piri on Apr 09, 2012 08:52 PM
So, you admit that you dont remember reading about the details of the 'test' you were referring to ??
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Concocted History taught in India
by Mahesh V on Apr 09, 2012 08:55 PM
Infact you are admitting, when I asked you for proof to prove Aryan Invasion. Hahahahaha Loser.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Concocted History taught in India
by piri on Apr 09, 2012 09:07 PM
I asked you the first question, remember ?
You do not have an answer !
Once we are settled with this matter, then I shall be very glad to talk about the so-called misconceptions and mischiefs on the so-called 'Aryan Invasion' !!
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Concocted History taught in India
by Mahesh V on Apr 09, 2012 09:10 PM
This is not a matter of who asked the question first. It is a matter of how one is able to convince the other. Get it.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Concocted History taught in India
by Mahesh V on Apr 09, 2012 09:12 PM
And you have not even made an attempt to convince me that Aryan invasion is a fact. But you are still posting useless arguments like I asked the question first.
Dont corrupt the children's minds with too much of history. Let history be dealt with as a specialization subject in the graduation and post-graduation in Arts.
History till 12th standard should be barest of bare minimum because historians areFuckedUp and biased!!
Instead concentrate more on languages, science, mathematics and extra-curriculars like sports, dance and music during the school-education.
Re: Keep history as minimal as possible
by trivandrum padmanabhan on Apr 09, 2012 08:11 PM
Through History we learn not commit the same mistakes in the bargain make new ones!!
Re: Re: Keep history as minimal as possible
by Anti Skeptic on Apr 09, 2012 08:13 PM
But what will a child do with history? Secondly, which history book teaches an unbiased history?
Re: Keep history as minimal as possible
by piri on Apr 09, 2012 08:20 PM
Read what many educationalists (there are so many eminent ones whose writings are available on the net) have to say about teaching history !
Once you are through with reading a few of them, you will understand that you have just made an utterly stuxpid statement !
Re: Re: Keep history as minimal as possible
by Anti Skeptic on Apr 09, 2012 08:27 PM
Who labelled them "EMINENT"?!! You haven't still answered as to WHICH HISTORY BOOK contains UNBIASED HISTORY with neither OMISSIONS nor COMMISSIONS!!
Re: Re: Re: Keep history as minimal as possible
by piri on Apr 09, 2012 08:40 PM
Who are 'them' ??
If you are so nervous about the motives of historians, then are you suggesting that every historian has a motive that is against what would please you ??
Are you suggesting that all historians have the same idealogical leanings ??
By suggesting that all history books are biased, are you saying that there are some books that omit and commit what others dont ??
So, are you in effect, saying that there are historians on both sides (or all sides) of the idealogical divide (divides) ??
Re: Re: Re: Re: Keep history as minimal as possible
by Anti Skeptic on Apr 09, 2012 08:41 PM
1. Any doubts about the motives of the PRE-PAID historians?!!
2. What do you mean "ALL" history books? There is ONLY ONE HISTORY BOOK taught in the schools!!
