US-wants-to-use-India-in-missile-shield-against-Russia-China So let india get fried in any mistake. Whooooow, like how jJews/gypsies/Ottomans/etc were fried between fight between Nazis and Allies during WW-I and WW-II, then angrez made back-door deal with Russian to dump india in Russian block. Broker nehru was advisex to tail russians. India already agreed to get nuclear bomb as nuclear reactors/etc like Japanese did get into their country. Indians did it for sake of energy kickbacks and more foolishness such as to not abstain on voting against Iran whom Europe is tactfully backing. A nations of fool india and china who dont agree to make something like NATO in Asia (starting with china-india-pak), this is what videshi want to prevent by such shield.
Re: desis are making more mistakes.
by E darwin on Apr 01, 2011 04:43 AM
first choice is solar power with hydrogen generation which can meet all the ENERGY energy needs of india. videshi are holding onto it so india buys those junkyards plants first like the below.
then, build those nuclear power plants on weeper island away from india. Atleast indian people will not have to bear the brunt in case videshi due a nuke bomb with it. there are also nuclear powered ship that can supply power to entire India. IT HAS RISK FOR OUR sea, so choice is our, people or marine life??
Re: Re: desis are making more mistakes.
by E darwin on Apr 01, 2011 04:47 AM
once there is joint force, on lines of NATO
Lot of things can change between South-Asia (starting with india-pak) once there is joint force on lines of NATO, followed by open border, etc.
looking back, the entire region from Africas, central-asia-turkey, india-pak to Indonesia believed in Shaman-ism-vedic and Buddist way.
the russians slurped up entire central asia, siberia, east europe who used to believe in Shamanism-vedic and Buddism. These regions were converted to iIslam and many of them to Russian christian orthodox.
Russia also wanted to take over afganistan and pakistan. And keep india quiet as being friends and dependent on them for weapons, quite like what zZionist like to do
when china took over Tibet, they had learned lessons from how Central asia was taken over. Now they have russian puppet regimes where angrez are trying to cut a deal by acting as different block. let us not talk about different continents.
it is high time Russia moves out of Dagistan and caucus. there is a reason lal bahadur shastri was pPoisoned so the beneficiary is Indira whose father had kickback account setup by Angrez with Russia.
Re: Re: Re: desis are making more mistakes.
by D S on Apr 01, 2011 04:54 AM
With russians, it was bBrute force to begin with, now they want to align with ghoras from western europe for quick gain economically yet act/fake as different block.
actually,it is two way street, rest of the ghoras want russians to be racist as well so they separate them into an isolated racist cave and weaken themselves by drifting them from the rest on linguistic, racial and religion lines.
thus, they are totally dependent on relationship and trade with ghoras. Desh need to work to keep old friends and counter all these moves. yes, lal bahadur shastri case is unfortunate, all this because after WW-II, winning countries decided which dependent-subservient nations will be with which block. And angrez asked Nehru( a broker of angrez) to align with Russians. Today, ghoras from west go for expanding business all over Aisa. they also go to deep regions of RUssia such as siberia where shamans were converted to orthodox christian and try to win sympathies of those who hid their Shaman beliefs(did not fully convert) by acting like them and acting as a block different from Russians.
Ultimately win over them and convert them as well. All this done with underhand handshake with Russians. the conversion of remaining is done by faking that yours and our belief are not very different/etc. Also, keep them away from joining hands with mMuslim converts who also want to understand their original faith of Shamanism-vedic and Buddism.
Re: Re: Re: Re: desis are making more mistakes.
by D S on Apr 01, 2011 04:54 AM
actually ghoras want to surround them in various way including economics dependence, race, religion, etc.
Angrez applied intelligence to that rRacist superior thing. Not a brute sort of force as many do as you can see in Russia and Australia.
So they dDivided people quite well, make them read their media,follow their language, economic dependence, market capitalization, capitalist capitalization (L mittal, vedanta, Tata), etc.
The USSR required reform not dismantling - because it was the appropriate counterweight to US hegemony.
It was a majestic and mammoth country spanning from the Atlantic to the Pacific, with several time zones, a mighty scientific community and a massive military machine. The country had sufficient reserves of mineral wealth which gave it the cushion to convert itself from an inefficient to a dynamic economic entity.
No doubt the country required economic, political and social reform.
Socialist production was not able to match up to the requirements of the people leading to shortages and hoarding with the resultant disillusionment among the masses.
After a period of political fluidity, Mikhail Gorbachev appeared on the political landscape of the USSR succeeding President Yuri Andropov - the former KGB boss - the guy had a good smile and the west felt attracted to him.
Deng Xiaoping brought in economic reforms but maintained the hold of the CCP in China, but Gorbachev felt otherwise and brought in Glasnost (openness) and Perestroika (restructuring) believing these would eventually lead to economic rehabilitation. But this proved wrong, a politically suppressed and economically debilitated people overthrew the regime and the mighty Soviet empire imploded - not by external invasion but by the miscalculation of its own leadership - and that was Mikhail Mikhailovich Gorbachev. The west still loves him but lives a non descript life in Moscow.
Re: Mikhail Gorbachev
by Srinivasan Ramiah on Mar 31, 2011 08:12 PM
Imtiaz, I appreciate your nice analysis of the situation. I feel Mr. G had no other alternative. How long can you keep up the facade of "Socialst Superiority" through an Iron Curtain? The Russian people were fed up of 80 Years of Deceit and Suppression!
Re: Re: Mikhail Gorbachev
by Jai Babu on Mar 31, 2011 08:23 PM
But the breakup of the Soviet Union led to economic emancipation of Russia as it no longer had to subsidize unviable socialist satellite states! Russia is a robust growing economy today as are countries like Ukraine, Georgia, Kazakhstan, etc.
Another effect of Gorbachov was the weakening of East Germany and the subsequent breaking of the Berlin wall and of course the eventual re-unification of Germany!
Re: Re: Mikhail Gorbachev
by IMTIAZ KHAN on Mar 31, 2011 11:27 PM
Deng once said, it does not matter the colour of the cat in so far as it catches mice. He embarked on a capitalist path retaining the grip of the CCP on power and called his capitalist reforms as Socialism with Chinese characeristics. This was in 1978, when Deng emerged from being earlier banished by Mao as a capitalist roader.
Gorbachev had that reference point. It was completely futile to break up the Soviet Union.
There can neither be complete capitalism or socialism in any society - both are ideological pivots which governments unnecessarily hang on to. A capitalist society requires a bit of socialism which they call welfarism, while a socialism society requires a majority of the tools of production to be with private individuals so that government can concentrate its energy on social security. What is required is Pragmatism.
Remember, if a discontented people are allowed freedom under glasnost or perestroika, they will revolt rather than use their common sense - which is what happened. If Gorbachev had first brought in economic reforms and followed up with politico-social reforms then it is possible in all likelihood the Soviet Union would not have imploded.
Gorbachev should share that blame not partially but absolutely.
Re: Mikhail Gorbachev
by harish krishnamurthy on Mar 31, 2011 08:30 PM
Dear Sir,
Your analysis is right on dot, but for one moment think, the reform happened in times of peace, so Russia is still here, no guarantee, what it would have been ten years hence, in a violent times. If Russia had broken up today, it would have been disastrous.
Re: Re: Mikhail Gorbachev
by IMTIAZ KHAN on Mar 31, 2011 11:33 PM
Harish : That is a matter of conjecture.
Please bear in mind the present violent times were initiated by the US, which first created the Afghan Mujahideen and then the Taliban out of refugees who flocked to Pakistan after the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan in 1979.
The current violent times are a gift of the US to the rest of the world.
Out of the 15 Republics which constituted the Soviet Union, a majority were Muslims who were kept secular by Soviet socialism - which by and large continues till date. The problem arises from parts where the US intervened to teach the atheist soviets a lesson by a religious genie so as to bleed them dry - which was in fact the objective and motto of the US - and lo we have the current situation.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Mikhail Gorbachev
by IMTIAZ KHAN on Apr 01, 2011 11:20 AM
Yes sir.
The Taliban was created at the behest of the US by Benazir Bhutto's then Interior Minister General Nasirullah Babar (mid 1980's). The objective was simple - to fight the atheist Soviets with an ultra religious outfit called the Taliban. The cold war, as you may be knowing, was an ideological war between not only a socialist and capitalist system but also between atheism and theism. It is another matter that the Soviets were more god fearing than the so called godly Americans.
This happened after the initial Afghan Mujahideen was found not to be as viral as the US wanted.
You will be surprised that Afghanistan was called the Switzerland of the east and a prolific tourism destination till 1973 when King Zahir Shah was over thrown by his own cousin at the instance of the Soviets. The country however remained by and large free of religious violence.
The Bin Laden family are fellow wahabis and was invited to Saudi Arabia by the Wahabi regime to undertake various large civil projects. Osama was initially with the CIA. He wanted to overthrow the Saudi regime which the US did not allow because the regime itself was a vasal of the US. Once the plot was open, the regime went behind him and he fled to Sudan and then migrated to Afghanistan after the Taliban took over. With the departure of Soviet troops from Afghanistan, the unemployed taliban along with Osama became the extension arm of the Pak army to wage jihad in Kashmir, their unfinished agenda.
The USSR required reform not dismantling - because it was the appropriate counterweight to US hegemony.
It was a majestic and mammoth country spanning from the Atlantic to the Pacific, with several time zones, a mighty scientific community and a massive military machine. The country had sufficient reserves of mineral wealth which gave it the cushion to convert itself from an inefficient to a dynamic economic entity.
No doubt the country required economic, political and social reform.
Socialist production was not able to match up to the requirements of the people leading to shortages and hoarding with the resultant disillusionment among the masses.
After a period of political fluidity, Mikhail Gorbachev appeared on the political landscape of the USSR succeeding President Yuri Andropov - the former KGB boss - the guy had a good smile and the west felt attracted to him.
Deng Xiaoping brought in economic reforms but maintained the hold of the CCP in China, but Gorbachev felt otherwise and brought in Glasnost (openness) and Perestroika (restructuring) believing these would eventually lead to economic rehabilitation. But this proved wrong, a politically suppressed and economically debilitated people overthrew the regime and the mighty Soviet empire imploded - not by external invasion but by the miscalculation of its own leadership - and that was Mikhail Mikhailovich Gorbachev. The west still loves him but lives a non descript life in Moscow.
The USSR required reform not dismantling - because it was the appropriate counterweight to US hegemony.
It was a majestic and mammoth country spanning from the Atlantic to the Pacific, with several time zones, a mighty scientific community and a massive military machine. The country had sufficient reserves of mineral wealth which gave it the cushion to convert itself from an inefficient to a dynamic economic entity.
No doubt the country required economic, political and social reform.
Socialist production was not able to match up to the requirements of the people leading to shortages and hoarding with the resultant disillusionment among the masses.
After a period of political fluidity, Mikhail Gorbachev appeared on the political landscape of the USSR succeeding President Yuri Andropov - the former KGB boss - the guy had a good smile and the west felt attracted to him.
Deng Xiaoping brought in economic reforms but maintained the hold of the CCP in China, but Gorbachev felt otherwise and brought in Glasnost (openness) and Perestroika (restructuring) believing these would eventually lead to economic rehabilitation. But this proved wrong, a politically suppressed and economically debilitated people overthrew the regime and the mighty Soviet empire imploded - not by external invasion but by the miscalculation of its own leadership - and that was Mikhail Mikhailovich Gorbachev. The west still loves him but lives a non descript life in Moscow.
The USSR required reform not dismantling - because it was the appropriate counterweight to US hegemony.
It was a majestic and mammoth country spanning from the Atlantic to the Pacific, with several time zones, a mighty scientific community and a massive military machine. The country had sufficient reserves of mineral wealth which gave it the cushion to convert itself from an inefficient to a dynamic economic entity.
No doubt the country required economic, political and social reform.
Socialist production was not able to match up to the requirements of the people leading to shortages and hoarding with the resultant disillusionment among the masses.
After a period of political fluidity, Mikhail Gorbachev appeared on the political landscape of the USSR succeeding President Yuri Andropov - the former KGB boss - the guy had a good smile and the west felt attracted to him.
Deng Xiaoping brought in economic reforms but maintained the hold of the CCP in China, but Gorbachev felt otherwise and brought in Glasnost (openness) and Perestroika (restructuring) believing these would eventually lead to economic rehabilitation. But this proved wrong, a politically suppressed and economically debilitated people overthrew the regime and the mighty Soviet empire imploded - not by external invasion but by the miscalculation of its own leadership - and that was Mikhail Mikhailovich Gorbachev. The west still loves him but lives a non descript life in Moscow.
to Gorbacheve but never gave him. In turn , it disintegerated USSR and Gorbacheve out of power and Russian scene. Once a super power country became popper...
Re: Re: Re: US showed Carrot tied to a stick
by IMTIAZ KHAN on Mar 31, 2011 07:14 PM
Pat : India is no USSR. We have lived thru civilisations from our ancient to modern history. They came and went - but we carry on. There is no power on earth which can dismantle India - trust your country.
Re: US showed Carrot tied to a stick
by IMTIAZ KHAN on Mar 31, 2011 07:11 PM
Gorbachev was no kid when he assumed power in the USSR. He was a stupid man who presided over the liquidation of a massive and majestic empire.
Re: Re: US showed Carrot tied to a stick
by Srinivasan Ramiah on Mar 31, 2011 08:16 PM
No Imtiaz, Mr.G was not a fool. He simply did not want the agony of Russian people to be prolonged further thro' Deceit!
