Mr. Advani does not realize that in this country, there is no scope left for an honest statement.
We are so enamoured with postures where Digvijay talks about secularism, Rahul talks about ending dynasties in politics, Pawar & Karuna talking about ending corruption but all this while no one repeat no one has tried to analyse (critically or otherwise) why emergency was declared, how Punjab problem was created, why did Congress govt in centre first armed, trained LTTE and then signed an accord with Jaiwardhne, who is responsible for massacre of Sikhs in 1984 and what were the contents of the letter which was carried by Madhav Singh Solanki to Swiss PM.
But here is one politician who has the guts to analyse his own actions with a moral as well as gain and loss perspective.
And he gets abused from both sides. The atmosphere has been so vitiated that there is no middle ground left. In this situation, anyone who is a BJP supporter is forced to hate Muslims, support masjid demolition, support Muthaliks and adopt a strident posture on Muslim appeasement even if muslims do not get anything out of it. On the other side, if one is a secularist, he has to support congress, abuse BJP leaders, believe that RSS is a terrorist organization etc. etc.
Re: No environment for fair analysis
by SeekOnlyTruth on Mar 14, 2011 06:53 PM
Great thought!! After Atal B Vajpayee-(he was always the right man in the wrong party) the secong to realise was Mr.Jaswant Singh, Now Its Mr Advani the hare core muslim hater...... At one time or other its the truth that prevails.......... It took nearly all his life to correct himself .....his followers should see that hatred has never done good to any body nor it will do to in future.........
Re: Re: No environment for fair analysis
by Mahesh Jagga on Mar 14, 2011 07:00 PM
May be you misunderstood. I had appreciated Advani's courage to look back at his and party's actions and analyse critically unlike other parties and politicians which live by dogmas and sprout postures day in and day out.
Re: Re: Re: No environment for fair analysis
by SeekOnlyTruth on Mar 14, 2011 11:16 PM
May be i misunderstood your message on board......... will u not agree that in India only extremist seems to rule......either in opposition or in ruling. In opposition its anti-muslimism, in ruling its anti-hinduism. they are in ruling coz they dragged here by all means here since Independence, Opposition is here.....surviving by criticizing muslims.......it could have been better if it could have thrown lights on corruptions, scams, dirty politics.........rather than enjoying their meaningless victory by demolishing ruins which would have itself collapsed had given few more years.......
hope we don't fall in verbal cacophony here atleast !!
the biggest hypocrite - in the name of Hinduism he is cheating both Hindus as well as the nation BJP was in power for 5 yrs and did nothing on the temple issue, now he will take it as agenda due to elections and once again the Hindus will be cheated as usual, double standard, fellow in the whole nation
it was not dented when babri dancha was destroyed but dented very badly when u and jaswant singh praised Jinnah (creator of pakistan)....many like me who supported BJP feel cheated by this praise of your's....
i have no problem if u criticize nehru or gandhi for once but i will object if u try to praise jinaah....
Re: Re: no
by Wahaj Faridy on Mar 14, 2011 03:16 PM
only thing praiseworthy in his opinion was that he did not call Jinnah a pseudo-secular.
Actually this is a fact. But Given fact that Advani is neither secular, nor pseudo-secular (... but an open communal leader), there is actually NO PRISE involved in his calling Jinnah a Secular
Re: Re: no
by Pradeep Kumar on Mar 14, 2011 03:30 PM
Advani is just another hypocrite, if the father of pakistan was so secular why he left pakistan during partition? will he admit that it was a mistake to leave pakistan during partition?
Re: Re: Re: no
by Prem Mohan on Mar 14, 2011 03:51 PM
The father of Pakistan may or may not have been secular but the rest of the country was definitely not secular.
had they not shown Indian majority's rabid communal face to international community, USA and Israel would not have drwan closer... and decided to make india a strong Strategic partner !!
What a pity I can not take proud in progress of my own country as it is part of strategy of west to strengthen anti-Izlam!c forces
Re: Advani, BJP contribution to india is ENORMOUS
by gegong apang on Mar 14, 2011 09:08 PM
Even if your theory does not seem to be true, it is good cause. Islam is very dangerous ideology especially for non muslims. Wherever muslims are in majority the minorities are constantly persecuted and subjugated. Look at ALL MUSLIM countries. Most of these countries discriminate the minority. The state it self has discriminatory laws against minorities. In Pakistan in 1947 Hindu population was in double digit percentage, now it is < 1 %. Same is the case with Bangladesh.
Re: Re: Advani, BJP contribution to india is ENORMOUS
by Kris Kane on Mar 14, 2011 02:57 PM
Radicalism and talibanism know no boundaries or ideologies.
Its the uncivilized nature of people that is to blame.
A mzxlim from Turkey is more civilized (whether religious or seczxkular) than a mszxlim from Afghanistan or a hzcindu from Telangzana.
Same goes with hzcindus of different regions.
In India, the most uncivilized scumbags come from subcultures with an "entitlement" and "victimhood" complex..
Eg: Gujars of rajasthan who block trains for reservations, Telanganites of south india who despise south indians though they themselves are south indians (lets not get into how messd up they r).
As such, uncivilized people can only sustain uncivilized politics.
March 2001 - bamiyan buddhas blasted by uncivilized Talibaan
March 2011 - telugu cultural icons destroyed by uncivilized telanganites.
Reason ? religion for one, region for another..
Whether its Talibaan, MNS or TRS - the hatred involved is the same.
Make people civilized, get rid of their "entitlement" mindset and improve their literacy and work ethic - you'll see most problems in the world disappear.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Advani, BJP contribution to india is ENORMOUS
by gegong apang on Mar 14, 2011 09:18 PM
The evidence is there for all to see. Most of the terror attacks are from Muslims. Why is it so? If it is a peaceful religion then this should not have been the case. Why are the muslim countries not secular? Why do the muslim countries discriminate against it's minority? In Saudi, it is crime to practice any other religion other than islam. Please let us know why there is so much violence and intolerance by muslims? It is not just against non muslims. Sunnis kill shias and ahmedias routinely in Pakistan. Bahai's are the most persecuted muslims by both shia and sunni.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Advani, BJP contribution to india is ENORMOUS
by Jai Babu on Mar 14, 2011 03:35 PM
Do the jehadies hold the sole right to behave irrationally & indulge in religious hatred? Again dont just say Mus1ims! There is a clear distinction in my mind between Is1am & Mus1ims. There are 1)Moderate sane Mus1ims and 2)Fanatic radical Muslims but sadly, Islam has been irrevocably radicalized.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Advani, BJP contribution to india is ENORMOUS
by Jai Babu on Mar 14, 2011 03:39 PM
THERE IS NO MODERATE ISLAM! To suppose that the character of Islam is such that it can peacefully co-exist with followers of other faiths is, to be candid, an absurd proposition. Islam preaches that it alone is the true religion and that IT will dominate the world and impose its will on all other religions and upon democratic institutions. Islam includes as its basic tenant the spread of its faith by any and all means necessary,including conquest of non-believers, and demands of its followers that they implement violent jEhad against those un-willing to convert or submit. Apologists for Islam who take the view that their religion is actually a “religion of peace” are, in so many words, either lying or are hopelessly uniformed
The demolition of babri structure was planned and executed by your goodself and now you are shedding crocodile tears. The credibility of the BJP was not dented by the demolition of babri structure and in fact that incident fetched you the opportunity to make a goverment at the center. The actual loss of credibility happened when you spineless people started working on real time. There was one action less wonder called A B Bajpayee as PM who was nothing more than a good speech writer and deliverer.Your party lost credibility at the moment the Kargil war started, the moment IA fight hijacked by pakistanis lifted off from Amritsar and so many other occassions ..... It is better you do not come to public eye rest of your life.. You are not a patriotic, just another hypocrate sitting in the parliament...
Muslims are today in league with poorest of the poor in India. How come they be called a pandered or appeased community.
This slogan of appeasement of muslims was coined by communal politicians of BJP, RSS kind wherein they could only spoke of religious freedom accorded to muslims by congress.
No straight thinking person would ever agree with any appeasement theory because He will wonder how an appeased / pandered community be actually in shambles as muslims are in india in general.
Instead, if you had blamed congress for "Muslim Befooling" policy, I would have agreed with you.
Fact is that Congress is Soft communal party while BJP is hard communal.
But to speak of appeasement of minority is to speak language of hardcore communalists
Re: @Jai Babu... Stop Convoluted thinking.. Start Thinking straig
by Kris Kane on Mar 14, 2011 02:23 PM
If you r from hyderabad, we've much to discuss..
The Andhra population there is facing a serious threat from the telanzxganites who despise the very basis of our culture.
ANdhras and muzxlims must politically unite to fend them off... BJP, TRS, congzxss and comyoonists are our common enemy.
Lots of Andhrites r willing to support MIM and Owaisi ji, whose speach in assembly was well received.
Think about it and pass on the news to yuour friends from hyd.
Re: @Jai Babu... Stop Convoluted thinking.. Start Thinking straig
by Jai Babu on Mar 14, 2011 02:25 PM
Wahaj-It is a fact that many Mus1ims are amongst the poorest and backward communities in India.
I said- "The Congress and the sycophantic followers of the Gandh-Nehru family have cynically exploited the minority community and pandered to its most extremist & radical elements. " The Congress and people like Mulayam Singh Yadav, Laloo Prasad and Ram Vilas Paswan pay mere lip service to the Mus1im cause. They have a set of so called leaders or satraps who deliver bulk Mus1im community votes! The Congress has ruled India for close to 50-52 years since Independence. What has it dome for the Mus1ims?
Re: Re: @Jai Babu... Stop Convoluted thinking.. Start Thinking st
by Wahaj Faridy on Mar 14, 2011 02:30 PM
No they (congress and others) did not pander anyone - radical or otherwise.
They did nothing beyond making hollow speeches. On the ground they facilitated anti muzl!m forces to run loose and systematically devoid muzl!ms of equal opportunities.
Re: Re: Re: @Jai Babu... Stop Convoluted thinking.. Start Thinkin
by gegong apang on Mar 14, 2011 09:25 PM
Muslims themselves are to blame for their backwardness. The reason is not giving importance to modern education over madrasa education. Here is the telling fact. Muslims are backward in ENGLAND, US, FRANCE, Germany and most of the developed countries. It is not just in India. Why is it so? Surely it has got to do with their religion. Muslims should do introspection and find out answers instead of blaming all and sundry and coming up with conspiracy theories which they are good at.
Re: Re: Re: @Jai Babu... Stop Convoluted thinking.. Start Thinkin
by Jai Babu on Mar 14, 2011 02:44 PM
So who are the Ansaris, Sahabuddins, Azeem Khans, Shahi Imams, Bilals & others who are backed by Laloo, Mulayam & Paswan? These fellows were MLAs & MPs from UP & Bihar. Even Digvijay Singh spouted inanities about the 26/11 attacks in Mumbai. Over 55 Indian Mus1ims died in the Mumbai attacks but he had no time to console them or expedite relief. Instead, he travelled to Azamgarh to meet the families of the terrorist scum involved in the Batla House encounter and responsible for Jaipur & Delhi blasts! What about Congress tie up with IUML in Kerala & Tamil Nadu? Is the IUML a paragon of secular values?
There is no denying the fact that there are some extremist elements in the majority community but one needs to understand how these elements gained legitimacy due to the votebank and minority appeasement policies perpetuated by the COngress over the past 60years. Just blaming Pakistan or some Is1amist groups will not suffice. The Congress and the sycophantic followers of the Gandh-Nehru family have cynically exploited the minority community and pandered to its most extremist & radical elements. Would the Babu Bajrangis, Togadias, Dara Singhs or Pramod Muthaliks or Sadhvi Ritambharas, etc have gained public following? The Shah Bano case is a flashpoint, where Rajeev Gandhi allowed the extremist elements a political legitimacy by passing a law to negate a Supreme court order. The Ayodhya case first reached the courts in 1885 or so! The legal wrangling kept going on amonst the different claimants, but nobody else knew about it. This issue reached national centrestage in 1985-86! Rajiv Gandhi was in a fix after he pandered to fundamentalist Mus1ims on the ShahBano issue and overturned the Supreme Court judgement. In a spirit of competitive appeasementout of fear for losing the majority Hindu vote, his government permitted opening of locks and even encouraged the Shilanyas. Rest is history! Advani too milked the issue for all it was worth. All political parties soon plunged into competitive religious politics!
Re: The politicians are part of the problem and not the solution!
by Jai Babu on Mar 14, 2011 02:00 PM
In hindsight, it seems to be a blessing that Advani never became PM. This old man kept hanging on to the highest position in the party and ultimately led the BJP to doom even in a situation where the Congress led UPA had performed miserably on many fronts. The BJP has better, younger and more dynamic leaders like Sushma Swaraj, Arun Jaitely, Narendra Modi, Rajiv Pratap Rudy, etc. Advani for all his LauhPurush (Iron Man) image will be associated with flip-flops and waffling on issues like Kandahar hijack handling, Jinnah & Secularism and now Babri Ramjanmabhoomi issue!
Re: Re: The politicians are part of the problem and not the solut
by Prem Mohan on Mar 14, 2011 02:06 PM
Your analysis is spot-on, except in one respect. Mr Advani built up the BJP from scratch, but he could never match the charisma and qualities of leadership shown by the Nehru-Gandhi family. All Indians are eagerly waiting for the day when Mr Rahul Gandhi will become the PM. India will then be firmly on the path of inclusive growth.
Re: Re: Re: The politicians are part of the problem and not the s
by Jai Babu on Mar 14, 2011 02:11 PM
I am not belittling Advani's contribution to building up the BJP along with Vajpayee. But Advani is no longer relevant to the BJP's future. He is past the USE BY date! What the BJP needs to do is find a leader with pan-India appeal. Rahul Gandhi and India's PM? Laughable! He cannot be parachuted directly into that position. Let him win ONE state election for his party. The Congress has been reduced to a private limited company or fiefdom of the Nehru-Gandhi family. Currently Sonia and Rahul enjoy all the power and extra-constitutional authority without an iota of responsibility. A few seats won in UP, all hail Rahul and Sonia. A massacre in the Bihar elections and still nobody blames Rahul or Sonia? Instead the sycophants look for other scapegoats. Is there not a single leader with spine in the Congress? The Congress is in power at the Center by default as the BJP has proved to be spectacularly inept in getting through to the people on the failures of UPA 1!
