When Invaders imposed zijya, some of the poor families embrced islm. Also some of them got convrted by force. Not to deny that some of the INDIANS embrced islm volanterly.
The social backwordness didn't change despite the fac that they become mslms. In addition to social backwardness, islm further damaged the chances of their progress by following 7th century tribal laws.
No one cay deny that family planning gives quality life to kids.But Tribals can not appreciate this.
Re: Here is the real history
by Indian Rishi on Mar 13, 2011 06:19 PM
After independence, SECULAR PARTIES further damaged the nation by dividing people. Mzlms were not encouraged to take progressive path. They become so poor, it becomes huge problem for INDIA to deal with.
The only way they can join mainstream is by family planning.Muslims have every right to live and develop in this country.Nobody is denying that.But they have to sort out their basic problem -family planning.Otherwise nobody can come to their rescue.
Re: Indian Muslims
by jayraj on Mar 13, 2011 04:53 PM
The majority of the poor in India are not the muslims, it is the hindus. Who cares the majority in India huh? The tolerance and broad mindedness had always been misused and abused!
Re: Re: Indian Muslims
by ahamedshaffiq@rediffmail.com on Mar 13, 2011 03:55 PM
Biggest myth is that Muslims will increase social standard if they done family planning.
Can Africans increase their social standards if they reduce their babies? Answer - No Can Singapore/HongKong/Japn Reduce their social standards if they increase their babies? Answer - No.
Is Dalits increase their social standards by having less babies?
Re: Re: Re: Indian Muslims
by Ahamed on Mar 13, 2011 04:08 PM
Its other way.
Social backwardness of muslims is reason for high-birth rate. Once Socially and educationally improved,There will be much better family planning for them.Since its related with quality education,quality shelter and upbringing.
Uplift Social backwardness of muslims.
Most progressive states like kerala , where muslim families even islamic scholars are having only 2 or less children
1.52 Muslim countries only India Provides Haj Subsidy 2.52 Muslim countries only India Provides Special Rights 3.Show one Muslim country, which has a Non-Muslim as its President or Prime Minister 4.Show ONE Mullah or Maulvi who declared a Fatwa against terrorists. 5.Maharashtra Kerala Bihar Pondicherry had muslim CM can U ever imagine Hindu CM for J&K 6.In 1947 Hindu population in Pakistan was 24% today it is 1% 7.In 1947 Hindu population in Bangladesh was 30% today it is 7% 8.Muslim population in India has gone up from 10.4% to 14% Whereas Hindu population in India has come down from 87.2 to 85% 9.Do Hindus Human Rights??? Are Hindus Fundamentalist?? If Hindus R Fundamentalist how come Madarasas & Masjids are thriving 10.When uniform is compulsory for school children why No Uniform Civil Code for the Citizens?? 11.Abdul Rehman Antulay was made trustee of Siddhi Vinayak Temple Can Laloo OR Mulayem dream of becoming a trustee of Madarasa or Masjid. Hinduism is a way of life.Sarvajana sukino Bhavanthu-Let everyone be happy.
Re: Re: what more do you want ?
by Jayaraman V on Mar 14, 2011 08:50 PM
My problem is that, in spite of this situation, Muslims claim that they are disadvantaged in this country. Should they feel so, they are free to migrate to Pak or BDesh or Afghan !!
Re: Re: Re: what more do you want ?
by JGN on Mar 13, 2011 12:37 PM
Indians have chosen India to be a secular country. It is decision of Indian people. Why do you have problem with that?
Re: Re: Re: Re: what more do you want ?
by Santosh on Mar 13, 2011 01:26 PM
India is a secular democratic country only because Hindus are in majority. If muslims are in majority, India also would have been an Islamic Replblic like Pakistan.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: what more do you want ?
by JGN on Mar 13, 2011 01:57 PM
same old Sanghi propaganda! Apply your mind and see to it that the only way India can exist is secular way! Otherwise India will explode into thousand pieces!
Re: Re: Re: Re: what more do you want ?
by this that on Mar 13, 2011 01:24 PM
I HAVE A PROBLEM WITH ISLAMIC COUNTRIES UNABLE TO CREATE CAPACITY FOR PROVIDING HUMAN RIGHTS TO MINORITIES AS PER UN STANDARDS. THIS INACTION IS BARBARIC.
Re: Re: Re: Re: what more do you want ?
by Indian on Mar 13, 2011 12:53 PM
Jayaraman has done a good analysis. His points are well taken. JGN is a Porki agent.
Re: Re: what more do you want ?
by Jayaraman V on Mar 14, 2011 08:47 PM
It is the subsidy provided by Indian Govt for Indian Muslims to undertake Haj trip ! what else ? Is there a similar grant to Hindus for undertaking Hindu pilgrimages within India, leave alone outside ?? In fact, this question was raised in SC, but Congress govt has not answered yet !
Re: what more do you want ?
by meranaam on Mar 13, 2011 03:49 PM
1.THEy dont need Haj subsidy 2.Even hindus & sikhs buddhists have special rights 3.how many in india & they dont have public support there , othey dont win electionc 4.Many....u have very least knowledge ....haha 5.there r hindu ministers....they need majority 6.Again wrong information....use wikipedia 7.same as 6 8.infertility problem 9.yes. wats d definition of fundamentalist.... 1 who follows religion to the basic level....nothing wrong 10.same drug 4 goats and lions 11.y not...search history. . . . nice 2 talk wid u .. UNITE DONT DIVIDE
Re: what more do you want ?
by Ahamed on Mar 13, 2011 04:47 PM
1.52 Muslim countries only India Provides Haj Subsidy .
The Haj subsidy is an airfare subsidy given to Indian Muslim Hajj pilgrims. Pilgrims applying through the Haj Committee of India are offered the concessionary fare. The Government of India pays the subsidy to Air India. After considerable pressure from Muslim groups and the Ministry of Minority Affairs, the Congress government in 2010 decided to begin phasing out the Haj subsidy that had been in operation since 1993.
2.52 Muslim countries only India Provides Special Rights.
One of pillar of democracy is that protection of miniority by laws.In any state,miniorites be it religion,race,lingstic and sexual-orientation,they are easily vunerable. In most democratic country like US have special rights for miniority.One exemple is affirmative program (Reservation) in colleges like harvard and companies like IBM.Anybody can start media/newspaper in US only one condition that 10% of employees and 10% news should be allotted to blacks (which put laeding newspapers and channels into shame where represenation of mulsims and dalits is low.For your information lot os muslim countries have separate family laws for each communites.one exemple is iran and syria etc.
3.Show one Muslim country, which has a Non-Muslim as its President or Prime Minister. We are discussing indian muslims,When is this countries have democracy.only recently people's relovolution is storming this dictators. Anyway Few examples - Lebanon's ,Iraq's n
Re: Re: what more do you want ?
by Ahamed on Mar 13, 2011 04:48 PM
3.Show one Muslim country, which has a Non-Muslim as its President or Prime Minister.?
We are discussing indian muslims,Anyway When is this countries have democracy.only recently people's relovolution is storming this dictators. Anyway Few examples - Lebanon's ,Iraq's number two tariq aziz is christian and Senegal is 95% Muslim yet it has had an open Christian president from 1960 to 1981.
Once these countries became more democratic,they will get a obama or a MMS.
One Question to you.
Is there any muslim ministers in BJP-Ruled states like Gujarat and Karnataka where muslims population is more than 10%.
Re: Re: Re: what more do you want ?
by Ahamed on Mar 13, 2011 05:08 PM
4.Show ONE Mullah or Maulvi who declared a Fatwa against terrorists.
Not only most,Almost all scholars declared that terrorism is not part of islam and 99.9999999% of indian muslims does not preach terrorism even after having poor social conditions,proverty.Can you disagree with that?. One more question, Which islamic scholar in India preaches Terrorism?
5.Maharashtra Kerala Bihar Pondicherry had muslim CM can U ever imagine Hindu CM for J&K? Yes its possible,They have hindu ministers in cabinet. Is there any muslim ministers in BJP-Ruled states like Gujarat and Karnataka where muslims population is more than 10%.
6.In 1947 Hindu population in Pakistan was 24% today it is 1% In 1947 , Major hindu population is migrated to India,Same Question is asking by Right_wing groups in Pakistan that percentage of muslims in state of punjab,UP and Gujarat is more than 25%.Its anwser is same that majority of them migrated to pakistan.Also miniorties like christians and muslims in pakistan is facing discrimination from extremists and right-wing groups more or less same like muslims facing from right-wings groups in india.
Re: Re: Re: Re: what more do you want ?
by Ahamed on Mar 13, 2011 05:09 PM
7.In 1947 Hindu population in Bangladesh was 30% today it is 7% During partition, Major migration and riots happened in bengal and western states.Anwser is same as above.You can literature like tamas,train to pakistan or movies like 1947 to know what happened in that period.
8.Muslim population in India has gone up from 10.4% to 14%.Whereas Hindu population in India has come down from 87.2 to 85%
High inferility rate due to social-backwardness of community.But Rate of growth is decreasing for muslim community as Literarcy rate is increasing.
9.Do Hindus Human Rights??? Are Hindus Fundamentalist?? Yes,what is you meant by Fundamentalist. Extremists exist in all religious and non-religious groups.
10.When uniform is compulsory for school children why No Uniform Civil Code for the Citizens?? India is defined by value "Unity in diversity".There are 10000 cultures co-exists in india,fundementally different one. Wearing turban,Wearing scarf,wearing cross,wearing bindi is associated with personal and religious choice.This is nothing to do uniform.That's why sikhs are allowed to turban in army too.Making one law for culture for all communities will destroy diversity and multi-culturalism of india.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: what more do you want ?
by Ahamed on Mar 13, 2011 05:10 PM
11) Abdul Rehman Antulay was made trustee of Siddhi Vinayak Temple Can Laloo OR Mulayem dream of becoming a trustee of Madarasa or Masjid.
In Kerala,Hundreds of temples,masjids and churchs having represntive from other communities.Every religious functions will be attended by other communities too.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: what more do you want ?
by Jayaraman V on Mar 14, 2011 09:37 PM
7.&8. have already answered under 6. 9. For understanding about fundamentalism, one must first analyze the origins. One who declares that his religion is the ONLY religion which deserves to exist and ALL the others must vanish IS a fundamentalist religion. In this case, Islam declares that it is the only TRUE religion and Hindus are kaafirs. Whereas, Hindus declare that there is only one TRUTH and people are FREE to choose different paths to reach this TRUTH. This open-hearted approach CAN NEVER be fundamentalistic. Just use this yardstick when you want to check any religion for secular credentials. 10. UCC means uniform civil laws for all people. how about marriage and divorce for example ? Why Muslims can have FOUR wives but others only ONE ? This is another reason for skewed growth of Muslims vis-a-vis Hindus & Christians. This cannot be hidden under cultural diversity !
Re: Re: Re: Re: what more do you want ?
by Jayaraman V on Mar 14, 2011 09:23 PM
4. Bukhari or Madani are Maulvis right ? what do they preach - non-violent struggle ?? 5. has been answered under 3. 6. The truth is that family planning was thrust upon Hindus in India, whereas it was not even conducted for Muslims for want of minority votes by unscrupulous politicians. The only rebel who understood this was Sanjay Gandhi who unfortunately succumbed to mysterious accident.
Re: Re: Re: what more do you want ?
by Jayaraman V on Mar 14, 2011 09:17 PM
3. dunno about Gujarat, but there is Mumtaz Ali Khan in Karnataka BJP govt. also, remember that for Muslims to be elected as Ministers, they must first of all, stand for elections under BJP. I am not even talking about this, but there has been so many Muslim Presidents in India, why there has been no Hindu president in Pak or BDesh ?
Re: Re: what more do you want ?
by Jayaraman V on Mar 14, 2011 09:03 PM
1. Even according to you the subsidy is in place NOW and there is NO such subsidy for Hindu pilgrims. 2. What protection has been provided by Muslim countries to Hindus living there ? (e.g) regular demolition of Hindu temples take place in Pak and Malaysia, Hindu leaders are kept under illegal jail terms all the time. The M.E countries are worse off even for Indian or BDeshi Muslims, leave alone others like Christians or Hindus ! for your information, both Lebanon and Iraq are not Muslim nations. At least before US invaded Iraq and killed Saddam, Iraq was a secular country with full freedom for Muslims and Christians and was not a declared Muslim state. In Lebanon, there is a mix of Christians, Sunnis and Shias among the population, so it also does not count in this category. A simple question - Can a minority person aspire to become the Head of State in Malaysia or Pakistan or BDesh ?
Re: Re: Re: what more do you want ?
by polkhol_13@rediffmail.com on Jun 21, 2011 08:13 AM
My home town MLA giving so much to Mandirs and Dharamsalas under the MLA fund that its % more than 50% and its a congress MLA. apply same to every other MLA/MP is it not a subsidy?
Re: Re: HENCEFORTH ONLY TALK ABOUT POOR HINDUS BECAUSE
by Ramakrishna Rao on Mar 13, 2011 05:24 PM
people like u are surviving in this country because of hindus,had it been pak u would have been chopped n killed under blephemy law
