The book seems to be written for some vested intersts ( read congress or nehru family or anti patel lobby etc.. etc.. ) . Ramachandra Guha cannot be taken as a historian, he is a pseudo historian and his writings are always biased. Fit to be thrown into dustbin
Its only middle class which is making country move in spite of severe problems. As such the whole system has collapsed but then there are stalwarts within these systems who because of their values are making the system move. Such stalwarts can be found in indian administration especially in IAS & IPS (also in provincial services), Indian army, teaching community and a few corporates like Tatas. They all come from Middle class barring corporates and they certainly are few in numbers. the indian middle class is very competitive and a few among them are able to move out of country and perform well over there and produce a good name for country. Those who remain in India are the biggest asset of country be they in form of Engineers, Doctors or any other professional services. This country has been sold by politicians who have no ideology as correctly pointed out by Guha. The country is running in the name and faith of God because people have only fear of God. And if in spite of these rot it is still surviving, then it is certainly because of indian middle class
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by E darwin on Jan 30, 2011 11:22 PM
remember, angrez were very successful in place where they were sizable mosleem converts who were previously buddist-vedic like Malaysia, India, Pak region, etc. Rest of the place like burma/nepal, they had to spend money to hire/keep regiments.
Egypt/middle-east were their own culture/religion before arabs imposed islam. thus another region where angrez could establish themselves like india.
Re: Re: pal - Re: Re: India and ItsHeritage Plunder by Extremists
by E darwin on Jan 30, 2011 11:40 PM
india did not get freedom in 1947 and democracy never arrived. it is not direct election of PM/CM by people and direct impeachment powers to people. India is ticket(mp/mla) distribution/rRacketing system to greedy-slave MP/MLAs who are not loyal to people of india, this raceketing system is run by a nNexxus/cartel of 2-3 big parties which cannot be called democracy. they have guts to call it democracy. The slave MP/MLAs are loyal to the ticket racketing cartel,but not to the people of india.
INDIAN PEOPLE WILL SOOON RISE UP TO SH1P SONIA AND HER HALF BAKED SON WHO IS INSTALLED IN THE THROWN BY C1A AND VAT1CAN MOLE? TIME IS RIPE NOW FOR THE CATOL1CS AND CUTLE1S TO ABANDON THE SHIP?
If yu look back it has been thousand years since the plunder of our heritage started. Even in China this was attempted but dis not proved successful.They carried our culture n 6th Century and integrated it and despite various attempts I bwelieve it mught have survived even when Communism took over ther. Here in India we faced tyrant Muslim Invaders who sold our Hindu girls in various markets in Middle east subjugated our thinking, burned our Top Universities and we did not continue a sustained fight against them unlike in China.Then the British came and these same poeple sold their soul and sold India also(Mir Jaffar) and w had to suffer untold torture under the tyrant British rule. After 1857 , People like Mangal Pandey and Rani Jhansi taught the british something they had not undestood till that time about us.That was a turning point.But these same people who were invaders and otherwise colluded withthe British to devide the continent and we are paying the price for that till now. It is not that they are not paying it- the are also dong the same. This happened because in the first place Invaders had demolished our societal values and now we are seeing it in the form of SCAMs after SCAMs.The Moral/ ethical/Societal Awareness regime has totally gone out of the window. Nothing that we percieved ourselves to be in the past exists today.Our society was one of harmonious integration believing in Equality and merit. Where are we today?
Re: India and ItsHeritage Plunder by Extremists from Abroad
by Utpal Pal on Jan 30, 2011 09:45 PM
1857 wr of independence was started by Muslims. What a fake hate filled story.
Re: Re: India and ItsHeritage Plunder by Extremists from Abroad
by E darwin on Jan 30, 2011 11:13 PM
but the muslim king was tricked and he allowed the east india company. then these idiots like mangal pandey and mosleems (converts) join east india company forces to fukkk indian peasents.
then they did not see the angrez has cantonment in burma to constrain them in case there is uprising i.e use diversity to fukk diversity.
D. Goel Pkl. afternoon 4.20pm Sunday, Jan 30 2011. the longandshort of Sri Guha'salarm is thatthe English wieldingjournalistic scribblingperhapsin zanothergeneration'stimeshall notholdpowerand influence, and for Person like Andre Beitelle and Pratap Bhanu Mehta (Pray who?)Guha feelsthelossof Intellectual Perch thatthis Bhadra-lok have enjoyed in the world of Law, Education, Administration and Jurisprudence delivering little to grass-Root underprivileged indians over past Raj legatees. Guha very much like other threatened species wails for lost el-dorado of Colonial style s of our Babus aping Perfidious Albion! Hefinds third rate commentators like Nehru the very epitome of a thinker. Has he heard of D.D Kosambi or MN Roy. Of course great thinkers true to their tryst like Sri Aurobindo, do not tell.So perhaps , Coomaraswamy or Subhas Babu. As i remember , a remark of Seminal virtue by French writer Marcel Prouse : "All of us find those Partucular Ideas to be most Clear, as are in the state of profound Confusion as our Own"- so Sri Ram Chandra Guha Sahib your Ideas of Indian's Ideas are only blown -up balloons of Behgali envisionments slightly dated..D. Goel
Re: Bengali Anglicised India that isto rescue
by apurva singh on Jan 30, 2011 11:08 PM
i agree with you. as a matter of fact, guha is quite confused. he says that people who want a separate nation should not bound by force. ridiculous. how about the miseries that will set in if india balkanizes. and then china and pak can start gobbling chunks piece meal. he is against jammu people demonstrating on NH1. but says nothing of the 40 acre land donated to the hindu temple for setting up base camp for pilgrims which was withdrawn by a similar demonstration by kashmiri muzzis. he speaks of hindu terror a la dogvijay, but forgets about muzzi terror. puts a lot of question marks on his intelligence. dont read this book.
For Corrupt Politicans who prop up one Dynasty so that can carryon thier corrupt ways. For PseudoSeculars who will bend backward to accomodate them. For Christian Missionaries who will carry on thier conversion.. handing over bags of rice. For likes of Indian Mujhaiden who has ready supporter in Digvijay Singh. For likes of crores of Bangladeshi muslims who are welcome for votes. For Sepratist whose flags are fluttering all over the valley but people carrying Indian Flags are shown the full Might of State.. Seeing these affairs am left with little affinity towards my mother land.
Corruption is rampant in India too. Corrupt nexus between politicians/bureaucrats/business houses have plundered the country. Just that Indian citizens are too tolerant and would not protest against wrongdoings. Democracy is truly in crisis in India, as citizens are not protected by law as Judiciary is corrupt too. India is turning into banana republic , which is a dangerous sign as invaders are looking for opportunities.
