The situation was severe to come to a compromise hence the opposition not succeeded in this revolt. The president made a lot of wealth and people become desperate to kill each other. The ancient democracy is under turmoil due to its constitutional set up. The military is different from our own.
Re: Mubarak HO : G.K.PILLAI
by Reportabuse on Feb 06, 2011 08:25 PM
What ancient democracy! Egypt from cloepetra days was under Western control!Even Cloepetra was not Egyptian !She was Mecedonian ....she preferred Caeasr and Mark antony thamn local Egyptanians ....brush up ur history !Only Egypt stooges working for west will be persident in future too in egypt!
Re: Re: Mubarak HO : G.K.PILLAI
by Chiranjeevi on Feb 06, 2011 08:41 PM
He is either belongs to LTTEs or Moisto Group, who is helping Uaes & Oman Terrorists, seems to be Desh Dhroohi !!! We must wipe out such elements from our country !!!
some how they came out and made protest and got there freedom what they want. But if we indians make same against corruption government we can get better result. we have to learn from egypt people .
Re: Middle East Mossad
by Russi Ormi on Feb 06, 2011 08:16 PM
The above Uaes & Omans terrorist are by product of Eiran Ormy. They are illegal children of USA & UK ormy, which was born in the late 30's. The ormy analyst says that earlier these children was by product of USA & UK ormy but the current era produces Chino byproduct too.
this is the reason,Mubaraq retained the position for the last three decades.He knows how to be fool the people of the country.He has be fooled once again.
Re: Is the Egyptian opposition stupid?
by ramachandran nair on Feb 06, 2011 08:01 PM
May be guided by Indians known for buying temporary peace through Committees.
Liberty, Freedom, Democracy and Secularism should be the guiding spirit of the reforms.
Muslims and Christians have lived together in Egypt for the last 1400 years. A person's faith should never go against the opportunities of life irrespective of his or her faith. Only such an arrangement is fair and durable.
All Christians in Egypt must have all social, economic and political opportunities as equal citizens of Egypt - a solution not encompassing these ideals is not fair and not durable.
Re: Liberty, Freedom, Democracy and Secularism - the right course
by freewill on Feb 06, 2011 08:40 PM
Imtiaz, So good to listen to these values.But alas, under muslim brotherhood it is highly questionable.
Re: Re: Liberty, Freedom, Democracy and Secularism - the right co
by IMTIAZ KHAN on Feb 06, 2011 09:33 PM
We really dont know the extent of support the Muslim Brotherhood has within the Egyptian people.
There are conflicting versions of the extent to which this outfit desires to make Egypt a theocratic state.
In a democratic Egypt, they would certainly be a factor - but to what extent is a matter of conjecture which only a fair ballot can prove.
The final guarantor of peace within Egypt is the Egyptian Army which is pronouncedly Secular. In a future Egypt, will the army allow a rabid political formation to hold so much sway that the army itself becomes irrelevant to the polity, is something I believe the Egyptian Army would never allow. It is therefore fair to expect that the threat of the Muslims Brotherhood is exaggerated.
Re: Re: Re: Liberty, Freedom, Democracy and Secularism - the righ
by Ramesh on Feb 06, 2011 11:47 PM
The final guarantor of peace within Egypt is... Imtiaz Kahn --------------------- The final guarantor for peace within society can only be rule of law, which requires a sound Constitution, functioning courts and effective policing. Army has a role only vis-a-vis external threats.
Instead of warding off external threats, if Army engages inwards at behest of some external power, the kind of peace it imposes is most unsatisfactory kind and the toll it takes to deploy Army in peace maintaining role is quite costly in socio-economic terms.
The extraordinary situation in Egypt appears to have made Army indispensable to keep peace in short term, but this is not a healthy development.
Whether the threat of brotherhood is real or not is immaterial. The rough and tumble of normal democratic politics can gain legitimacy only by including them as fellow nationalist citizens and helping the institution to evolve as a contributing right of Centre polity, as it happened in India. India also avoided McCarthyism by bringing even Communists into its fold, and this has served well to safeguard defence of India. Muslim Brotherhood would perhaps be not just crucial cultural constituent of Egypt, a critical security component as well.
Time to stop blogging again and get back to other vocations. For one more time, farewell!
Re: Re: Re: Re: Liberty, Freedom, Democracy and Secularism - the
by IMTIAZ KHAN on Feb 07, 2011 10:42 AM
Think again. The ideological moorings of the armed forces is the final guarantor of peace and ideological commitment.
While the constitution is the most valid protector of ideology but the commitment of the armed forces to constitutionalism and ideology is the final guarantor - especially in insipient democracies.
For example : A secular Turkish Constitution has a right of centre political party at the helm today willing to amend the constitution to make it Islamist. It is the unwillingness of the secular armed forces which is the final detriment. Now of course, even the courts have stepped in.
A few years back, the Islamists won a landslide victory in Algeria. The army refused to accept the results and refused to handover power. The army ran the country for a couple of years and went in for re-election.
There is a constitution in Pakistan but the army is Islamist - it repeatedly subverts the constitution.
Groups of the extreme right and left have a greater commitment to ideology than to the law and constitutionalism. Constitutionalism is an attribute of centrist politics. Since centrism is devoid of a mass mobilising philosophy, its only recourse is enforcement of the secular law, but most times it seems weak in implementing the same law. It is in these type of scenarios that the ideological commitment of the army very very important.
These are social issues and there could as many views as there are people.
Re: Liberty, Freedom, Democracy and Secularism - the right course
by Kaka on Feb 06, 2011 08:15 PM
Right, you are spot on in your assessment and future scenarios of Egypt. Let us hope that it will be a peaceful transition and all will end up smoothly
