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kidilansyam
truth!!!!
by kidilansyam on Dec 12, 2011 08:51 PM  | Hide replies

There is a huge coke bottling plant in SIVA GANGA district...

COKE setup the plant in sivaganga after they were thrown out from plachimada in kerala.

COKE had paid most of politicians in TN to get water from Mullaperiyar for free!!!

TN politicians are not fighting for farmers.. they are fighting for COKE!!!!

COKE is virtually taking all the water for free and polluting the environment too!!!
The next generation of Tamils are going to pay heavily for this apathy by their government!!!

Ask TN Govt to first stop giving free water to COKE!!!!


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Cutlet Gravy
Re: truth!!!!
by Cutlet Gravy on Dec 29, 2011 07:49 AM

So what?

Still the dam can be decommissioned URGENTLY and coke can be bottled from the decommissioned water ... so simble, no!


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Govind Lal
Let Wisdom prevail
by Govind Lal on Dec 12, 2011 06:08 AM  | Hide replies

How can can the special committee stop Kerala from providing more evidences on the safety issue? Criteria for safety changes from time to time.
It is intriguing to see how the Supreme Court could decide the safety of a dam 116 years old. It is noted that the dam was constructed using surkhi mortar. Even a child can say that this kind of dam can fail during an earth quake. There are frequent tremor in the area for the last few months. If Kerala is ready to share the water as per the present use with Tamil Nadu there is no justification for Tamil Nadu to object construction of a new dam by Kerala using Kerala’s resources and within Kerala’s boundary. Mrs Jayalalitha should apply her judicious mind to decide on the issue. Not a political mind. It is the question of the safety of 3 million people. Kerala had submitted an affidavit in Supreme Court regarding the sharing of water with Tamil Nadu. The political parties in TN should realize the dangers ahead.
The threat by Jayalalithaa of releasing the list of men who are favoured ‘in kind’ will back fire on TN. It is disheartening to read the statement of Jayalalithaa regarding safety of dam. It is to be decided by Scientists and Engineers and not by Court. Let Wisdom prevail.

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shankari
Re: Let Wisdom prevail
by shankari on Dec 23, 2011 07:44 PM
this shows how foolish your message is.Supreme court has sent a team of experts to review the the situation and make a decision.If Kerala is so sincere and agree with Tamilnadu for an agreeable proposal to sort out this issue it would have some meaning.You can see any amount of of experts of your choice.Please read central water commission report.Kerala wants to control the dam and water release.Mind you Idukki district is having majority population which was gifted by the then congress government as a guesture.Also 40% catchment areas are in tamilnadu.Please know these facts and wise

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Indian
Re: Re: Let Wisdom prevail
by Indian on Dec 26, 2011 06:08 PM
My friend, fact cannot be denied. No portion of the river is in Tamilnad and Idukki was never part of Tamilnad. Malbar was part of Tamilnad once but not Idukki. The origin and entire course of the river is in Kerala. So Tamilnad cannot have any claim whatsoever on its waters. However, the Travancore Maharaja was forced to sign an unequal treaty whereby all of the water from the river was to be given to Tamilnad for a pittance. At present, the dam is a threat to the lives of nealy 4million people. Tamil politicians oppose the construction of a new dam because Tamilnad will have to pay at least the normal rate for the water instead of the pittance theat they are paying now. They should think about the consequences of failure of the dam and stop thinking about the short term losses.

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rathish
Re: Re: Re: Let Wisdom prevail
by rathish on May 11, 2014 11:59 AM
if dam fails water will reach idukki dam safely, nothing will happen.
india releases water to pakistan from its own rivers, just because of seperation you can not deny something

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Chandran KR
Re: Re: Let Wisdom prevail
by Chandran KR on Dec 31, 2011 11:32 AM
Hello Shankari, The catchment area is also Kerala land leased out to TN. Any lease agreement violated can be scrapped.

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sojan chandy
Re: Re: Let Wisdom prevail
by sojan chandy on Jun 07, 2012 02:14 PM
who are tose experts in that commette

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nagdevi s
MULLAPERIYAR LAW SIDE
by nagdevi s on Dec 11, 2011 01:48 PM

i refered wiki for the issue of mullaperiyar.1.where is this mullaperiyar situated? `mullaperiyar is situated in idukki district of kerala.. 2.who bulit this? british govt
in 1886 a contract was signed between maharaja of tranvcore and british fo 999 years. after we got independendence in 1947 there by indian constitution came into being in 1956 janauary 26..ther by
according to article 131 of Indian constitution says that are contracts or agreements made by princely states are invalid.
law part of kerala>
if kerala wants to cancel the contract they can do it by passing a law or resolution in state legislature..law become valid when governor signs on it. part of tamil
>they can go to supreme court (executive) for appeal against law
3.central govt of india....has the power to order a settlement in the mullpaeriyar issue
i dont care about what polticians says...they are just tring to gain popularity
refer wikipedia fr full contract details and history of mullaperiyar

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maverick
Solution for this problem in simple words
by maverick on Dec 11, 2011 01:10 AM

Kerala can construct new dam without permission from TN as the land and river belongs to kerala only.After constructing new dam below the current one,then TN can increase the water level even up to 2000 feet in old dam and let it break.Matter is over,everybody happy...Otherwise come and join with kerala's party and enjoy the drink..let us have fun..

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Joseph pathickalaya
It is a matter of life .....of lakhs of people
by Joseph pathickalaya on Dec 08, 2011 09:17 PM  | Hide replies

Dam is in kerala, river is throughout in kerala, cachement area is in kerala but Tamil nadu is using the water. There is nothing wrong in that. Somebody who is in need of water is using that. But they should at least think of the life of lakhs of poor people. You, know if something happend to dam not only the lakhs of people washed off but lakhs will suffer without water. Don't forget it. Also the tears of lakhs of people will fall on those who didn't help to avoid this calamity.
What is wrong in constructing a new dam with an intention that "Water for people and safety for people". There is a saying that "Already ate rice, bit lady carpenter still the dog is murmuring". We can pary for those ..???

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Murugesan
Re: It is a matter of life .....of lakhs of people
by Murugesan on Dec 08, 2011 09:37 PM

would like to take this opportunity to thank people of KERALA for giving water.

CAN ANY UNSAFE DAM STAND FOR MORE THAN 30 YEARS?

Why are you not supporting us in strengthening the DAM if safety is your real concern?


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smith p
Re: Re: It is a matter of life .....of lakhs of people
by smith p on Dec 09, 2011 06:31 AM
For 30 years you are strengthenig it how long u ll do this. still it breaks

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Murugesan
Re: Re: Re: It is a matter of life .....of lakhs of people
by Murugesan on Dec 09, 2011 06:59 PM
We want confirmation from expert panel not from politicians or people who blindly following them.....

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Joseph pathickalaya
Re: Re: Re: Re: It is a matter of life .....of lakhs of people
by Joseph pathickalaya on Dec 09, 2011 09:17 PM
Then Why resisting the formation of expert committee..not even ready for a discussion. Why Indian Navy was not allowed to examine the dam ?

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Murugesan
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: It is a matter of life .....of lakhs of peopl
by Murugesan on Dec 09, 2011 09:24 PM
Already SC technical committee analyzed and confirmed that the DAM is safe, also verdict had been given to raise the water level.. Ok no problem once again SC has formed the committee, leave it to them, why are we unnecessarily blaming and fighting each other to make both state's politician (especially congress) happy.....

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Zacharia Mathew
Re: Re: Re: It is a matter of life .....of lakhs of people
by Zacharia Mathew on Dec 10, 2011 06:52 PM
WE CANNOT WAIT TO COMPLETE THE TERM 999 YEARS.PLS TRY TO UNDERTSTAND.OUR ISSUE IS ONLY SAFTEY OF OUR PEOPLE.WHY YOU ARE STRIKING FOR KUNDANKULAM PROJECT.YOU ARE ALSO CONCERNED THE SAFTEY OF YOUR PEOPLE.WHY DONT WE??????????

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AMUTAN NS
Re: Re: It is a matter of life .....of lakhs of people
by AMUTAN NS on Dec 10, 2011 06:40 PM
Aswan dam in Egypt , hoover dam in U.S are all more than 30 years olld

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maverick
Re: Re: Re: It is a matter of life .....of lakhs of people
by maverick on Dec 11, 2011 01:06 AM
Kerala can construct new dam without permission from TN.After constructing new dam below the current one,then TN can increase the water level even up to 2000 feet in old dam and let it break.Matter is over,everybody happy...

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suruli raja
So , according to you, court verdict is wrong?
by suruli raja on Dec 08, 2011 08:00 PM  | Hide replies

So MR Himanshu Thakkar, as per your report, DAM is not in good condition but high court sent a people analysed everythng finally release the verdict that DAM is good condition. So in that is the , according to you court verdict is wrong ?


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Murugesan
Re: So , according to you, court verdict is wrong?
by Murugesan on Dec 08, 2011 09:01 PM
CAN ANY UNSAFE DAM CAN STAND FOR MORE THAN 30 YEARS?

@Smith, you people are not shouting this today or yesterday but since 1979. How on earth is it possible for a leakage DAM to stand for more than 30 years. Speak technically, scientifically not emotionally. Apply your mind.

There can't be any worse than attacking pilgrimage going Sabarimal in God's Own Country.

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smith p
Re: Re: So , according to you, court verdict is wrong?
by smith p on Dec 09, 2011 06:32 AM
Then attack on PAlani is what. is PAlani a amusement park ? Now you guys started sprading like tamils got killed in sabarimala. Shame on u

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Murugesan
Re: Re: Re: So , according to you, court verdict is wrong?
by Murugesan on Dec 09, 2011 06:57 PM
who started first????

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Joseph pathickalaya
Re: Re: Re: Re: So , according to you, court verdict is wrong?
by Joseph pathickalaya on Dec 09, 2011 09:14 PM
Don't be emotional, man. Do you think the dam will stand for 999 years. Have any technical or scientific way to prove the safety of dam? Why resistance for the construction of a new dam to avoid the disaster. Do you think strengthening with cow-dung is enough for the stengthening of such a huge dam. Hear the cry of lakhs and lakhs...


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smith p
Re: Re: Re: Re: So , according to you, court verdict is wrong?
by smith p on Dec 10, 2011 04:30 AM
dont you know who started first, if you read ur tamil news papers u ll never know. while the protest was going on at Kumaly 300 peopel on bike came from TN and started attaking people. Dont you know abt ths. U cow d u n g headed

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Legil Sankar
Re: Re: Re: So , according to you, court verdict is wrong?
by Legil Sankar on Dec 16, 2011 05:59 PM
To Murugan
It is not "who started first". It is important how we will finish this issue. Water for TN is important. At the same time safety also important for Kerala. If Kerala Govt says they will give water to TN, they want only built Dam for People safety they what's the point you are opposing to built new Dam? You want Water? that's it. you don't need to be think it is from old dam or from the new dam. water will be same. is there any difference in water from new dam ? And you afraid TN has to pay for it. "No" Kerala will pay from their pocket and will build dam and give water to TN and you people make vegetables and send to kerala to feed us as now

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Chandran KR
Re: Re: So , according to you, court verdict is wrong?
by Chandran KR on Dec 31, 2011 11:36 AM
A leaking dam may stay for 30 years but may not stay for 31 years. use your brain murugesan. you can live till 80 does not mean that you will live till 90

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AMUTAN NS
Re: So , according to you, court verdict is wrong?
by AMUTAN NS on Dec 10, 2011 06:46 PM
From where Mr. Himanshu Thakkar got data

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kidilansyam
Re: Re: So , according to you, court verdict is wrong?
by kidilansyam on Jan 01, 2012 01:31 AM
Himanshu Thakkar is coordinator of the South Asia Network on dams, Rivers & People, edits a magazine dams, Rivers & People and has been working on waterrelated issues for more than two decades.

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Zacharia Mathew
Re: So , according to you, court verdict is wrong?
by Zacharia Mathew on Dec 10, 2011 06:54 PM
after that several eqrthquake took place.pls take this in to account.

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smith p
KA not giving water KL giving water. Tamils make problem for both
by smith p on Dec 07, 2011 11:42 PM  | Hide replies

What tamil, is you logic dead

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nethaji
And finally...
by nethaji on Dec 07, 2011 10:16 PM  | Hide replies

Do all the arguments and finally obey the Supreme Court.

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kidilanfroz
Re: And finally...
by kidilanfroz on Dec 08, 2011 12:24 AM
TN first obey SC verdict to hang Rajeev's killers!!!!

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Zacharia Mathew
Re: Re: And finally...
by Zacharia Mathew on Dec 10, 2011 06:57 PM
It is our urgent need to look options on emergency basis.

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Indian
Re: And finally...
by Indian on Dec 26, 2011 06:33 PM
My friend, people in the area had been agitating for the last five years for construction of a new dam because they could see the condition of dam with their own eyes. But there was not much of reaction from politicians in Kerala due to opposition from Tamilnad. Now, two things have changed the attitude of our politicians. The first is a study by Rourkee University which concluded that the dam will not be able to withstand an earthquake with magnitude of 6 or above. The second is a series of earthquakes in the region, of much smaller magnitude. Considering the fact that the dam is sited near a seismic fault where it is entirely possible to have an earthquake with magnitude of 6 and above and also the fact that we cannot predict an earthquake, no politician in Kerala can afford to ignore the issue. The supreme court has sat on the issue for a long time now and will probably sit on the issue for another 20yrs. The commision that came to the site to report to SC had behaved in a very partisan manner in favour of Tamilnad as did Mr.Chidambaram. DMK on which UPA depends for survival and Jayalalitha are vehemently opposed to a new dam and does not seem to be bothered about the lives of some 4million Keralites. And frankly, we are uneasy that nobody seems to be concerned about our lives but us. This is all the more galling because the river on which Tamilnad cannot have any claim is being enjoyed by Tamilnad for a pittance and they are not even bothered when our lives are threatened

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Indian
Re: And finally...
by Indian on Dec 26, 2011 06:34 PM
My friend, people in the area had been agitating for the last five years for construction of a new dam because they could see the condition of dam with their own eyes. But there was not much of reaction from politicians in Kerala due to opposition from Tamilnad. Now, two things have changed the attitude of our politicians. The first is a study by Rourkee University which concluded that the dam will not be able to withstand an earthquake with magnitude of 6 or above. The second is a series of earthquakes in the region, of much smaller magnitude. Considering the fact that the dam is sited near a seismic fault where it is entirely possible to have an earthquake with magnitude of 6 and above and also the fact that we cannot predict an earthquake, no politician in Kerala can afford to ignore the issue. The supreme court has sat on the issue for a long time now and will probably sit on the issue for another 20yrs. The commision that came to the site to report to SC had behaved in a very partisan manner in favour of Tamilnad as did Mr.Chidambaram. DMK on which UPA depends for survival and Jayalalitha are vehemently opposed to a new dam and does not seem to be bothered about the lives of some 4million Keralites. And frankly, we are uneasy that nobody seems to be concerned about our lives but us. This is all the more galling because the river on which Tamilnad cannot have any claim is being enjoyed by Tamilnad for a pittance and they are not even bothered when our lives are threatened

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Indian
Re: And finally...
by Indian on Dec 26, 2011 06:35 PM
My friend, people in the area had been agitating for the last five years for construction of a new dam because they could see the condition of dam with their own eyes. But there was not much of reaction from politicians in Kerala due to opposition from Tamilnad. Now, two things have changed the attitude of our politicians. The first is a study by Rourkee University which concluded that the dam will not be able to withstand an earthquake with magnitude of 6 or above. The second is a series of earthquakes in the region, of much smaller magnitude. Considering the fact that the dam is sited near a seismic fault where it is entirely possible to have an earthquake with magnitude of 6 and above and also the fact that we cannot predict an earthquake, no politician in Kerala can afford to ignore the issue. The supreme court has sat on the issue for a long time now and will probably sit on the issue for another 20yrs. The commision that came to the site to report to SC had behaved in a very partisan manner in favour of Tamilnad as did Mr.Chidambaram. DMK on which UPA depends for survival and Jayalalitha are vehemently opposed to a new dam and does not seem to be bothered about the lives of some 4million Keralites. And frankly, we are uneasy that nobody seems to be concerned about our lives but us. This is all the more galling because the river on which Tamilnad cannot have any claim is being enjoyed by Tamilnad for a pittance and they are not even bothered when our lives are threatened

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