if u dont need civil society, make evryone legislators! how? by creating 556 states like in pre british era! imagine th nos of MLAS/MPS/MINISTERS/ETC ETC
Dr.Mukherji must understand the sprit behind this media bluff driving hundreds of disgrunteled and un-employed youth is RSS, SanghParivar and BJP.
Today I interacted with some fifty(50 ) Gandhi caped sloganeering youths of some slums at Nariman Point;they clear say we brought with Vada pau chai and some money. We are enjoying a hunger free Sunday otherwise.
That is thier take for Mama Hazare's misguided and mis-adventure a dying media bluff on crusade against corruption.
See the response of Shiv Sena, BJP, NCP in Mumbai Municipal Corporation;the most corrupt Corporation of India;which sanctions to fill the pockets of Most corrupt road contractors, who prepare road with pot-holes and coporators.
Can our Media say if any one Corporator or MLA of these party's have come in the rescue of Mama Hazare and his fake "civil societyteam" and Lokpal Bill.
In all I am saying while supporting for a strong anti-corruption bill;we need stronger enforcement.
Govt. made a big mistake of releasing Mama Hazare from Tihar; he would have been better in Jail.
Parliament will debate on bills and pass as well amend them from time to time.
If our sworn Constitution is amended over and again, why not other bills.
Our Leaders; and Mama Hazare is not an leader or a true Gandhian too;hence must guide the enthusiastic youth and activist on a right note not mis-guide them.
Re: MORE THEN LIKE TUGS ; AND SENSELESS ARGUMENTS BY TEAM MAMA H.
by bahmophet on Aug 21, 2011 04:41 PM
right note means keeping quiet and accepting the primacy of ragool ghandy
Re: MORE THEN LIKE TUGS ; AND SENSELESS ARGUMENTS BY TEAM MAMA H.
by Rahul M on Aug 21, 2011 04:46 PM
Hi Sudhakar,
Completely agree with you. We must seriously address the issue of CORRUPTION but by having a proper system and rather correcting the present systems.
Sad to see the the crowd supporting Anna - who is a BIG TIME NAUTANKI - most from Maharashtra can relate to this FACT.
But the saddest part is this senseless Government arrested him and played into their (team anna) hands which made him big overnight.
Anyway ye NAUTANKI abhi khatam hone wali hai as this stooge does this for a period of 7-14 days - not more than that.
Nandan Nilkeni, Aruna Roy have explained very well on how should we go about correcting this corruption problem.
The dictatorship of team anna is extremely dangerous to the very thread of Indian democracy.
The pathetic thing is WHY IS IT MY WAY OR THE HIGHWAY? I am AGAINST CORRUPTION - BUT AGAINST TEAM ANNA TOO - who is this Kejriwal? Bhushan? What right they have to decide on behalf of me or even other like minded individuals which are much more in number.
Re: Re: Re: MORE THEN LIKE TUGS ; AND SENSELESS ARGUMENTS BY TEAM
by Rahul M on Aug 21, 2011 05:04 PM
Hi Joy,
Nandan never gave a proposal. He way suggesting a approach. How can he have a proposal in a 30-minute show.
Understand first that WE ALL ARE AGAINST CORRUPTION. BUT ANY LAW CANNOT BE A MAGIC WAND WHICH WILL COMPLETELY REMOVE CORRUPTION?
Its a big process which involves all of us citizens - you, me and other fellow Indians.
We do need a STRONG Lokpal Bill. Not the one which this spineless government put forth and not even the one which team Anna suggests. Their bill will in fact addin more corruption with the LOK PALS having supreme powers for POWER is one CAUSE OF CORRUPTION. We need to decentralize this POWER.
You cannot define corruption just with bribes? Corruption is a much larger issue for which we have to INTROSPECT OURSELVES and ABIDE BY LAWS.
Even downloading pirated music and movies from the internet is CORRUPTION. So get my point?
The good thing is THE POWER OF YOUTH OF TODAY - YOU ME AND OTHERS - CAN BRING IN THE MUCH NEEDED CHANGE IN THIS COUNTRY. But there are ways to do it.
Blackmailing - and ONLY WHAT WE SAY IS CORRECT - OTHER ARE WRONG - is also CORRUPTION.
I am from Maharashtra and most like me know the Nautanki of this Hazare. Please do not call him Gandhi. It is a great insult to our Mahatma.
Point is we need STRONG LOK PAL BILL - PERIOD - but with a proper understanding of its effectiveness. After all we do not want it to be just another law which we already have?
Re: Re: Re: MORE THEN LIKE TUGS ; AND SENSELESS ARGUMENTS BY TEAM
by Rahul M on Aug 21, 2011 05:04 PM
Hi Joy,
Nandan never gave a proposal. He way suggesting a approach. How can he have a proposal in a 30-minute show.
Understand first that WE ALL ARE AGAINST CORRUPTION. BUT ANY LAW CANNOT BE A MAGIC WAND WHICH WILL COMPLETELY REMOVE CORRUPTION?
Its a big process which involves all of us citizens - you, me and other fellow Indians.
We do need a STRONG Lokpal Bill. Not the one which this spineless government put forth and not even the one which team Anna suggests. Their bill will in fact addin more corruption with the LOK PALS having supreme powers for POWER is one CAUSE OF CORRUPTION. We need to decentralize this POWER.
You cannot define corruption just with bribes? Corruption is a much larger issue for which we have to INTROSPECT OURSELVES and ABIDE BY LAWS.
Even downloading pirated music and movies from the internet is CORRUPTION. So get my point?
The good thing is THE POWER OF YOUTH OF TODAY - YOU ME AND OTHERS - CAN BRING IN THE MUCH NEEDED CHANGE IN THIS COUNTRY. But there are ways to do it.
Blackmailing - and ONLY WHAT WE SAY IS CORRECT - OTHER ARE WRONG - is also CORRUPTION.
I am from Maharashtra and most like me know the Nautanki of this Hazare. Please do not call him Gandhi. It is a great insult to our Mahatma.
Point is we need STRONG LOK PAL BILL - PERIOD - but with a proper understanding of its effectiveness. After all we do not want it to be just another law which we already have?
Re: MORE THEN LIKE TUGS ; AND SENSELESS ARGUMENTS BY TEAM MAMA H.
by srinivasamurthy a on Aug 21, 2011 04:49 PM
Then why Govt is adamant to bring PM in purview of Lokpal?Safeguards can be taken to bring Lokpal recommendations to be cross checked under the ultimate provision ,which is the highest court as per constitution(high court/supreme court in that order)in case of tentative conclusion of a case of corruption.Such a method of process will cut down ample time for bringing speedier justice.Clearcut guidelines shall be drawn where such course will be recoursed when the case of corruption is highly ambiguos otherwise the lokpal recommendation shall be staright away acted upon.
Re: Re: MORE THEN LIKE TUGS ; AND SENSELESS ARGUMENTS BY TEAM MAM
by srinivasamurthy a on Aug 21, 2011 05:03 PM
It's not plitically judicious for the govt to be adamant against Anna Hazare movement which is aimed at ending currency/liqour/doles type of pseudo democracy taking the gullibility of the people by few political strategists in each political party.Majority of politicians also donot like such type of cheap but yet dangerous politics.Some politicians are masking themselves as Robin hoods and plundering the nations wealth in cahoot with the socalled coward Entrepreneurs.These type of enterpreneurs are not to be respected and put in jail to do hard core tasks.Also Anna hazare should give a thought to why society is turning corrupt and what're various forms of corruption and the resons for their birth genesis etc.Also what're the safegaurds for individuals who has worked hard and put genuine work but failed due to market driven enterpreneurship which has lot to bankupon advertising gimmicks which is killing the genuine products and thus rendering the genuine enterpreneur and his team artificail failure.
one party having power at center for more than 60 years is considered as stagnant, there is no democracy just a motley bunch of crowd making merry and earning money at peoples and countries expense putting one family at the top
corruption has been growing by leaps and bounds and if thats not rot then what is ??
these dumbos cant get prices down and giving us all kinds of advice.
Re: one party at center is stagnant
by sudhakar sk on Aug 21, 2011 04:31 PM
Dr.Mukherji must understand the sprit behind this media bluff driving hundreds of disgrunteled and un-employed youth is RSS, SanghParivar and BJP.
Today I interacted with some fifty(50 ) Gandhi caped sloganeering youths of some slums at Nariman Point;they clear say we brought with Vada pau chai and some money. We are enjoying a hunger free Sunday otherwise.
That is thier take for Mama Hazare's misguided and mis-adventure a dying media bluff on crusade against corruption.
See the response of Shiv Sena, BJP, NCP in Mumbai Municipal Corporation;the most corrupt Corporation of India;which sanctions to fill the pockets of Most corrupt road contractors, who prepare road with pot-holes and coporators.
Can our Media say if any one Corporator or MLA of these party's have come in the rescue of Mama Hazare and his fake "civil societyteam" and Lokpal Bill.
In all I am saying while supporting for a strong anti-corruption bill;we need stronger enforcement.
Govt. made a big mistake of releasing Mama Hazare from Tihar; he would have been better in Jail.
Parliament will debate on bills and pass as well amend them from time to time.
If our sworn Constitution is amended over and again, why not other bills.
Our Leaders; and Mama Hazare is not an leader or a true Gandhian too;hence must guide the enthusiastic youth and activist on a right note not mis-guide them.
For most Indians, if there is one Congress person whom they respect, it is Pranabda. We all know his limitations ( that he too has to listen to the "High Command" ) but still he has been always very decent - a wrong fit in that crowd. Any way, team Anna has been repeating and repeatedly claiming that they use only their right to express in a non-violent way and hopefully in a civilized language ( even though some try to attribute arrogance to some expressions ). But the important point is all this is about fighting corruption. So, why not focus on the issue and try to find a decent solution? When Team Anna has done half the job of legislators by preparing a draft, why Congress and govt is fighting shy to present it to parliment, corner all the parties and all the MPs to express their views / modifications, amendments etc? Give India a chance to know their legislators - that way!! Jai Hind !
Re: Team Anna behaves like legislators ! PM ( Pranabda )
by IndiaNeed AnotherFreedom on Aug 21, 2011 04:22 PM
If you caught with thief ..you are thief...! Right...? there are many Pranabda .. wrong people in wrong party...!
For most Indians, if there is one Congress person whom they respect, it is Pranabda. We all know his limitations ( that he too has to listen to the "High Command" ) but still he has been always very decent - a wrong fit in that crowd. Any way, team Anna has been repeating and repeatedly claiming that they use only their right to express in a non-violent way and hopefully in a civilized language ( even though some try to attribute arrogance to some expressions ). But the important point is all this is about fighting corruption. So, why not focus on the issue and try to find a decent solution? When Team Anna has done half the job of legislators by preparing a draft, why Congress and govt is fighting shy to present it to parliment, corner all the parties and all the MPs to express their views / modifications, amendments etc? Give India a chance to know their legislators - that way!! Jai Hind !
