Indians must be happy to know that world muslims are lead by tableegijamat in delhi nizamuddin.No politics,no advertisement...I heard once Indira gandhi sent 3 sikhs in disguise of mulims to stay at tableeg head quarter in Delhi.Those indian govt intelllgene people gave positve report about the jamat.There is no party and no membership in tabligh jamat.Any body want to go on talblig journey have to pay his expenses.There is no help frm saudi as said by writer.Saudis follows salafi and ahle hadees jamat not tablig.Present pakistani govt is controlled by shia president and sufi prime minister and home minister.So that big mouth home minister of pakistan said true lies about jammat.
Prophet Mohammad, saying, 'The Prophet never used force. Instead he spread the word of God only by peaceful means.' I dont think it is quite right. But nice article anyway - very illuminating.
Thanks to Mr Mir for the nice article about TJ. Just goes to show how complex Islamic world is. TJ is originally a peaceful organization,but now is being termed as jihadi. Well, the gap between peace and violence is rather thin specially in Islam which definitely sanctions jihad. So even normal clerics will preach it. The last line of the article about Prophet Mohammad: 'The Prophet never used force. Instead he spread the word of God only by peaceful means.' Really? Mohammad was definitely a great thinker and revolutionary for his time but he was a warrior prophet and used violence at many points of his life.
Let us not pretend. The two most rhetorics I see over the world 1. Islam is a religion of peace 2. Hinduism is a tolerant religion. Neither is true. Islam has been very violent and expansionist throughout the 1400 years of its existence. Pretty much every people it conquered were subjugated, humiliated and converted. Even after establishing itself it is has been repressive towards most Muslims, women and all minorities. A school that preaches Muslim only and Kafir only worldview, not humanism, is fundamentally flawed. Islam inspite of being the most modern religion is finding it difficult to become modern and non-violent. At what point Hinduism was tolerant? It is a massively intolerant and divisive, with idiotic segregations. It is divisive not tolerant. Sorry guys - it is not right to offend anyone but truth needs to be told. Stop falsehood, embrace truth.
Re: Re: Good article
by French Cuisine on Aug 13, 2011 01:27 AM
Can you please then explain me the enormous number of castes, segregation and untouchability? If this is not divisive and racist - what is? There is such a thing called Hindu chauvinism as called jihad in Islam.
Re: Re: Re: Good article
by deepak on Aug 13, 2011 05:27 AM
yes we can...caste is social division present in all ancient societies..the caste problem has been overplayed by the predatory religions like Islam and Christianity. In Japan, for example the higher castes did not even let the lower ETA into the northern islands. Hindu caste according to the scriptures is not meant to be heredity. Various tribes settled in Indai and became castes. It has no 'divine' sanction like Jihad has, and hence u r wrong. Caste has at least ensured that slavery was never institutionalized in India. Within the caste the Indian had complete freedom and no one owned no one.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Good article
by French Cuisine on Aug 13, 2011 10:29 AM
Thanks Deepak for a sensible comment. I see very few from the saffron right wing. However you yourself admit the divisive nature of caste system, least there is an apology in your comment. I hope you are not a caste apologetic, castism remains the single biggest problem in this religion today. Our religion is extremely ancient, and infact I am not convinced if it is a religion at all. For the simple reason when it was born long long ago there was no concept of religion as we understand it today. You can treat it as a loose collection of various ancient scriptures, philosophy and floating beliefs. What we call Hinduism has several flaws - caste, superstitions, fake Babas etc. I hope with time these divisions will not matter and it will survive in face of the predatory religions you mention. The beauty of our religion is its openness, central tenets of karma , deep philosophy and the mingling into our unique culture and various forms of expression. The problems of Hindusim has been addressed by many great men of Hinduism at many points of time - starting from ancient ascetics to Brahmo Samaj. Example Lord Buddha tried to free Hinduism from Senseless ritualism and caste, by introducing the beauties of Buddhism while keeping the central tenets of Hinduism intact. For deprived castes the egalitarianism of Islam is more attractive, rather than the drivel of philosophy in Hindu and Buddhism. I think people should approach religion in a neutral scientific way, not blind faith.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Good article
by French Cuisine on Aug 13, 2011 10:30 AM
Thanks Deepak for a sensible comment. I see very few from the saffron right wing. However you yourself admit the divisive nature of caste system, least there is an apology in your comment. I hope you are not a caste apologetic, castism remains the single biggest problem in this religion today. Our religion is extremely ancient, and infact I am not convinced if it is a religion at all. For the simple reason when it was born long long ago there was no concept of religion as we understand it today. You can treat it as a loose collection of various ancient scriptures, philosophy and floating beliefs. What we call Hinduism has several flaws - caste, superstitions, fake Babas etc. I hope with time these divisions will not matter and it will survive in face of the predatory religions you mention. The beauty of our religion is its openness, central tenets of karma , deep philosophy and the mingling into our unique culture and various forms of expression. The problems of Hindusim has been addressed by many great men of Hinduism at many points of time - starting from ancient ascetics to Brahmo Samaj. Example Lord Buddha tried to free Hinduism from Senseless ritualism and caste, by introducing the beauties of Buddhism while keeping the central tenets of Hinduism intact. For deprived castes the egalitarianism of Islam is more attractive, rather than the drivel of philosophy in Hindu and Buddhism. I think people should approach religion in a neutral scientific way, not blind faith.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Good article
by French Cuisine on Aug 13, 2011 10:30 AM
Thanks Deepak for a sensible comment. I see very few from the saffron right wing. However you yourself admit the divisive nature of caste system, least there is an apology in your comment. I hope you are not a caste apologetic, castism remains the single biggest problem in this religion today. Our religion is extremely ancient, and infact I am not convinced if it is a religion at all. For the simple reason when it was born long long ago there was no concept of religion as we understand it today. You can treat it as a loose collection of various ancient scriptures, philosophy and floating beliefs. What we call Hinduism has several flaws - caste, superstitions, fake Babas etc. I hope with time these divisions will not matter and it will survive in face of the predatory religions you mention. The beauty of our religion is its openness, central tenets of karma , deep philosophy and the mingling into our unique culture and various forms of expression. The problems of Hindusim has been addressed by many great men of Hinduism at many points of time - starting from ancient ascetics to Brahmo Samaj. Example Lord Buddha tried to free Hinduism from Senseless ritualism and caste, by introducing the beauties of Buddhism while keeping the central tenets of Hinduism intact. For deprived castes the egalitarianism of Islam is more attractive, rather than the drivel of philosophy in Hindu and Buddhism. I think people should approach religion in a neutral scientific way, not blind faith.
Re: Good article
by BHARATIYAN on Aug 13, 2011 01:57 PM
French Cuisine first try to take part in the Apologising world tour being organised by ur masters at vatican then u can come back and sell ur wares........
The followers of this Jamat are many in Hyderabad.I have a few freinds of mine also . What i noticed in them is that they are scruplously religious but do not have extermist veiws.A lot of educated youthe in Hyderabad also are a part of this Jamat. To be honest the article is unnecessoraly triying to lionise religious and non contoversial sections.
Re: Re: Re: Scruplously religious....
by AVINASH REDDY on Aug 12, 2011 09:47 PM
U are a fool because u base ur views only based on internet. I have a practical experience about facts and i think that it is important to encourage moderate elements in which ever religion they may be ,because bigots like u cause disharmony in society.
The religion of inocents has been called evil for no valid reasons. All the bomb blasts are not by fanatics, but are by the victims themselves, because they are sorry for bringing bad name to the religion of peace. They are punishing themselves. Unneccessarily the followers of Religion of Peace are being blamed from all parts of the world. May the God forgive the world for this injustice.
Re: Religion of Inocents
by Hakuna Matata on Aug 12, 2011 08:54 PM
Wasted sarcasm my friend. Sarcasm is useless here. What they need is re-programming their brains.
Re: Religion of Inocents
by French Cuisine on Aug 13, 2011 12:41 AM
I have a theory about these fanatics. Hehe. These people actually belong to the ultra-left. They are not traditional Muslims, rather radicals. A fact about Al-qaeda - there are a lot of converted people in that organization. According to some observers this is a phenomenon of going towards the left rather than right. These fanatics are victims of radical Islam.
my experience:i have seen many of friends in muslim community discarded their bad habits of drinking alcohol,wasting time here and there, instead i found them praying their daily 5 time prayers and have become a nice persons after coming in contact with tabligee jamat
i have heard this people of tabligee jamat they advise for virtues , praying ,respect for elders, and ask to give up bad habits and vulgar culture
I advise rediffguys ,you are so believing in the words of rehan malik you also start believing what he says against our country then I also advise you to all the forum people if you want to get correct,ruthful information about this tabligee jamamt , go and have first hand information and check your self they may be near your locality of muslims
Re: socalled tabligee jamaat, i met
by soco on Aug 12, 2011 04:27 PM
also to add this tabligee jamaat never talk about politics nor about materialistic gains of the world , rather they try to develop austerity, down to earth and life of simplity rather then rage,pop and showoff
Re: Re: socalled tabligee jamaat, i met
by Muthu Karuppan on Aug 12, 2011 05:09 PM
Austerity, simplicity, namaaz and slowly into the grips of taliban...? Man... Such things can be practiced even without being religious and radicalized.
Re: Re: Re: socalled tabligee jamaat, i met
by soco on Aug 12, 2011 05:49 PM
i agree, but is dificult to change a person from bad to good and make stay like that , it even every difficult for world people like us follow all these simplicity things punctually... man that is why i'm advising all to get first hand information dont believe in favour opionion like mine or against as of rediff ... you go and determine if your heart is pure
Re: Re: socalled tabligee jamaat, i met
by Sam Nath on Aug 12, 2011 09:24 PM
Mr. Soco Khan, Mr. Lid_an Jee also had all the qualities u have mentioned here.
