..that consumed 1280 innocents (mostly minority) and formed ground for retaliatory Mumbai Blasts that killed 250 (mostly majority).
Like politicians, he showed myopic sight and focused only on corruption that allowed RDX in thru customs while fully ignored the corruption of politicians and admin that fanned R!ots.
Re: WHY ANNA Did Nothing against Shiv Sena Led Bloodshed of 1992
by Argumentative Indian on Apr 15, 2011 03:20 PM
Wah, what a philosophical question?
I have few questions of my own here:
1) Why Anna did nothing about Jalianwala Baug Massacare? 2) Why Anna did nothing about 1947 riots? 3) Why Anna did nothing about 1985?
Why Anna has not stopped Global Warming till now?
Why Anna has not rectified nuclear reactors in Japan by now?
See, such great philosophy.
Unfortunately, I don't give a rat's posterior for any of the above answers, including the answer to your question.
All I know is that Anna is fighting against corruption.
If corruption can be just reduced, not eliminated, then the municipal hospital, which caters to poor of all communities, Hindus & Muslims and atheists alike, will provide better, life preserving services. Today's youth may find this hard to believe, but my father talks of a time in the distant past, when municipal hospitals were so good, that they were benchmarks for the private hospitals to aspire to!
Down with corruption, in both public i.e. Govt. & private enterprise.
Re: Re: WHY ANNA Did Nothing against Shiv Sena Led Bloodshed of 1
by Wahaj Faridy on Apr 15, 2011 03:25 PM
Look, Mumbai Blasts and Mumbai R!0ts were directly linked... we can call them chapter 1 and chapter 2 of that Bloody Story of 1992-93
My problem is that anna stood up on seeing how corruption enabled RDX entry for blasts thru bribing of customs... but he did not stand up when he had seen how 1280 innocents were being killed by agents who subverted law and constitution
If this is not myopic vision of corruption than what it is ??
Re: Re: Re: WHY ANNA Did Nothing against Shiv Sena Led Bloodshed
by Argumentative Indian on Apr 15, 2011 03:39 PM
I am personally ashamed and still very disturbed about the 1992 - 93 riots. I actually grew up in Bombay (right, NOT Mumbai), in Bandra (W) and I know what that life was. There was only one religion in Mumbai, and it was being COOL. Then 1992 - 93 happened, suddenly two legged animals, were killing people of a particular community. Thousands of innocent people were killed in cold blood. We need to get justice for that, there cannot be a second opinion on that. The perpetrators must face the tough end of the law. Mumbai never recovered from those riots and then the blats, the fabric of the city was broken for ever, today its just another third world township.
HOwever, for now, can we focus on fighting corruption. The same corruption, that allows criminals under the garb of political parties to get away with communal riots?
Re: Re: Re: WHY ANNA Did Nothing against Shiv Sena Led Bloodshed
by Indian Rishi on Apr 15, 2011 03:30 PM
We surely show our sympathies to you. The desease is so old that you can not come out of it. This desease is creating problem across the world.
Re: Re: WHY ANNA Did Nothing against Shiv Sena Led Bloodshed of 1
by Sathish N on Apr 15, 2011 03:26 PM
Wow, you seem to understand that philosophical question now! But, it is OK for you to ask such questions about Modiji!
Re: WHY ANNA Did Nothing against Shiv Sena Led Bloodshed of 1992
by Indian Rishi on Apr 15, 2011 03:15 PM
Why ANNA did not do any thing when Kasmir terrorists driven the Pandits away from valley?
Why ANNA did not do any thing when Invaders came to INDIA 1000 years before?
Go to School and read your own history. Today, you have this name because Invaders.
Let us talk about corruption. How do you know that ANNA didn't condemn riotes?
Re: Re: WHY ANNA Did Nothing against Shiv Sena Led Bloodshed of 1
by Wahaj Faridy on Apr 15, 2011 03:20 PM
My problem is that anna stood up on seeing how corruption enabled RDX entry thru bribing customs... but he did not stand up when he saw how 1280 innocents were being killed by agents who subverted law and constitution
Re: Re: Re: WHY ANNA Did Nothing against Shiv Sena Led Bloodshed
by Sathish N on Apr 15, 2011 03:49 PM
1. Corruption has been on for long and a much bigger problem. 2. Even if he spoke against RDX smuggled, what aam admi hears and how much it should be hyped is decided by congi media. 3. If you think there is an issue, you should stand up and not expect someone else to. Standing up for all issues cannot be a requirement to stand for an issue.
Key matter to understand here is that Anna is not the issue here, but congis hijacking the agenda is!
Anna and aam admi's foolishness to let congis hijack the agenda is too costly for India!
Re: Re: Re: WHY ANNA Did Nothing against Shiv Sena Led Bloodshed
by Indian Rishi on Apr 15, 2011 03:28 PM
What is the basis for your comments? How do you know that he didn't comdemn?
Don't see riotes in your perspective. Why PAKIS have riots? 1. They killed Ahmadis 2. Then they declared it islm country. 3. Now they are killing shias.
It is the desease which is more than 1000 years old. There is no cure. Be greatful to INDIA which allowed every rlgn. FARIS came to INDIA because of islm invasion. JEWS came to INDIA under difficult situation. We treated them as guests.
Re: Re: VANDEMATARAM also communal
by Sathish N on Apr 15, 2011 03:20 PM
I find it amusing that someone has a problem with singling a song praising the country. At the same time, every person have god given right to decide if he wants to sing something or not. However, I have the right to be amused too!
We all have this false sense of patriotism to sing Vande Mataram and salute the National flag, but care a damn about congis messing up the country.
Re: Re: Re: VANDEMATARAM also communal
by Argumentative Indian on Apr 15, 2011 03:27 PM
I agree. We do put more emphasis on singing songs, than on eradicating corruption, whether by COngress or its B - Team, aptly called BJP.
Re: Re: Re: VANDEMATARAM also communal
by Sathish N on Apr 15, 2011 03:28 PM
That... is very true. Mullahs created religion to divide and rule... papals perfected the art.
Re: Re: VANDEMATARAM also communal
by Colonal Gaddafee on Apr 15, 2011 03:50 PM
Wahid, have you ever seen Allah? I have not seen Shiva or Vishnu for that matter. We all have some faith on some god and keep going to that for comfort. Let us not say your faith our faith and so on. If you pray to Allah you are welcome and we pray to Shiva. But if you are in India and say i cannot sign national anthem as it was written by a Hindu and cannot sing vandematharam it is absurd. By singing vandematharam are you going to become Hindu and start praying Shiva? No. Same applies to us. we every day hear loud prayers from mosques near our homes. So does it mean we will become Muslims? NO. Let us respect each other and the country first. Religion and faith comes later. If you differ you are welcome to go elsewhere.
1) I firmly believe most politicians are corrupt, the difference is in degree or absolute value of corruption. The non corrupt politicians are impotent in stopping their corrupt colleagues, so immaterial in this context. BJP - sat on BOfors for 6 years. Congress - the list is too long, 2G Scam is representative enough.
2) The pathetic lack of response to a great article / write up shows the state of our body politic.
How can we successfully and smoothly enlighten voters?
a) The SMS idea in vernacular is great. We need to ensure that this is getting pushed to the actual voter, very near to the voting date.
b) What about vernacular newspapers? We'll leave out Sakal, but how are the others, are they as biased and shameless as TOI or is there any hope?
Re: Re: Hazare committing a blunder
by Sathish N on Apr 15, 2011 03:07 PM
Allowing congis to hijack anti-corruption movement. Lokpal bill which will be written by congis and headed by congis will bring no good for aam admi.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Hazare committing a blunder
by Sathish N on Apr 15, 2011 03:29 PM
Wishful thinking. By the same logic educated youth should have not allowed corrupt congis.
Re: Hazare committing a blunder
by suppandi on Apr 15, 2011 02:50 PM
Let him continue, it creates awareness among aam aadi who are covered up by a blanket of paid secular media
Re: Re: Hazare committing a blunder
by Sathish N on Apr 15, 2011 02:58 PM
Yes, the protest he is doing is good. But, congis will use him to hijack the-non-existent-democracy again! Lokpal bill will only make the corrupt congis more powerful and tyranical. First step to real democracy is to throw out all congis and all current politicians. Aam admi should take the task on themselves. It may sound untenable and time-consuming, but is worth it!
Re: Re: Re: Hazare committing a blunder
by Argumentative Indian on Apr 15, 2011 03:14 PM
I disagree with you completely.
Anna is absolutely correct and doing the right thing.
India, with great suffering, DESPITE our politicians has become a less poor country today. 15 years ago, people like me found it difficult to spend Rs. 10 on a 2 min. phone call home on STD from the hostel. Today, the value of Rs. 100 is the same for me as the value of Rs. 10 at the time, but the same phone call now costs Rs. 2/-. We have given our lives to enjoy this pathetic, less poverty.
One hot headed revolution, will drive us back economically by 30 years. Our parents who have never had anything in their youth and are today, just OK in their old age will be pushed back to poverty, to satisfy an anarchist like Sathish.
I really think you should get a job and a real life, instead of a virtual - revolutionary one.
Anna Hazare, has shown us, how we can continue with our lives, protest against corruption and force the government to act correctly. We must NOT ALLOW the COngress or BJP or CPIM or BSP Or Blah Blah Blah to hijack the great movement.
Further, as one issue is resolved, before politicians and chors are able to breathe, we must tackle the next issue, say election reforms, then next issue, say corruption in private sector, the next issue say education etc. etc. We must keep our politicians on their toes and keep improving India through our hard work AND BALANCED INTELLIGENCE.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Hazare committing a blunder
by Sathish N on Apr 15, 2011 03:23 PM
This lokpal bill will only put more power in the hands of corrupt congis. All anna hazare did was protest, like so many more people. Congis are using him to hijack the agenda.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Hazare committing a blunder
by Sathish N on Apr 15, 2011 03:42 PM
A non-corrupt person doing something is all deception. It seems that they have done good, but the hidden agenda by congis will be carried on! A non-corrupt person can never even get to the top in the nepotistic system that congis have put in place. The hidden agenda in this Lokpal bill is - congi will have appointed authority as lobpal agent to go after their opponents, much like how CBI, CEC function.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Hazare committing a blunder
by Argumentative Indian on Apr 15, 2011 03:46 PM
I understand your point of view, there is definitely a risk. We are seeing high authority in this country, similarly from attempts at the CVC to the First Citizen.
So what do you propose, except for a revolution, please spare me, I'm not the revolutionary type and I also suffer from hypertension, so won't be able to physically suppport it. Apart from that what, practical, concrete alternative do you have to propose?
Drossing the road is also a risk, one hears of traffic deaths everyday. Still, we do cross roads, don't we?
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Hazare committing a blunder
by Sathish N on Apr 15, 2011 03:56 PM
I don't know what you mean by revolutionary type. All that matters is if you care for humanity. Keep educating people about the reality and the solution will come from aam admi. The solution is simple - realised aam amdis will not allow the corrupt congis to function.
Yes, you are right. We still have to cross the road, we have to live in the society.. but, we can always try to make it better.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Hazare committing a blunder
by Argumentative Indian on Apr 15, 2011 04:08 PM
OK. I also believe in educating, people across all sections, especially Aam Aadmi about how the politicians cutting across party lines, whether Congress or BJP or A, B, .. Z are corrupt and we need to improve ourselves and push our politicians / leaders for better solutions.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Hazare committing a blunder
by Sathish N on Apr 15, 2011 04:37 PM
You this beleif and previous disagreements are poles apart.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Hazare committing a blunder
by Argumentative Indian on Apr 15, 2011 04:59 PM
Could you please explain how is "believing in educating people, across all sections, especially Aam Aadmi about how politicians cutting across party lines, whether Congress or BJP or ... "poles apart from
my support for a movement led by a Non Politician (incidentally called Anna Hazare), that has spread awareness to large sections of Indian society about Lokpal, got Aam Admi's participation & forced politicians to accept Aam Admi's participation in drafting the Bill to appoint Non Politician Lokpals to keep a tab on the elected politicians, from BJP, Congress & others and prevent corruption?
Could you also explain, how your own serious differences with Anna Hazare, your implying him a fool, etc. is in keeping with your avowed belief of spreading awareness against corruption in Aam Aadmi?
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Hazare committing a blunder
by Argumentative Indian on Apr 15, 2011 03:33 PM
NO. I disagree. All it takes is one non corrupt person in a constitutional position to take the pants right off a corrupt body politic. Here are some examples:
1) Chief Eelction Commissioner - After Mr. T. N. Seshan, the whole concept of Booth Capturing vanished in India. Till then, Bihar elections were for example, long TV stories of booth capturing. Infact, this inspired some hindi films, also, including Khalnayak!! Do you even remember what is Booth Capturing?
2) The Chief Justice of India - for 2 years the 2G Scam was festering and festering, well hidden by media and no comments / action by any govt. agency. Suddenly insteps a new CJI and the scam is blown right out of the water, and culprits are rotting in jail, small timers committing suicide, this is improvement, significant improvement.
3) Comptroller & Auditor General - One good CAG and the 2G scam was out in the open for all to admire its many hues.
Similarly, if there is a powerful lokpal, in the accident, that just one non corrupt person occupies the chair for a bit, the body politic will be straightened out for many many years.
Re: Anti-democratic & fascist
by Sathish N on Apr 15, 2011 02:35 PM
Hazare is at best a fool. He doesn't understand that he is being used by the corrupt congis. Nehru misused M.K.Gandhi's credibility. Now same is being done to Hazare.
Re: Re: Anti-democratic & fascist
by Colonal Gaddafee on Apr 15, 2011 03:56 PM
Hazare has other people to warn him and now the movement gathered is not going to stop, it is coming like a rolling snow ball, gathering momentum and more snow on the way. it will smash and crush corruption. i have faith. Libya long live.
Re: Re: Re: Anti-democratic & fascist
by Sathish N on Apr 15, 2011 03:59 PM
Let us hope this movement bring real results, without allowing the congis to hijack the agenda! The first step towards cleaning the system should really be removing congis.
