If you look at congress and it's spokespersons attitude , you can easily figure out that these ppl are more interested in trying to convince the nation how problems cannot be solved instead of telling how they can be solved!!!
This is really funny and disgusting at the same time. Congress is under the impression that they can take the whole country for a ride all the time and that a so called "democracy" doesn't see a revolution.. How immature!! They are not able to fathom that, the present mess will lead to revolution much bigger than what happened recently in mid east.
A beautiful quote by Lincoln that perfectly describes Congress is
"You may fool all the people some of the time; you can even fool some of the people all the time; but you cant fool all of the people all the time"
if Sonia Gandhi truly believes in Democrcay , then she should immediately sever her and her coming generations ties from politics. She should openly declare that she quits politics and none of her progeny henceforth will join politics. This is the first step towards DEMOCRATIZATION .
Secondly, we need Presidential Democracy where a person can hold office for at most 2 terms . This is a must and this will prevent the institutionalization if corruption.
To bring about this change , Constitution must be re-written and it's very possible, because constitution reflects the society and it has to change with times. It's not set in stone , nor is it the final word. It needs to incorporate the views of the masses.
compulsory voting, otherwise fines education is must for votings govt funding, with proper party constitution election, proper bank , finanacial accounting fix term for pm president mla, mp,, above 60 no one be allow in power, big character,,no tax chor, raper,criminal be allowed to contest,,on line informationfor whole politician be made, internet voting,information be given to voter, strong law , ethics for politicians
Kanika Dutta has written an article in Business Standard basically saying that emulating Anna Hazare is "naively utopian" and that "Civil society may be better off lobbying for faster liberalisation than another cumbersome institution".
What is liberalisation? Isn't institutionalisation of Lok Pal to check uncontrolled corruption of the politicians, buraeucracy and judiciary liberalisation? What does she want to liberalise? Does she want to liberate the corrupt from the "wishes of the aam aadmi"? Does she want that the Parliament be liberated from the public opinion?
Few days back the editor of Business Standard, Sanjay Baru, had written that the method adopted by Anna Hazare was undemocratic! Is agitating in a peaceful manner undemocratic? When Parliament fails to do the job given to it by the constitution (namely to govern in a clean manner which is in public interest), is it undemocratic to "force" the Parliament to do something which it should have done on it's own in the first place?
I used to think that Business Standard is one of the better Business newspaper in india. Now i have changed my mind.
Re: Business Standard - A mouthpiece for Con-gress?
by Vaishali Taday on Apr 14, 2011 04:02 PM
I agree with you. I heard views of Sanjay Baru and Kumar Ketkar (Maharahtra Times) on CNN IBN debate.These intellectuals seem to be in a diffrent world altogether. Rather than applauding Anna Hazare's initiative, they were talking about undemocratic method, journalistic framework and went to the extent of saying that the Anna Hazare movement was orchestrated! This is the problem of the intellectuals, they are far away from the common man & the real world. A few questions came to my mind after hearing the debate, "what difference these gentlemen have made to make India corruption free inspite of their long stint with powerful media houses at such powerful positions"? Since they have been ineffective and could not make any difference, why do they oppose alternative methods which are highly effective? Are they not interested in solving the problem? What good are the frameworks if they dont solve a problem? This is where the mind becomes suspicious about their true intentions!
Re: Re: Business Standard - A mouthpiece for Con-gress?
by vipin mehrotra on Apr 30, 2011 11:35 AM
If he is undemocratic and coeracive so was Gandhi.So Congress should Dump Gandhi for his illegal activities and call brand him Traitor
Re: Business Standard - A mouthpiece for Con-gress?
by mahesh aneja on Apr 16, 2011 05:21 AM
It was a truelly democratic method and people of country fed up with highvalue frauds/scams wholeheartedly supported it.
Re: Business Standard - A mouthpiece for Con-gress?
by Vaishali Taday on Apr 14, 2011 04:02 PM
I agree with you. I heard views of Sanjay Baru and Kumar Ketkar (Maharahtra Times) on CNN IBN debate.These intellectuals seem to be in a diffrent world altogether. Rather than applauding Anna Hazare's initiative, they were talking about undemocratic method, journalistic framework and went to the extent of saying that the Anna Hazare movement was orchestrated! This is the problem of the intellectuals, they are far away from the common man & the real world. A few questions came to my mind after hearing the debate, "what difference these gentlemen have made to make India corruption free inspite of their long stint with powerful media houses at such powerful positions"? Since they have been ineffective and could not make any difference, why do they oppose alternative methods which are highly effective? Are they not interested in solving the problem? What good are the frameworks if they dont solve a problem? This is where the mind becomes suspicious about their true intentions!
Re: Re: Business Standard - A mouthpiece for Con-gress?
by GRINDIAN on Apr 14, 2011 04:32 PM
Mr dear friend , Sanjay Baru and Kumar Ketkar are Congree loyals. These intellectuals are very high EGO and eamn people. When they saw ennormous respect and accolades for Anna , a very common , ordinary looking amn , they all had stomoch ache . Thye started fining falut on technicla grounds. They do not have courage to speak aginst govt as thay feel thay would not next foreign trip or next plmpy advertisemnt . These guys are drive nby persoanl eGOS and interests . They have only ability tp write in English and they famous thatsit . These are mean poeple Pigmies actually
Re: Business Standard - A mouthpiece for Con-gress?
by GRINDIAN on Apr 14, 2011 04:20 PM
We are very naive people. We do not understand that these News papers are bought by few advertiesemnts and few foreign trips to their editors. Our country's so called inteleectulas are sa;able commodities. Only when their personal interests rae not taken care they write aginst govt else they srve them mostly . Sanjay Barua of Business tandrds goes to all foreign trip with PM , why would he support Anna HAzare !!!
Re: Re: Business Standard - A mouthpiece for Con-gress?
by Vijay Sahani on Apr 14, 2011 04:33 PM
Well, at least we know now who stands for what. For example, Hindustan Times has completely censored the news, from it's print edition, about Radia naming Sharad Pawar as the man behind DB realty. Every newspaper is sleeping with the government.
Re: Re: Re: Business Standard - A mouthpiece for Con-gress?
by Bhupinder Singh on Apr 14, 2011 08:18 PM
whole this m-fker intellectual are money minting machine for big corporate business houses who appoint them,can thy gut to sit on fast for 24 hours in hot day,,common people support ana we are ready to secrifice our life for him,,these middleman, mouthpiece of capitalist brainwashing machine have not guts to stop revolutions,india consitition is tati khnnnnna,only corruptionstition
Even if lokpal bill is passed dynesties at center and states will find a way out to carry on loot.It is they who have to overcome their greed for power and money . They only create chain of corruption by placing their agents in all the departments of the institutions.How the civil society can explain the continued silence of centeral and state dynesty while 2G and CWG SCAMS WERE taking place.Please target spesifics rather than generalise the corruption as a subject of unnecessary discussin.
Re: corruption
by GRINDIAN on Apr 14, 2011 04:16 PM
when these dynesties themselves are the originatos of the Evil curruption , how come they would oppse or try to eliminate it ?? On the contarry they would widen the net so that no who mattres can complain .Se our so called honest MMS ,once became PM, fell in line with dynesties reuirements and defend them in every currupt practices.
Robert Vadra is an Indian businessman notable as the husband of Priyanka Gandhi and a member of the Nehru-Gandhi family by marriage. He was born to Rajinder and Maureen Wadhera on 18 April 1969. Rajinder Vadra hails from Moradabad, Uttar Pradesh and Maureen was of Scottish origin (maiden name: McDonagh).[1]
Robert may have met Priyanka Gandhi, the daughter of Rajiv and Sonia Gandhi at the house of common expatriate friend Ottavio Quattrocchi.[2] Subsequently he married Priyanka Gandhi on 18 February 1997. They have two children.
He had one brother Richard Vadra who was found dead in September 2003 at his Vasant Vihar residence, and his sister Michelle died in a car accident in 2001. His father Rajinder Vadra committed suicide on 2 April 2009 under suspicious circumstances, but the story was not published widely by the Indian media. Rajinder Vadra in an interview was highly critical of his son Robert and said that after the wedding with Priyanka Gandhi, he disowned his son.
Re: History of Robert Vadra - Priyanka's hubby
by srinivasa rao on Apr 14, 2011 12:24 PM
MISUSE OF 10 JANPATH RECENTLY, A TELUGU NEWS CHANNEL HAS TELECAST A FULL STORY OF ROBERT VADRA AS TO HOW HE HAS BECOME FROM RAGS TO RICHES. THE VIEWERS WERE ASTONISHED/AMAZED TO KNOW THAT HE HAD FLOATED MULTITUDE OF COMPANIES AND EVEN BECOME A SHARE HOLDER IN DELHI LAND FINANCING CO. (D.L.F.). BEFORE HE WAS MARRIED TO PRIYANKA GANDHI, HE WAS HAVING A SMALL SHOP IN MORADABAD IN UTTAR PRADESH SELLING NOVELTIES OF BRASSWARE FOR WHICH MORADABAD IS RENOWNED FOR. IN HIMACHAL PRADESH, OTHER THAN THE NATIVES CAN POSSESS/ACQUIRE LAND OR HOUSE PROPERTIES. HOWEVER, PRATIBHA PATIL, PRESIDENT HAS GIVEN SPECIAL SANCTION FOR PRIYANKA TO ACQUIRE A PALATIAL MANSION ON THE RIVER BED IN HIMACHAL WHICH NO INDIVIDUAL FROM THE OTHER PARTS OF INDIA CAN DREAM OF.
Re: Re: History of Robert Vadra - Priyanka's hubby
by Vijay Sahani on Apr 14, 2011 12:32 PM
Well, I know from reliable source (practically the horse's mouth) that Robert Vadera was in Dubai about a year back looking for investing appr. Rs. 300 crores in land to construct a Hotel.
This is NOT a rumour. As i said it is practically from Horse's mouth.
How did he amass so much wealth? Also, we all know the credibility of real estate giants such as DLF group and how honestly they do business.
No doubt, why Lok pal bill is required, as present system/judiciary could not control the indiscipline/corruption, Nothig to match if EC or Govt. itself takes initiative to bring drastic reforms to suit todays requirement.
We are still living in 1890 wherein we are following laws copied from Britishers. This law was made by them to rule and loot Indians by Britishers and still we are following this as politicians take advantage of it to loot the country. This needs to update. We must abolish multi party system to remove corruption. We must have only 2 or 3 party system so that horse trading and balck mailing by small parties are removed. We must learn from Amaerican decomcracy. After all all these small parties fight elections separately but they form govt. together so why do we need these small parties. Or only major winning party should form the govt. irrespective of minimum seats. Anyway non of the candidates represent even 12 % of population. so where do the majority they get. There should not be any election manifest which would disallow parties to lure the population by providing tv, cycles etc. This should be banned. No one should be allowed to dislay flags, banners, stickers on public places.
Re: system and all laws needs to updated with time and requiremen
by Vijay Sahani on Apr 14, 2011 12:08 PM
We should have a Presidential form of government or as a compromomise a hybrid of Presidential and Westminister model. Both have their plus and minus. A hybrid model (as is there in some countries) should be tried out.
i feel corruption should be attacked from both ends. On the one side we should punish the corrupt and Jan Lok Pal Bill is a step in that direction.
On the other hand, we must reward whistleblowers. Whistleblowers who go to Lok pal with substantial evidence of corruption (whether by a politician or a bureaucrat or a judge) should be enetitled to claim a percentage of the penalty levied on the corrupt person by the Lok Pal alongwith a reward of 10% of the money / property confiscated. Alternately, the whistleblower can ask that the money be donated to his desginated charity. That will act as an incentive for people to take advantage of the institution of Lok Pal to the fullest.
The approach should be of carrot and stick rather than just the threat of punishment. Somehow, unscrupulous people have a habit of bypassing the law (either by subverting it or by outsourcing the dirty work) because punishment depends on evidence. Unless you give incentive to people to collect evidence (other than just public service) Lok Pal Bill may yet prove to be a case of "good law, bad implementation".
Re: Attack corruption from both ends.
by Argumentative Indian on Apr 14, 2011 01:09 PM
Well Said. Also a whistle blower's protection act is badly required.
Re: Re: Attack corruption from both ends.
by Vijay Sahani on Apr 14, 2011 02:38 PM
I agree. The Whistleblower Protection Bill under consideration by the government is fraught with lot of loopholes. It's more for protecting the corrupt from the whistleblower than the other way round. How many agitations this country needs to force the government to govern?
