Barack Obama tells us to speak up for democracy in Burma. Fine. What is he doing about democracy in China ? Obviously we are too small a fry to bother China. But the USA can. China is the mother of all the authoritarian regimes worldwide. A fourth of the world population does not know what democracy is. It has been crushing Tibet for the past half century but no one makes a noise. Only some pointless gestures like granting a Nobel Prizw to the Dalai Lama. Yet China is the biggest trading partner of the USA. It uses slave labour in its manufacturing industries, using capital from US based business, and its biggest market is the USA. Rather than Indian IT professionals, it is Chinese industry, using all the tricks, mostly unfair, of geopolitical economics which has ruined industry in the USA and caused such massive unemployment there. Does Mr Obama or any other politician in thheir country want to do anything about it ?
If today USA were to ban all trade with China, the entire Chinese economy would collapse. Maybe it would hurt the USA too, but it could shift those manufacturing hubs now in China to its own country and generate employment for its own people. USA needed to engage China during the cold war. Why does it need China now ?
We were so taken up with what Mr Obama would say in regard to Pakistan, we forgot to ascertain his views on China. Or maybe it was all carefully orchestrated to ensure such questions were not asked.
Re: DOUBLE STANDARDS ???
by Manoj Padikkel on Nov 09, 2010 05:36 AM
I totally support your opinion. It's true that china has ruined US! But these guys doesn't realize that.
Barack Obama tells us to speak up for democracy in Burma. Fine. What is he doing about democracy in China ? Obviously we are too small a fry to bother China. But the USA can. China is the mother of all the authoritarian regimes worldwide. A fourth of the world population does not know what democracy is. It has been crushing Tibet for the past half century but no one makes a noise. Only some pointless gestures like granting a Nobel Prizw to the Dalai Lama. Yet China is the biggest trading partner of the USA. It uses slave labour in its manufacturing industries, using capital from US based business, and its biggest market is the USA. Rather than Indian IT professionals, it is Chinese industry, using all the tricks, mostly unfair, of geopolitical economics which has ruined industry in the USA and caused such massive unemployment there. Does Mr Obama or any other politician in thheir country want to do anything about it ?
If today USA were to ban all trade with China, the entire Chinese economy would collapse. Maybe it would hurt the USA too, but it could shift those manufacturing hubs now in China to its own country and generate employment for its own people. USA needed to engage China during the cold war. Why does it need China now ?
We were so taken up with what Mr Obama would say in regard to Pakistan, we forgot to ascertain his views on China. Or maybe it was all carefully orchestrated to ensure such questions were not asked.
Re: @Wahij Faridy
by Wahaj Faridy on Nov 08, 2010 10:17 AM
I love India as I am born Here.
But I can not be proud of it because of its social history casteism extending to limits of of Untouchabiity... because of its masses associating with Gandhi Killers and Buddha Exterminators... bcause of superstitious nature of people
Re: Re: Re: Re: @Wahij Faridy
by PRK Reddy on Nov 08, 2010 02:50 PM
Shabari in Ramayana : what is wrong. Rama ate the fruits bitten by Shabari. That is great. Isn't it?
Ekalavya in Mahabharat : Today many countries are denied nuclear and missile technologies. Those that developed on their own are harassed. Smilarly, Ekalavya was not allowed to grow into a potential threat to the princes.
Today, do we allow our common people to develop arms and ammunition? Any Indian can develop arms and ammunition as part of the government military, not on his own.
Ultimately, the fight is between individual aspirations, whims and fancies and the nation's good.
I hate Gandhi, but he said an individual must sacrifice for his village, and the village must sacrifice for the country. The nation's good is more important than an individual's good.
About casteism, I posted several messages. Please click on View My Page.
You are so critical about Hinduism. I hope you are equally critical about your religion. Please tell us about your religion.
Re: Re: Re: Re: @Wahij Faridy
by Bhupinder Singh on Nov 08, 2010 10:44 AM
whole world is run by the same principal the greed , blame game and mental slavery,,,it is better get off soon, it better for health, debate never ends, life ends, it is internal exploration which teach best,,dnot find in book, and other mind, seekinside,,who created labourer,middle,rich, farmers,,,,think and act
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: @Wahij Faridy
by Bhupinder Singh on Nov 08, 2010 10:45 AM
why follow rama,why not kabir, at least themselves,,, start your own religion everyone is free,,some one leaves on street , he change whole identy,,why to embrace old identity
Only a person of unstable mind can talk of stable Pakistan :) No, seriously, it is high time the Indian politicians evolve and develop some spine to not just voice their own opinions, but actually enforce their views onto others. With Sonia Biwi calling shots, and Man Mon Singh as her honcho, this is not going to happen very soon - specially because this was all started by Nehru. There is only one solution to Kashmir - just in old days there used to be a call to "Chalo Delhi" - it is not high time to give a similar call to "Chalo Kashmir". People from everywhere in India should reach Kashmir by any means - train, plain, bus - and just pile on there for months. Those stone pelting peace loving misguided Kashmiris will then realize that they are part of India.
No civilized nation goes to war with other small nations, but USA has hit Iraq, Afghanistan and many other nations with out any good reasons... Iraq never posed any great threat to USA or its existence in any ways nor did they attack USA.
Look at Indian history, we never went to war unless it was thrust upon us by the invaders... Gandhiji won us freedom using non violence as a tool...
I am wondering how will the relationship is going to turn around between the most civilized world(India) and the most uncivilized nation (USA).
Re: USA is the worlds most uncivilized nation....
by sam on Nov 08, 2010 09:42 AM
we never went to war, that is why we, who had the power and potential to expand beyond Kandhar in the West and Tibet in the North, just kept embroiled in pettyCasteism, Prayers, Chantings etc.. India, before the advent of IslamHad all the power, population, military and civilisation to knock the Middle East and Europe out of their feudal and Barbaric-Nomadic cultural morass
Re: Re: USA is the worlds most uncivilized nation....
by Renuk on Nov 08, 2010 09:50 AM
What's wrong with casteism?
Various classes in any civilizations is very common... Example casteism as it existed earlier is taking a different form now.. Don't you see that SAM? What I see now is that there are different sections of society like, NRI's, PIO's, Rich people, People belonging to BPL category, business class people, foreign expats etc...? Earlier these classes were based on their work or caste...
You can never eliminate such classes any time anywhere in the world... It only can take different forms... Its only an identity of the person.
Re: Re: Re: USA is the worlds most uncivilized nation....
by Renuk on Nov 08, 2010 10:05 AM
This type of categorization exists even in the USA... You can see people who are of caucatian, blacks, Hispanics, Arab Americans, Asian Americans, Indians, Asian Indians, Chinese Americans etc.... You just can't avoid or STOP having such categorizations.... It will exist in one or the other form everywhere where the civilizations exists or not... Its your identity... Why are you afraid of that?
Re: USA is the worlds most uncivilized nation....
by Wahaj Faridy on Nov 08, 2010 10:08 AM
Most Civilized Country (India) gave to world the concept of UNTOUCHABILITY against fellow countrymen.
Your ignorance makes me sic.
I am not an India basher. I love India... but not proud of it. I can a spade when I see one.
Re: Re: USA is the worlds most uncivilized nation....
by Renuk on Nov 08, 2010 10:35 AM
Untouchability has scientific reasons behind it... Hint: Containing diseases...
You are not proud of India, because you have never understood India in its truest sense. So please migrate to other nations...
Re: Re: USA is the worlds most uncivilized nation....
by Renuk on Nov 08, 2010 10:19 AM
You are not proud of India, because you have never understood India in its truest sense. So please migrate to other nations...
Re: Re: Re: Re: USA is the worlds most uncivilized nation....
by Renuk on Nov 08, 2010 10:36 AM
If you are not proud of what you are, it means you don't know yourself well... With that background, you can not fix/change anything.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: USA is the worlds most uncivilized nation....
by utpal bhuyan on Nov 08, 2010 10:52 AM
Problems can be solved by those who see it. Raja Ram Mohan Roy saw widows' plight as a problem and abolished Sati and legalised widow remarriage. If none would have seen it,it would hav continued till date. Stop thinking everything is rosy. Find problems n solve it, That's the way to improve our nation
Re: Re: USA is the worlds most uncivilized nation....
by Bhupinder Singh on Nov 08, 2010 10:51 AM
whole world past is full of venomous, dnot harp on past, even west past is full of blood, extermination of whole race,,,,that is better than caste ism,, it has some benefits and some evils,,, if we think holistically
Ignore Obama. He is no use for India. He is a paki supporter and come here for a vacation and picnic trip and want India as a market to sell their old and redudent machineries and equipments. He will go after enjoying with our poor Indians and taxpayers money and praising sonia, raul, mms and continue to give millions of financial aid to Pakistan to buy arms and ammunications to kill Indians.
it is the govt which make any nation rich ,poor and choatic, indian present system is stupid, corrupt and not accountable, we need to change the system, !, ban whole cash transaction,impose 25% taxes to whole working people,make everything at par with market rate and give tax back to needy and poor people in their account directing without any middlemen bureacrates, 2. corruption start with voting,make compulsory voting,make whole people literate with computer programes and email, give people incentive to get email and basic knowledge in computer,make election law strongest,videorecording and direct punishment to whole illdoers, 3.make whole pm, minister ,mla fix term like 2 term for pm and 3 term for mla,pradhan,winner should get 50% of total polled votes,make preference votes, 4.spend huge on basic education, charge money from whole doctor,profession and make them part of college,compus and get their help in advice and donations, 4.everyone should be associated with communities services ,by internetvotes , people should have right to cancel any m la , mp membership ,if they lost confidence by 50%, there should be direct telecaste of pm debate with opposition leader on tv, 5.every people should be given dvd,cd of marriage,rights,responsiblity ,culture, science,all sorts of knowledge to them, india is presently like tatikhana, make people life respected , but guilty should be punished with hefty fine, there should be 24 hours help lines for different counselling
Re: i request to whole wise indian
by Sathish N on Nov 08, 2010 09:07 AM
You solutions seems to be more restriction on the already bogged down aam admi, where are the bigger problem is glossed over.
Re: Re: i request to whole wise indian
by Bhupinder Singh on Nov 08, 2010 11:01 AM
where is solution ,,,,,discipline needs system, cancer need amputation of limb,otherwise whole system collaspe like russian,,yogoslavia now usa,,,
Re: i request to whole wise indian
by Bhupinder Singh on Nov 08, 2010 10:59 AM
i am living in australia , i always watch how strong is their tax system,whole people has to pay taxes ,g s t on every purchases ,but those people who get less income are welcome to get back,indiasell cheap fuel, gas, score of other cheap health,govt services to whole people irrespective of their economic standards, is regrettable,only poor need help to walk and race, not rich,,,
Re: i request to whole wise indian
by Bhupinder Singh on Nov 08, 2010 09:02 AM
and information for people to report any corruption,accidents and any sorts of activities,ban whole cash transaction, allow to transfer money on cell phones,atm card,tax who withdraw more than10%cash of their salary, india is put on path on social justice, i fear, bloodshed is awaiting, chines is becoming superpowerand india is beging for pittence from world, how digusting and disappointing,majority of india havenot basic mind to look for future bahamanism, superstitous drug still propogated by socalled elite class,60%people still lives in village without any survival help from govt,, it is very disappointing,,, a great admirer of india land from sydney australia
Re: Re: i request to whole wise indian
by Tom Dick on Nov 08, 2010 09:21 AM
I can understand the feelings and frustration of Bupinder Singh but unfortunately we are governed by a government chosen by us! and that is democracy. Democracy will work only when every one is educated and capable of questioning their elected leaders.By asking questions relentlessly, we can make them accountable. To make them accountable means we need fast moving judiciary. We need to instil a fear in the mind of bureaucrats that they are accountable to the tax payer who pays their wages.Unfortunately they behave like lords to those who pay their wages. I like most of your ideas as I too have written in the same line earlier. I might add that all big notes like 100/500 & 1000 be withdrawn by RBI so that fake currency and black money can be controlled.How can 'netas' agree to that..afterall black money is their life blood!
Re: Re: i request to whole wise indian
by gunasekaran raju on Nov 08, 2010 10:06 AM
I agree with Mr.Bhupinder Singh as regard to the measures to be taken to curb BLACK MONEY.But how to do it when we have a population of 33% illiterates and 60% living in villages without any exposure to the technological advancement?I feel ADHAR is the solution to take care of the BPL people as well to curb the BLACK MONEY if the GOVT is serious.First of all the top politicians should set themselves as standard and follow the path of ABSOLUTE INTEGRITY.Will they follow it?
Re: i request to whole wise indian
by Sathish N on Nov 08, 2010 09:06 AM
The problem everywhere is the puppet govts. The solution will need to be a total revamp of the whole system and not some superficiail changes, which is what the puppet govts will propose to make further fool of aam admi. Such a systemic change will have to come from aam admi. Unfortunately, aam admi has been dumbed down by the corrupt govts using it's slave media and education system. No real solution is visible in the near future, unless there is some drastic development. One should definitely hope, else the battle is lost even before starting!
Re: Re: Re: i request to whole wise indian
by Bhupinder Singh on Nov 08, 2010 10:56 AM
thanks whole people who commented by suggestion, but society is getting disenchanted,poor, middleclass is very frustrating,maobadh is taking roots,whole judiciary,babudom,leadership is rudderless,i am seeing undercurrents among poor,that will lead to bloodshed and more law,order and tension,we need to start some onlines newpaper and take strong stand against corruption,whatever start is good ,, lets take sooner , otherwise,whole country will be mess,,
The visit thus far has been marked with no US support for India in any way. Quite obviously, Obama's heart is with Pak and failure to criticize Pak in any way can only fuel more belligerence. No need for Pak to negotiate as long as it is assured of US strategic and military aid.
China and Pakistan are having good bilateral relations. India and US are playing hide and seek game. Obama though a best friend for India is motivated towards war. He wants a historical name either through peace or war.
