Indian media is not that desciplined, they report Emotional Hyped Issues which may or maynot be Factual based or for that matter either represent INDIAN PUBLIC or GOVERNMENTS VIEW.
Chines MEDIA I BELIEVE REPRESENT ONLY GOVERNMENT VIEW AND NOT PEOPLES SENTIMENT OR VIEWS.
UN need India to Counter balance one sided western Influence, China alone can't do any thing or ASIA'S agenda Passed. Thus It is in Inerest of China and ASIA fully represented in WORLD BODY.
Beside that INDIA can be Voice of MODERATION , LOGIC and WISDOM- Presently Lacking in UN SECURITY COUNCIL- IT is RULED BY US
Re: Re: It is in interest of ASIA to have permanant seat in UN to
by Mahendra Patel on Apr 01, 2010 12:19 AM
China should not worry, we should set-up working group for UN-ACTION LIST/CO-ORDINATION
Re: Re: Re: It is in interest of ASIA to have permanant seat in U
by Mahendra Patel on Apr 01, 2010 12:28 AM
India for most part remenbers it's HISTORICAL PLACE IN WORLD- But at times may act strange way too. but overall it is definatly GOOD FINE ASIA AND CHINA
China is real enemy of India and NATO. China supports NE militants China supports Pakistan, Iran, N. Korea with nukes.
China is illegally captured Tibet which is integral part of India. Indian claim on Tibet is right because Hindus holy place of Kailas mansarowar is in Tibet. Also nearly all holy rivers of India originates from Tibet.
India should support Tibet, Taiwan, and East Turkistan freedom.
India must supply nuke to Taiwan and arms to Tibetans. China do not have democracy hence support for such movements can break China in many peaces.
India with NATO countries have common enemy that is China. Hence democratic powers of world must work together to tackle Chinese evil.
Truth of China No democracy, World highest human right violation Many labor dies daily in coal mines Minority musslims are tortured in Xinjiang PPL in Tibet very angry. ppl in Hongkong are very unsatified. ppl in Taiwan already declared freedom.
Re: dont belieave china
by megakids on Apr 04, 2010 07:43 AM | Hide message
Have you finished barking? Now, sit...good boy! Have your meal....good boy (pat pat...)
Re: dont belieave china
by dylan lee on May 01, 2010 03:22 AM
Truth of China No democracy,（you are right,we eager democracy ） World highest human right violation Many labor dies daily in coal mines（you are right） Minority musslims are tortured in Xinjiang(i don't know the fact in Xinjiang.but i know lawful minority musslins are treat well ) PPL in Tibet very angry. ppl in Hongkong are very unsatified. ppl in Taiwan already declared freedom.（what is ppl?）
First time to hear, but no surprising bcz india everytime has new stories. But the approval is not only in the hand of China, but also from other four permanent members. What's more, have you ever evaluated the cost and strength to be a permanent member?? When you're a permenant member, you'll have to donate more than you can afford to the UN. I know Japan is trying to bid the seat, Germany and Brazil are also trying to prepare for the bid. But Brazil is bigger than India, Germany and Japan are richer than India, what the luck you get??
Instead of saying China not so fully in support of India, India should show China its full postures of friendship and not every time just igniting the sparks between the two countries, otherwise China has the right to support other countries. Why should China vote "yes" to India?? It's quite simple.
Re: India this time trying for permanent seat??
by JR on Mar 31, 2010 09:19 PM
Dear Zhao, let me reply you point by point. a) we can more than afford fees of UN permanent membership, we have over USD 200 bn cash lying idle. b) Our permanent membership candidacy comes from 4 counts i) India represents over 16% population worldwide, our permanent membership will give a voice to them at UN more effectively. ii) we are the biggest democracy in the world & hence a more deserving candidate than Germany, Japan or Brazil. iii) In another 10 years we will be a richer country (with higher GDP) than Germany & Japan which are stagnating in terms of economic growth rate, hence a more deserving candidate for permanent membership. iv) Anyway UN permanent membership is not a representative of present world order, hence requires more representation from Asia, Africa, South America & Oceania. Coming to we relationship with China we are not looking for subjucated big-brother kind of relationship that you have with Pakistan. We look forward to a more balanced friendly relationship with China for betterment of citizens of both the country. We are confident that we will definitely get UN permanent membership within next decade with or without China's support. JR
Re: India this time trying for permanent seat??
by Sajan on Mar 31, 2010 09:30 PM
My dear friend.. India's bid for a permanent seat has started more than a decade ago and it has got official support from the current permanent members like Russia, Britain and France. US is willing for two new seats and they have only outilined some guidelines for a new member. China is not opposed to India's candidature, but they have certain other reservations. Now if UN is representing a democratic institution, then it is not size, money or defense, it has to be the number of people it represents. India is the largest democracy with 4th ranking defense power in the world and 4th largest economy (in terms of PPP) with a population of 1.3 billion people. Now tell me a single country who can be rated against India for a Permanent seat in UN. More to your info, there is a group called G4 exists with India, Brazil, Germany and Japan. The group supports each others candidature, as they say the security counsil shold be expanded with total 10 members and the 10th member should be from Africa.
Re: India this time trying for permanent seat??
by GLADIATOR on Mar 31, 2010 09:01 PM
Are we not showing the same? Clapping can be done not with one hand, but with two hands. So the other hand, that is your nation, also needs to be more flexible and accomodative to India's needs and hand of friendship. For your info, India has the highest trade business with China and next comes USA. That itself is enough to make your head think many times abt your doubts.
Re: @Suresh
by IMTIAZ KHAN on Mar 31, 2010 07:17 PM
Correct, the current UNSC is reflective of the post WWII scenario.
Times have changed, new and important countries have emerged who contribute significantly to world order and commerce today. Just as President Sarkozy said at the Columbia University a few days back - the world cant ask major non-UNSC countries to come in as far as contribution to the UN is concerned, and get out when it comes to decision making.
There ought to be better representation from South America, Africa, Middle East, Far East Asia and of course India.
One may also argue how much sense it makes to keep the United Kingdom or France in and Germany out - just because they lost WWII.
If China owns the seat in the UN, there's no any reason India should have, bcz india is no anywhere better than China, and the two countries are so similar. Even if UN increases some more seats, India is not so convincing to win as Germany, Japan, and Brazil are all jealousy of the seats and much more competitive than india. The UN security permanent seats are given to the winners of WWII, Brits, Soviet, US, French, and China, while India at that time was still under colonial protection of Brits and not direct involved into the wars. Chinese fought 8 years to drive Japs out their country, andwhile india colonial ruled by Brits in over 300 years. This is the historical fact that india loses heart again.
Re: India not deserves the UN permanent seat
by Janarddan on Mar 31, 2010 06:35 PM
When world war loser Germany is bidding for a permanent seat, why not India which is one of the two countries that will lead this century
Re: Re: India not deserves the UN permanent seat
by IMTIAZ KHAN on Mar 31, 2010 07:19 PM
This is correct. As a matter of fact we were the ones who got China into the United Nations itself.
Re: Re: Re: India not deserves the UN permanent seat
by GLADIATOR on Mar 31, 2010 09:03 PM | Hide message
Yes, u are right, We were the one to help China get the seat in 1950. It is now China's turn to reciprocate the same.
Re: Re: India not deserves the UN permanent seat
by Janarddan on Mar 31, 2010 06:36 PM
Nonsense ! what Suresh said is basically correct. He was only wrong in that WW-II logic is not what guides UN today
Re: Re: India not deserves the UN permanent seat
by Suresh on Mar 31, 2010 06:42 PM
NO, it's not the case, and Chinese gained the seat before India's independence.
China's seat was originally filled by the Republic of China in 1946, but due to the stalemate of the Chinese Civil War in 1949, there have been two states claiming to represent China since then, and both officially claim each other's territory. In 1971, the People's Republic of China was awarded China's seat in the United Nations by UN General Assembly Resolution, and the Republic of China based in Taiwan soon lost membership in all UN organizations.
Re: Re: Re: India not deserves the UN permanent seat
by Matt on Mar 31, 2010 07:23 PM
Small correction.
Taiwan(republic of china) dismembered byitself in protest of China become UN member/UNSC member. That was a foolish step from there side. But later on they tried for the membership but it consecutively it has been vetoed by china.(peoples republic of china)
Re: Re: India not deserves the UN permanent seat
by Rajat Bhagwat on Mar 31, 2010 06:56 PM | Hide message
Chinese used eight years to drive the Japanese invaders out, it's the WWII Aisa front. Of course india can never imagine it as your textbook will never teach, bcz you have so limited horizons under the British colonial rule and india no any chance stepping into the world stages by itself.
Re: Re: India not deserves the UN permanent seat
by Rajat Bhagwat on Mar 31, 2010 06:47 PM | Hide message
When China involved in WW2, India was a colony under Brits protection, how you know the outside world if you can not even dominate youself??
Re: Re: India not deserves the UN permanent seat
by Janarddan on Mar 31, 2010 06:29 PM
Yes, poor knowledge on your part. China was one war front against one of the axial forces - Japan
China does whatever they want to do? we are re-actionist, we do not have firm policies on any front, even small countries like PAK threatens us, what a fun ? our leaders are highly afraid of and perspire when Chinese just warn them.
