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kiran paranjpe
The Rise of Representative Legislatures
by kiran paranjpe on Mar 10, 2010 02:12 PM

Since Independence, the policy of reservation has been not only implemented but the scope of it enlarged. At the time of the transfer of power,the Muslims of undivided India sought for proportional representation in the power sharing arrangement. The arrangement was rejected by the Congress as they perceived this move to create a rift between the two largest communities- the Hindus and Muslims.
It seems that we have finally learnt the folly of the Congress way because we have now begun to reserve contituencies on the basis of castes and now gender. It is only one step to introduce minority reservation in our legislatures to complete the process of proportional representation in the body politic. Would it surprise anyone if Jehadi terror and Left wing extremism are addressed in this fraudulant manner making a mockery of Universal adult suffrage as a cornerstone of our fragile democracy

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Rajesh Vadukkoot
Women, the largest minority of India ???
by Rajesh Vadukkoot on Mar 10, 2010 12:38 PM

Is this true, what's the ratio ?

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Kanwal
Gender equity is a foolish mirage
by Kanwal on Mar 10, 2010 10:14 AM

The road to hell is paved with moralistic rhetoric of political expediency.

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jaggu
White lies - Deve Gouda''''s 1996 bill became Rajiv''''s
by jaggu on Mar 10, 2010 09:26 AM



The bill was brought by the Deve gouda coalition and at least 6 times by Vajpayee to Parliament but Caangresssi opposed it.

NOW SUDDENLY IT IS RAJIVji's dream!!!


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Tall Male
Men’s status in India
by Tall Male on Mar 08, 2010 10:08 PM  | Hide replies

Men have proved that they will continue to follow the tradition of the country – protecting and providing women of the society. In this process, even if he stands to lose, the society will not tolerate their deviation. Women in the Indian culture are revered for their sanctity, modesty and sacrificial attitude toward children. The culture is destroyed. Now women are clad in skimpy clothes flaunting their bodies to attract and seduce men and also continue to demand the same reverence from the society. It is unfair for intelligent people but it is perfectly fair according to women. Quite rightly so as they stand to lose if they allow anybody to look at them with less reverence, even after shedding all their sanctity, modesty and sacrificial nature, which we are now seeing in modern women. Men in India have brought up to protect and provide women and they have helplessly accepted it. He is demanded to behave responsibly and he must always think first about his family welfare and never about himself. That can easily be proved when we see men working in the most inhospitable environment, doing hazardous jobs, slogging in the scorching sun only to feed a two square meal to his family. Has this sort of sacrificial code of conduct of men ever been revered or praised? Never. They have always been money-making machines of the family.

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Tall Male
Re: Men’s status in India
by Tall Male on Mar 08, 2010 10:09 PM
Now, after the women empowerment campaign, the condition of men is deteriorating to a dangerous level. The legal system and the political system conveniently makes a scapegoat out of a man for their vested interest. Police, who are under pressure from their peers to solve the case, will implicate an innocent man and as far as confession is concerned, police hire hefty monstrous men to give these innocent men third degree. Bollywood has always made a point that whenever a woman is in trouble, a man comes to rescue her and beats the crap out of a male villain. And women obviously stand to gain to maintain a piercing competition and hostility between two men. The mindset is so much altered by movies that people spontaneously come to the conclusion that if a woman is complaining, then the man has to be at fault and should be punished. Credibility of women in India is stupendous. The lifestyle of men has always been ignored for centuries. It is not a rare sight to watch an unassuming man peeing on the side of the road. Women, as usual, think that they are men and so they have no shame. But the Government is more interested in beautifying posh locality instead of providing essential sanitation and public toilets at key spots. Most poor men would be seen bathing near a water tank on the side of a road and people never think that they are helpless because they have no other alternative to keep themselves healthy.

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Tall Male
Women''s bill is unconstitutional!
by Tall Male on Mar 08, 2010 10:00 PM  | Hide replies

This bill is short-sighted, undemocratic, and discriminatory. The following points are worth considering:

1. This Bill takes away the democratic right of 33% of the electorate (22 crore people) to elect their representatives. It restricts the choice of both men and women in those constituencies. The state has no right to limit the pool of representatives available to the public to choose from. This is against all democratic principles of free choice.
2. This takes away the democratic right of about 11 crore men to contest in elections, thus imparting a severe blow to the health of democracy in India. This is against the fundamental rights of 11 crore men. It violates the right to equality guaranteed under the constitution.
3. It will lead to significant upheavals and instability in Indian polity, with MPs being forced to shuffle constituencies in almost every election. This would lead to an inability to nurture their constituency and further reduce accountability.
4. There are no measures to make sure that the benefits are received by the socially backward and underprivileged women, who really need them. There are no objective criteria to prevent the elite class or “creamy layer” of women from taking undue and unfair advantage of this legislation.
5. The number 33 % is totally arbitrary and no justification has been provided. Even in advanced democracies like US and UK, where most women are already empowered, the number of women in

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Tall Male
Re: Women''''s bill is unconstitutional!
by Tall Male on Mar 08, 2010 10:01 PM
Rather than taking a judicious and considered approach towards the issue, which normally expected during the legislative process, the current Bill builds on gender stereotypes and makes several deeply flawed assumptions such as:

1. Women only vote for other women – More than 50% of the women exercised their franchise in the General Election of 2004 and elected their representatives, both men and women.
2. Men cannot represent women’s interests – Men have always been more sympathetic to women and this has been proved beyond doubt in the last 60 years with women being empowered with legislations and policies of special significance. Female literacy rate, employment and political empowerment have happened without any reservations.
3. Forcing more women on the electorate is women empowerment – Forcing more women in the parliament through undemocratic means will only serve to undermine the legitimacy and efficacy of the elected women representatives.
4. All women are under-privileged - A gross generalization is made that all women are under-privileged, deprived and discriminated. That women are a homogenous group and there are no differences in terms of social status, education, etc. and hence, an across the board reservation system is needed. This major flaw would be misused by upper caste and upper class women to dominate lower class/ caste women.

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Tall Male
Re: Re: Women''''''''s bill is unconstitutional!
by Tall Male on Mar 08, 2010 10:02 PM
# Thus, the really needy women would continue to be oppressed while the creamy layer among women would become richer and powerful.
# All men are privileged - Similarly, a gross generalization is made that men are a homogenous group and are all privileged and have a natural advantage over women.
# Women are disadvantaged - Assumption is made that women have no natural advantages over men. That, the society discriminates only women and not men. It does not recognize the natural and societal advantages that women have got in terms of moral superiority, greater faith and sympathy.
# Reservation is indispensable - The bill does not recognize the fact that there have been many women who made it to high public offices and there have been many women Chief Ministers and a Prime Minister. Right now, we have a Woman President and a Woman Speaker. They all assumed office through their own efforts and without any reservation. The bill is based on the false assumption that women need reservation to enter high public offices.

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Parichay
this is shameless act of cheap votebank politics
by Parichay on Mar 08, 2010 07:07 PM

Everything should be best on merit to ensure the best possible quality.

All sssesment, competition, oppurtunity should be fair.

Any kind of reservation is greedy and cheap politics.

This is pushing India backward.


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Parichay
Everything should based on merit..reservation degrade the quality
by Parichay on Mar 08, 2010 07:02 PM

Everything should be best on merit.

If some class or part of society is not being able to match with the other part we definitely should help them and provide the oppurtunity to prove themselves.

But in this case (rather in all reservation cases) we are directly ensuring the reward without proof of eligibility.


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Parichay
Reservation is nothing but politics of vote bank ..cheap politics
by Parichay on Mar 08, 2010 06:59 PM

This is nothing but politics of vote bank.

Everything should be best on merit.

If some class or part of society is not being able to match with the other part we definitely should help them and provide the oppurtunity to prove themselves.

But in this case (rather in all reservation cases) we are directly ensuring the result.

Merit and elibility is of no use. Better statemen will be ignoered by this. this is pathetic and cheap politics.

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Almighty
Renuka Choudary created havoc ....
by Almighty on Mar 08, 2010 06:40 PM

....in the lives of men and their family members
by introducing law that only required women to merely accuse the husband of dowry harrasment and they get thrown in jail worse then terrorists treatment hundreds of men have committed suicide....now think what happens
if 33% are women.

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