The crux of this terrorism is western countries.. no doubt abt this...US took help of osama to fight against russia... when iraq attacked kuwait it was again US who used saudi as there base to attack iraq.. not to save kuwait but there were followin points like saddam was against oil tradin wrt dollar and iraq OIL... US will never use there reserves but has signed with qatar forcefully to get oil from them at the cheapest rate which will b never disclosed... qatar being a small country cant go against US... certainly there are points which made muslims become hard core terrorists which is bein never debated...even if u see the procedure of conversions of religion... muslims will talk about there religion and there way of doing prayers or even talk about jannat for converting non muslim person which never work out well with any non muslim person .... while christians will take them for party booze give them money and convert them... as these stuff do make ppl vulnerable... but again these foolish pakis are sendin terrorists against india in the name of kashmir and again this work is also by mountbatten who made sure that kashmir remains a disputed territory after independence...
Re: Ploy by western countries
by Nina Gosalia on Feb 01, 2010 04:01 PM
Re: Terror can’t be JUSTIFIED...TRUE. But it can always be by Nina Gosalia on Feb 01, 2010 03:58 PM dear wahaj, what u say is to some extent true,please dont forget there is subconscious feeling in all of us to dominate others.some do it ,right is might and others might is right,and a small fraction says,it was the order of that day and move on. we had lot of conversion,killing and supression by various maugals ,british,portugues,but that has not turned us to terrorism.so there is something more then what is said.and learned ,sensible muslims ,with moderate views should become more vocal in their views. nalin
Re: Ploy by western countries
by PAKICRAP on Feb 01, 2010 05:51 PM
Mr rexberry, you are wrong. It is not Western nations, but Pakistan, Saudi, Yemen, and other failed states that are responsible for terrorism. Get that in your head. Are we so naive to get taken in by your loony talks? Why do you hear everyday people from these failed states or one religionM being caught everyday. Dont blame USA or the other Western nations or India. be thankful that you are enjoying all modern comforts incl internet thanks to USA and the West for they invented them
The crux of this terrorism is western countries.. no doubt abt this...US took help of osama to fight against russia... when iraq attacked kuwait it was again US who used saudi as there base to attack iraq.. not to save kuwait but there were followin points like saddam was against oil tradin wrt dollar and iraq OIL... US will never use there reserves but has signed with qatar forcefully to get oil from them at the cheapest rate which will b never disclosed... qatar being a small country cant go against US... certainly there are points which made muslims become hard core terrorists which is bein never debated...even if u see the procedure of conversions of religion... muslims will talk about there religion and there way of doing prayers or even talk about jannat for converting non muslim person which never work out well with any non muslim person .... while christians will take them for party booze give them money and convert them... as these stuff do make ppl vulnerable... but again these foolish pakis are sendin terrorists against india in the name of kashmir and again this work is also by mountbatten who made sure that kashmir remains a disputed territory after independence...
Terror can’t be JUSTIFIED...TRUE. But it can always be explained.
Some questionable elements explain it as something rooted in our faith… something taken up to go to paradise and get virgin companions.
Truth is that there it is no Terror-Ism by Muslims by and large. This phenomenon is only Insanity of Brutalized people. First, US and Europe did a lot Wrong in last 100 years before brutalized sections started to go insane and take to Terror Tactics.
In short, this current phase of Terror by Muslims is only a reactive phenomenon. To know the rootcase, please read modern middle east history.
If you want to learn more, read best seller “A Peace to End All Peace” by David Frompkin, or search A peace to end All Peace on net
Re: Terror can’t be JUSTIFIED...TRUE. But it can always be
by Nina Gosalia on Feb 01, 2010 03:59 PM
dear wahaj, what u say is to some extent true,please dont forget there is subconscious feeling in all of us to dominate others.some do it ,right is might and others might is right,and a small fraction says,it was the order of that day and move on. we had lot of conversion,killing and supression by various maugals ,british,portugues,but that has not turned us to terrorism.so there is something more then what is said.and learned ,sensible muslims ,with moderate views should become more vocal in their views. nalin
Re: Terror can’t be JUSTIFIED...TRUE. But it can always be
by PAKICRAP on Feb 01, 2010 05:44 PM
Wahaj, you need to brush up your antiquated mind with up to date facts. Have you forgotten the terror unleashed by the Mughal rulers, tyrants like Babar,Aurangzeb,etc and of modern demons like Al Qeada, Pakistan, etc.
It is easy sitting there blaming the West for every misery you have had. If that was the case, why are scores of Muslims living in the West living a royal and lavish life earning fab salaries? Are they being victimised there? if that was so they would have been kcked out long back. They enjoy all the freedom and fine living that they cannot in their own natios most of which are failed states. Palestines were offered a no of options that would have allowed them to live as a seperate nation and exist side by side with Isreal. They did not accept it and are always fighting. Al Qeada and its likes do not acceptnon-Muslims and calls for theirLiquidation. With that kind of attitude no wonder they perpetuate terror and kill people. Look at your nation Pakistan, that is the hub of terror, spawning scores of terror groups, sending terrorists across the world and killing innocents.
The book u mentioned may say something but there are other stories as well that lead to terrorism. And Pakistan is in the forefront of this phenomenan across the world.
Re: Terror can’t be JUSTIFIED...TRUE. But it can always be
by dudehere on Feb 01, 2010 03:16 PM
what about the terr0r by pakistan in bangladesh in 1971 and what about the terr0r by iraq against iran and kuwait? why dont u blame these countries also?
Re: Re: Re: Terror can’t be JUSTIFIED...TRUE. But it can al
by dudehere on Feb 01, 2010 03:24 PM
also add to it the brutality by which pakistan destroyed afganistan by creating taliban. plz add all these countries also to the list. just coz you name incidents differently nothin changes.
Re: Re: Re: Terror can’t be JUSTIFIED...TRUE. But it can al
by dudehere on Feb 01, 2010 03:21 PM
hahaha just coz you give separate names to all these exterminations u cant change anything!
Re: Re: Re: Re: Terror can’t be JUSTIFIED...TRUE. But it ca
by Wahaj Faridy on Feb 01, 2010 03:34 PM
So unable to directly counter my message on Terror, you want to expand scope of discussion to all Brutality in the world.
Even then, WW1, WW2, colonial conquests, acstiest oppressions would come to top in the least of brutalization
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Terror can’t be JUSTIFIED...TRUE. But i
by PAKICRAP on Feb 01, 2010 05:47 PM
WAHAJ, why do want to bring in WW1, WW2, colonial conquests, ETC? Why dont u talk abt Pakistan that is the epicentre of terror and is responsible for terrorism across the world? Why dont u talk abt ISI of your failed state Pak that is responsible for creating so many terror groups incl Al Qeada and Taliban? Are u scared to have a dialogue on that??
Re: Terror can’t be JUSTIFIED...TRUE. But it can always be
by Nina Gosalia on Feb 01, 2010 03:58 PM
dear wahaj, what u say is to some extent true,please dont forget there is subconscious feeling in all of us to dominate others.some do it ,right is might and others might is right,and a small fraction says,it was the order of that day and move on. we had lot of conversion,killing and supression by various maugals ,british,portugues,but that has not turned us to terrorism.so there is something more then what is said.and learned ,sensible muslims ,with moderate views should become more vocal in their views. nalin
if j3had can be justified against israel usa india. then why no j3had against iraq or pakistan? its a simple question! after al pakistan cull3d 30 lakh people in bangladesh?
Re: Re: @shaikh
by dudehere on Feb 01, 2010 03:06 PM
just like u said AQ is an mentality it doesnt require any date to be born! why is it that the mentality at that time when these things happened ignite the cry for j3had against pakistan and iraq? today the reason they are takin on wit pak is a complete reason! i.e america. yea i do enjoy countin the remainin population of pakistan! coz paki5 have nothing against india but h8rd.
Re: Re: Re: @shaikh
by shaikhhamid on Feb 01, 2010 03:22 PM
dude i said that looking at the current situation....now it has become a thought process....:)
Re: Re: Re: Re: @shaikh
by dudehere on Feb 01, 2010 03:28 PM
dude AQ is not some company to start with a big advertisement nd all. AQ nd all where startd lookin at what countries like us israel where doin in M_lim countries. my point is why is it that only when some other rligion guy attacks m_lim countries that country deserves j3had and why not the same not being applied to same rligion doing mass murder too?
Re: thw world
by dudehere on Feb 01, 2010 02:31 PM
nd why is AQ not strikeing pakistan or iraq for what paistan did in bangladesh or what iraq did in iran and kuwait?
Re: Re: Re: thw world
by dudehere on Feb 01, 2010 02:43 PM
then why is that wahaj guy shoutin blah blah against usa? but is not even leavin out a whimper about pak or iraq?
Re: Re: Re: Re: thw world
by shaikhhamid on Feb 01, 2010 02:58 PM
dude if ppls like wajah are there, then u will find many ppls like him who never say anything abt the misdeeds of super power countries...instead they support all their misdeeds...:)
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: thw world
by dudehere on Feb 01, 2010 03:17 PM
ther is no harm in supportin superpowers if the superpowers make terror nations like pakistan squeal.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: thw world
by dudehere on Feb 01, 2010 03:18 PM
ther is no harm in supportin superpowers if the superpowers make terror nations like pakistan squeal.
Re: Re: Re: Re: thw world
by shaikhhamid on Feb 01, 2010 02:58 PM
dude if ppls like wajah are there, then u will find many ppls like him who never say anything abt the misdeeds of super power countries...instead they support all their misdeeds...:)
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: thw world
by dudehere on Feb 01, 2010 03:21 PM
i dont care about misdeeds of super powers. but if the same super powers are helping pakistan squel like a rat. i will keep supportin super powers.
Re: thw world
by dudehere on Feb 01, 2010 02:30 PM
why is there no j3had against p0rki5tan? after p0rki5tan cull3d 30 lakh people in bangladesh? nothing is wrong in profiling people from selective countries like p0rki5tan and other terr0r coutnries which doesnt take any action against terr0r havens inspite of repeated warnings!
Re: Re: Re: thw world
by dudehere on Feb 01, 2010 02:34 PM
SH didnt say AQ is no more he says its a mentality! the christmas bomber was not trained by any AQ kQ nd all he just followed the thot process of AQ.
Re: Re: Re: Re: thw world
by shaikhhamid on Feb 01, 2010 02:39 PM
dude i am not saying AQ is no more, i am saying even if u wipe out the big shots of AQ it will not be the end of terrorism....
Re: thw world
by dudehere on Feb 01, 2010 02:29 PM
yea but cleanin pakistan and the border areas witha fganistan will severly break AQ. atleast we will not have to put up with regulary video or audio releases of osama!
As to why India is the victim of 111slam11c cr11m1nal11ty? 11salam11c cr11m1nality started sometime in mid 7th century founded by the cr11m1nal p11g erupted in the desert, when no USA, Europe were there.
What is the backgrpound of Mullahs, like Wahaj Faridy whethet they have not read their own history own F and M who were not at all from 1111slam111c cr11mnals, and trying to teach the civilized society.
Why p_1_9s are in partiuclar group?
If any Mu11ah has read the history can this great land India, as to how 11slaam11c cr11m1nals 11nvaded?
Afghanitan is H11nd00 / buddha country, Pak a h1nd00 country.
Without elliminating cr11m11nal group, world can never see the peac.
It is US, UK, European country, and Israel is in forefront who are in this holy job. Even in India few good people have taken this good job.
Re: Re: Cany any Mu11ah, like Wahaj Faridy would reply?
by shaikhhamid on Feb 01, 2010 02:25 PM
and was any thing called "india" there in 7th century ????
Re: Re: Re: Cany any Mu11ah, like Wahaj Faridy would reply?
by dudehere on Feb 01, 2010 02:26 PM
he didnt mention any india being there in 7 th century.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Cany any Mu11ah, like Wahaj Faridy would reply?
by shaikhhamid on Feb 01, 2010 02:29 PM
dude :As to why "India" is the victim of 111slam11c cr11m1nal11ty? 11salam11c cr11m1nality started sometime in mid 7th century founded by the cr11m1nal p11g erupted in the desert, when no USA, Europe were there."
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Cany any Mu11ah, like Wahaj Faridy would repl
by dudehere on Feb 01, 2010 02:40 PM
his message was to purely abuse your faith agreed. but he is frustraed about the blsts and 2611.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Cany any Mu11ah, like Wahaj Faridy would repl
by shaikhhamid on Feb 01, 2010 02:37 PM
dude boss the post is there u can read it one more time....there is no mention of 26/11 or any blasts....
its purely on histroy and invading and 7th century...
all in all it was a pure post of abusing our fiath....nothing else
If the stupid christofascists, judeofascists, and atheistofascists of the west really want to improve their security, it's really quite simple. Stop attacking and invading Muslim countries. Stop harrassing Muslims. If you don't want people to retaliate against you, stop pissing them off in the first place. Profiling innocent people because of their race, religion, or nationality is just going to piss more people off. Common sense really.
Re: Stupid Racists & Bigots
by MAN on Feb 01, 2010 02:32 PM
Funky, if they were so innocents, why they are always caught in the act of terrorism? Innocents suffer because of people belonging to their ownfaith and nation committing terror attacks. The West never invaded the M lands, only it did so when terrorist from some nations attacked their nation.
Re: Stupid Racists & Bigots
by MAN on Feb 01, 2010 02:32 PM
Funky, if they were so innocents, why they are always caught in the act of terrorism? Innocents suffer because of people belonging to their ownfaith and nation committing terror attacks. The West never invaded the M lands, only it did so when terrorist from some nations attacked their nation.
Re: Stupid Racists & Bigots
by dudehere on Feb 01, 2010 02:13 PM
why is there no j3had against p0rki5tan? after p0rki5tan cull3d 30 lakh people in bangladesh? nothing is wrong in profiling people from selective countries like p0rki5tan and other terr0r coutnries which doesnt take any action against terr0r havens inspite of repeated warnings!
