Re: @Vivek Dev
by Vivek Dev on Dec 03, 2010 08:56 AM
What ever is wrong needs to be criticised. The critic is doing a favour if people have the maturity to understand. Even Indian sages like Tulsidas and others advised to have critic one's own house as crticism leads to reform, correction and overall improvement. I am doing a favour by pointing out what is wrong. It is for people to take it in the right spirit.
What the hell, any emperor never wears any clothes or if at all its as normal as dress as anyone else. It's all the making of the acolytes who sing paeans to the emperor, be it may Churchill or Gandhi or the US or India. We all tend either glorify things more than what they deserve or completely run them down.
Re: @Vivek Dev
by Vivek Dev on Dec 03, 2010 08:52 AM
That was true of Enland in Scott's times. I am sure he would have a different take if he were to appear in India today.
Re: Re: Re: @Vivek Dev
by Vivek Dev on Dec 03, 2010 02:13 PM
Who frame the laws in UK, Canada, US- Indians or brits, aussies and americans? Is pm of UK indian?
Churchill was one of the greatest leaders in history and not amount of mudslinging by Indians can change that fact. Gandhi and Nehru were responsible for the world's biggest blood baths in history. These researchers should focus on that.
Re: Churchill was one of the greatest
by brahmarakshas on Dec 02, 2010 03:27 PM
Vivek bro, yeah Churchill was great as were Gandhi and Nehru. That does not exclude the fact that Churchill was a bloody thirsty racist as far as India was concerned and also the fact that Bapu and Nehru made mistakes in the partition. What the heck, everyone screws up sometime or other and one should have the guts to see things individually for their sake instead of glorifying individuals as some sort of saint.
BTW, if you look at things in micro detail, Russia and Stalin were probably more responsible for Hitler's downfall than good old Churchill.
Re: Re: Churchill was one of the greatest
by Vivek Dev on Dec 02, 2010 08:05 PM
Indians are the world's biggest racists. They practise mother of all racist ideologies caste. Any leader who screws up territorial interests of the country is considered unworthy of leading a nation and is quickly and effectively marginalised. About Stalin and Russia well it is your opinion. I dont know whether it has any basis in facts. I am therefore in no position to offer any comment. You may be right, you may be wrong.
Re: Re: Churchill was one of the greatest
by Vivek Dev on Dec 02, 2010 04:49 PM
Gandhi and Nehru were not great, brahma. Nehru gave away thousands of sq km of India territory to China. Gandhi was talking Hindu muslim unity and could not avert partition. Both were disasters for India. If they are great leaders according to you then you need to understand what is a great leader.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Churchill was one of the greatest
by Vivek Dev on Dec 02, 2010 07:55 PM
Any leader who loses even one sq inch of national territory to other country is a monumental failure, whatever other achievements he may have. Churchill did not lose UK territory. That is the primary consideration of good leadership.
Re: Re: Re: Churchill was one of the greatest
by brahmarakshas on Dec 02, 2010 06:30 PM
Would I be wrong in assuming that you are some kind of right wing fanatic, who probably thinks military rule is what needed for the country, Hitler was right et all :)
Re: Re: Re: Churchill was one of the greatest
by brahmarakshas on Dec 02, 2010 06:28 PM
Dev babu, so according to you, Churchill was a great leader who starved people. Is that right. Well good to you brother, if you want a leader like that. I reiterate again that no one is perfect and greatness does not exclude the person termed great making any mistakes. Try to understand that first brother.
True, Churchill had great chutzpah, but he also had his weaknesses.
BTW, you have not commented on Stalin and Russia that I have mentioned earlier. Are they great or not :)
Re: Re: Re: Re: Churchill was one of the greatest
by Vivek Dev on Dec 02, 2010 07:57 PM
I would not believe anything that Indian writers put out. Indians are not known for honesty of any kind, even intellectual. Take it with a pinch of salt. I would rather believe the brits on this,they have greater credibility.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Churchill was one of the greatest
by brahmarakshas on Dec 03, 2010 10:23 AM
@Vivek, The point is brother Vivek, Churchill is not a paragon of virtue and he had his faults. Better that all of us start accepting that the people whom we admire the most too have faults. Gasp, they are also as human as us.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Churchill was one of the greatest
by brahmarakshas on Dec 02, 2010 06:36 PM
Avinash anna, all leaders have their faults. Poor Dev baba does not understand that or maybe he does not want to understand.
The British were a spent force by the end of WWII and the mantle of superpower had passed to US and USSR. So Churchill baba had attacked USSR to start WWIII, well we may not have been around today to discuss this. Well, this too could be taken as a sign of a great leader, leading the whole world to a near disaster.
Re: Churchill was one of the greatest
by vimaljith p on Dec 02, 2010 09:30 AM
Ya dats true man coz u r one of those types of ppl vich churchil foresaw india wud get filled with.
Re: Churchill was one of the greatest
by kristalsoldier on Dec 02, 2010 08:48 AM
You need to read your history more carefully. Churchill may have been a great leader for the West, but he certainly was a major irritant in so far as India and Indian independence is concerned.
Re: Re: Churchill was one of the greatest
by Vivek Dev on Dec 02, 2010 11:05 AM
Yes he was right in not allowing India to become independent. The present state of India proves him right.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Churchill was one of the greatest
by Vivek Dev on Dec 02, 2010 11:30 AM
Vinash- No wonder Indians sell everything to become third class citizens in US, UK, Canada,Aus and other gora countries. Ha.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Churchill was one of the greatest
by Vivek Dev on Dec 02, 2010 12:05 PM
One swallow does not make a summer. There are zillions of Indians who would happily settle in gora lands.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Churchill was one of the greatest
by Vivek Dev on Dec 02, 2010 11:47 AM
Vinash-Show me one Indian who would not like to bail out of INdia and settle in these countries and I will show you a liar.
He was anti India and hated India to the most. A racist opportunist, as much as comparable to hitler. Had not the Americans intervened in the War Hitler would have made this fat swine clean his shoes.
Re: Churchill was baaasturd
by GARY on Dec 02, 2010 07:28 AM
He was cunningly deceptive and has a deep rooted hatred ag India. His bluff was later rebutted by many known historians.
Re: Re: Churchill was baaasturd
by vimaljith p on Dec 02, 2010 09:29 AM
Ya dats true man coz u r one of those types of ppl vich churchil foresaw india wud get filled with.
