Wake up ! enough of handling with kids gloves...CONFIRM to the world that it is indeed INDIAN territory and allow all indians to buy land etc. there....and yes! allow the Biharis from Mumbai to settle there...atleats Raj will be a happy man....do what the Chinese/Israleis have doen in their territories
Re: Where was this anger of so called Kashmiris????
by Romesh Puri on Aug 09, 2010 12:17 PM
Yes Mr Rajesh Zha there was no news abt all that. We should ....
Both made INDIA hell with communal voilence to get the chair by using hindu votebank,after their efforts india is paying price for communalized INDIA,People devided and RSS making bomb blasts.
Re: Re: what BINDS both MR.ADVANI AND MR.MODI??
by BRUNO MONTEIRO on Aug 09, 2010 11:34 AM
Very True.. And Congress are not saints also.. They are worse than BJP and Pakistan.. They are the cause of all the problems happening in kashmir and north east as these places are neglected for development
...because It gives us the purpose of our taking birth
...because It gives us the Framework of Morality
...because It gives us the meaning of Human-ness.
Nationalism is another hindrance in humanity thinking as ONE...but yes, patriotism is good virtue becaus it means love for country within boundaries of Morality and humanity.
Indian NATIONALISM tells Indians to keep Kashmir even at cost of Millions of lives
Pakistani NATIONALISM tells Pakistanis to keep fightig for Kashmir even at cost of Millions of lives
KASHMIRI NATIONALISM tells Kashmiris to keep fightig for Kashmir even at cost of Millions of lives
Re: @RAJDEEP
by Ramesh Dodani on Aug 09, 2010 09:03 AM
fully agree with you problem is only in valley as they are in majority - by keeping jammu & ladakh part of kashmir - india has not been fair with them & they should be rewarded for being peaceful instead our government keeps throwing money on money who are either anti india or mere puppets of pakis.
learn from china how cleverly they have solved tibet issue
Re: Religion
by Rajdeep Drohi on Aug 06, 2010 09:55 PM
Unless we as Indians first accept this fact, no solution is going to work. Its the nature of the semitic religions that religion is above nationality.
Re: Re: Religion
by Mathew Mathews on Aug 07, 2010 06:12 AM
I would like to contest that. I am a christian and an Indian. My love to my GOD is of the utmost for me but the GOD I believe is not a competitor towards my love for my country, India. I am proud to be an Indian. The only thing I will not do for any one is to degrade the GOD I believe in. My GOD doesnt teach me to be treacherous to my land and my people and that means all Indians.
Ajit Kumar Doval Posted: Wed Aug 04 2010, 02:42 hrs Beware of half truths — because you may be holding the wrong half. After having seen and read so much about the Sohrabuddin episode in the last five years, one might believe one knows it all. Sohrabuddin is now cast as an innocent victim of police excess.
However, it would be worthwhile to explore the real facts about Sohrabuddin, the nature of police encounters, and the real issues at stake. Sohrabuddin was an underworld gangster who was involved in nearly two dozen serious criminal offences in states of Gujarat, Rajasthan, Madhya Pradesh and Maharashtra. He maintained transnational links with anti-India forces from the early ‘90s onwards, until his death in 2005. Working with mafia dons like Dawood Ibrahim and Abdul Latif, he procured weapons and explosives from Pakistan and supplied them to various terrorist and anti-national groups (had it not been for his activity, at least some terrorist acts could have been averted). Sohrabuddin was solidly entrenched in the criminal world for a decade-and-a-half. Around the time he was killed, the Rajasthan government had announced a reward on his head. In 1999, he had been detained under the National Security Act by the Madhya Pradesh government.
In a 1994 case investigated by the Ahmedabad crime branch, he was co-accused along with Dawood Ibrahim and convicted for five years, for waging war against the Government of India, planning an attack on the
Re: PM
by guru on Aug 07, 2010 02:36 PM
Mr.George , I approiciate your informations & Above that your deep knowledge of the recent affairs. It is a pity that a criminal was eleminated (may be by the means which was not appropriate)& that should be the end of it why such a fuss about it?
Re: PM
by George Godd on Aug 06, 2010 09:51 PM
In a 1994 case investigated by the Ahmedabad crime branch, he was co-accused along with Dawood Ibrahim and convicted for five years, for waging war against the Government of India, planning an attack on the Jagannath rath yatra in Orissa, and other offences under the IPC, Arms Act, etc. During the investigation, 24 AK-56 rifles, 27 hand grenades, 5250 cartridges, 81 magazines and more were seized from his family home in Madhya Pradesh. In 2004, a fourth crime was registered against him by Chandgad police station of Kolhapur district in Maharashtra under sections 302, 120 (b), and 25 (1) (3) of the Arms Act, for the killing of Gopal Tukaram Badivadekar. As fear of him often silenced people from reporting his whereabouts, let alone deposing against him, the Rajasthan government had to announce a reward on his head after he killed Hamid Lata in broad daylight in the heart of Udaipur, on December 31, 2004. So much for Sohrabuddin's innocence.
Re: Re: PM
by George Godd on Aug 06, 2010 09:51 PM
However, irrespective of who Sohrabuddin was and what he did, the use of unaccountable force against him is indefensible is the public view of many (often at variance with their private view). There are many who feel that there is a higher rationale for such actions in compelling circumstances, as the law of the land has repeatedly found itself helpless in dealing with individuals bent on bleeding the country. Their argument, that the rule of law is a means to an end and not an end in itself, often finds support in the jurisprudential principles of salus populi est suprema lex (the people's welfare is the supreme law) and salus res publica est suprema lex (the safety of the nation is supreme law). Even the Supreme Court of India, in the case of D.K. Basu vs. State of West Bengal [1997 (1) SCC 416] accepted the validity of these two principles and characterised them as "not only important and relevant, but lying at the heart of the doctrine that welfare of an individual must yield to that of the community." The validity of the principles of salus populi est suprema lex and salus res publica est suprema lex could have been part of an enlightened national discourse, and what could be the governing instrumentalities, empowerments, legal checks and stringent processes if these principles were to be invoked. It is better to accept reality as it is and then strive to change it for the better, rather than what we wish it to be. Feigned ignorance is the wors
Re: Re: Re: PM
by George Godd on Aug 06, 2010 09:53 PM
But there is another vital question that needs to be addressed. While pursuing the Sohrabuddin case, was the government really serious about stopping the menace of fake encounters, or was it pursuing a different agenda? Encounters have been taking place all over the country under all regimes, at times degenerating into what are called fake encounters. Between 2000 and 2007 there have been 712 cases of police encounters in the country with UP topping the list at 324, and Gujarat figuring almost at the bottom with 17.
In some of the cases there was not much on record, even to establish the criminal past of those killed. Settling political scores through security and investigative agencies like the CBI is not only bad politics, but also destructive for the nation's security. To convey the impression (explicitly or implicitly) that Sohrabuddin was targeted for belonging to a particular community, thereby creating a sense of insecurity in a section of society, is detrimental to national interests. It is little known that a large number of Sohrabuddin's victims were Muslims while a good number of his closest associates (including Tulsiram Prajapati, who was also killed in a similar encounter), were Hindu. William Blake could not have been more right when he said that "a truth that is pursued with bad intent beats all the lies you can invent".
Re: Re: Re: Re: PM
by George Godd on Aug 06, 2010 09:53 PM
The other negative impact of the Sohrabuddin case is the impression it is creating that all encounters in which police and security forces are involved, are fake. Society needs to be reassured that the majority of encounters are genuine and mostly in response to murderous attacks on security personnel. The fact that, on average, over 1,200 policemen get killed every year grappling with terrorists, insurgents, underworld mafia and other anti-social elements, bears ample testimony to this fact. Playing up a few aberrations and blowing them out of proportion and presenting them as the only truth is not in the national interest.
The other downside of the publicity around such cases is that it erodes the people's trust in governance. Administrations begin to be seen as instruments of repression and self-aggrandisement and politicians as perceived as manipulating their power for political and personal gains. This erosion can lead to a dangerous delegitimisation of the polity. Democratic politics is an exercise in regime-legitimisation, and to lose the confidence of the governed would set the government on a self-destructive path.
The writer is former director of the Intelligence Bureau
Re: Re: KASHMIR BEL;ONGS TO KASHMIRI PANDITS
by Prasad on Aug 06, 2010 09:40 PM
Just allow free immigration of Indians into Kashmir and the problem will get sorted out in 5 years. The Kashmiris can be booted out to Porkistan which is where they belong to.
Re: Re: Re: KASHMIR BEL;ONGS TO KASHMIRI PANDITS
by Ramesh Dodani on Aug 09, 2010 09:08 AM
thats how tibet issue has been solved by china - dont ever let these mussies be in majority in any place
china russia phlipines thailand india - all these countries facing problems from these people from region where these people are in majority they are a curse to humanity
no use blaming one or theother. situation is grim. we shold be serious. we have fritered away time to build on peace and electrions.Now Kashmirneeds firm handling in President rule. no point talking to Huryat, separatist. It encourages more violence and hope in getting rewarded by violence.
