The Pahari tribals have forgotten the rich tribal life due to endless poaching of these religious place of Garwal near Ganges. Please evict all the COMMERCIAL-RELIGIOUS institution from ANY religion. Restore our old tribal-jungle life. 90% of institutions in Rishikesh, Garwhal, Massourie are garbage and can be moved out to convert those lands to tribal forest supported by Enviroment tax.
Even the Corbett park needs to be cleaned from commercial poachers and bribe taking government officials. We dont want to make Mathura-vridval religious-commerce out of Garhwal.
Garwal should be place for Garwal Tribal and ONLY the non-Commericial presense of SENIOR CITIZEN (like Bodh Mayi Ganga) who are NOT beggars.
NO natak Swamis, foreign polluter rock bands, fakers, commercial BUILDERS, commericial condoniums, etc.
Government official and police please move out of Garwal Deva Bhumi to serve/protect from OUTSIDE our lands. Slowly we will remove power/phone/etc. We want to break all building and restore forest. We will give you concrete from all the broken construction.
We will learn to be tribals again in Garwal, will find ways to have population that forest can sustain and live in harmony with jungles as our ancestors did. Water baffalo is of significance to Garwal tribals. Please move outside our areas, exception of non-garwali SENIOR CITIZENS & children who are not beggars who dont do commerce in our lands can stay AS WE RESTORE TRIBAL way to live from
Re: Restore Pahari tribals of Rishikesh, Garwal back to their lif
by E darwin on Apr 22, 2010 06:58 PM
AS WE RESTORE TRIBAL way to live from forest lands...No cars/phone/..
we should agree as Tribals do on reforestation to get our nation back, such process will bring our draught lands into forest, bring flood lands to forest, mine lands into forest, poached/un-poached villages/urban/missionary/madarsa/NGO/government lands into forest where Tribal lived/danced happily.
Once tribals who became urban and agriculural labour/owners learn to be tribals again of forest that we lost and we become who were. We will learn to live happy without modernization, technology, equipments and be happy again.
Forest can give us wild vegetables, bunch of wild & sweet potato, beans, fruits and so much more.. That is very sufficient for us tribals to survive. We dont need crops, big markets, traders and machines and extorionist and money supply banks and all that urban/rural setup that "development pill" promises or provides.
We dont need schools, trucks, cars, fridge, currency/cash(for/from extortionist/lurers), etc. The less, the better.
We just want Government(beaurocracy/politician/development pills), poachers(industrialist/miners/etc) and idealogist( maoist/naxals/missionaries/jihadis/NGOs/etc) to be out of our Tribal lands of today and reclaimed ones.
Enviroment fraction of overall TAX can give sufficient funds to security forces (seated outside our lands) to protect us from poachers, idealogist and government. Also health
Re: Re: Restore Pahari tribals of Rishikesh, Garwal back to their
by E darwin on Apr 22, 2010 07:08 PM
Also health service can be provide from outside tribal lands.
we should also make near the Ganges land to up-polluted once we move all the religious/non-religious commerce out....
You can visit, but cannot stay overnight or build your property or commerce. Exception are the non-commerce SENIOR CITIZEN and children who live in minimal (no big banglows or palaces to disrupt tribal fores lifestyle).
Tribal life restore shall not depend on non-tribals (except for emergency service provided from outside tribal lands). Dependence of bania/non-bania/commercial/etc have THE ROOT CAUSE that ruined tribal life and ENVIROMENT AND ECOLOGY and let tribals allow commercial and non-commercial poachers.
Religion and faith were invented to improve upon one’s soul by comparing with some ideal (God) as reference point. Instead of changing himself, if someone changes or sells the faith for money or for anything means he is doubting the God itself. Such persons are unfit to be in any religion. Such person may change his faith or religion again and again for more money. It is better such people get out of Hinduism. The more the conversions, Hinduism gets purified the better.
Re: Better
by vishal m on Apr 22, 2010 06:18 PM
Good one MM!!! You are in correct direction to understand the religion and get to know the God completlty!!
Re: Better
by youngturk on Apr 22, 2010 08:43 PM
No need of conversion is a democratic country, where relgous freedom is maintained. Anybody wants to follow some other sect can freely decide on his own, without changing their relgion formally by birth. Unfortunatley soul harvesting is done by counting numbers!
I am seeing many preachers from sectarian religions preaching their philosophies here. After reading my scriptures, the teachings of these preachers look very puny to me.
Just like if a person is doing Ph.D and you ask him to study class X books, will he not laugh? I also feel like laughing on these preachers who are preaching class X books, when we are already on the post graduate course in the science of GOD.
these preachers describe something called a heaven and hell. but our scriptures give us the information that there are 9 hellish planets, their names, properties and duration an entiy lives ther efor and the type of sin it commmits which decides where it will land. similarly we have 7 heavenly planets beginning from indraloka to brahma loka.
for these preachers heaven and hell is final, but our scriptures give us information that these heavens and hells are part of 14 planetory system of this material world and the life there is not eternal, though it is very very long compared to life on planet earth.
these preachers dont know the difference between pure soul and the body. we have information that when soul is completely above the bodily conception of life od mode of goodness, passion and ignorance, and it is in full devotion of Supreme Lord, then it attains liberation and goes to spiritual destination which is above these 14 planetory systems. these preachers keep offending H1ndus that we have so many gods. Unfortunately th
Re: Hinduism Phd in religion
by youngturk on Apr 22, 2010 08:56 PM
They are calling it 'true relgon' which we call a dumb man's relgon. All so-called 'relgon' is based on fake claims, so nobody can claim theirs is better than the other! Anyway todays hinds are no intelligent either, even if their scriptures are well-written! Most of the hinds are illiterate to even read them, let alone understand!
I urge everyone to not make this a forum for religious (Hindu, Muslim, Sikh, Christians, Buddhists, Jains, Jews) debate or region debate(East, West, North, South Indians) or caste debate.
It will not bring any peace to you.
I repent for making statements that may have hurt anyone's feelings. I have not named any persons in any of my comments and I urge people to not take it personally.
I believe in God / Allah / Bhagwan / Ishwar - just different names in different language representing the same almighty.
How we pray may be different, but my point is - if you want others to show respect for your faith, do not make abusive remarks about faith of others. As others can then respond in a like manner. And then, we will all be reduced to lowly fighting creatures worse than animals.
Almighty has given me this inspiration to repent. I hope others on here get the same inspiration.
I pray to God / Allah / Bhagwan / Ishwar to bless all of you.
Re: Repent
by JGN on Apr 22, 2010 12:37 PM
ng, you are talking like a liberal h1ndu. Do you think the followers of jeal0us WestAsianG0ds think like that? So far as they are concerned, any one not worshippping theirG0d is an enemy and needs to be either converrrted or eliminated at any c0st.
Re: Re: Repent
by ng on Apr 22, 2010 01:02 PM
JGN - there are people who use abusive language on here and I think it just doesn't help anyone. People need to be factual - not poke at others and debate like they were debating with their friends face to face.
Re: Re: Re: Repent
by moon light on Apr 22, 2010 01:06 PM
i fully agree with JGN . why should we be abusive when we can have normal discussion. there r differences every wherein same religion different sects different beliefs and different regions have different culture and value system
Re: Re: Re: Re: Repent
by JGN on Apr 22, 2010 01:10 PM
moon light, we all belong to the same specie called "Ho*moSapienSapien". All other divisions are manmade. No Re1igion is better than the other. No Re1igion has ever stopped people from committing crimes.
I do not belive in the d0gmas of any re1gion nor do I believe in any g0d. It is the "b0lier-than-th0u" attitude of xtians and muz1ims that is irritating.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Repent
by moon light on Apr 22, 2010 01:30 PM
well dude . if people r like u then then there wont be hatred among HSS. (hom sapiens) that is what we all need now.putting faith for ourself and not force on anyone. nd if anyone is converting by freewill it is their choice. how can anyone change the heart and mind with money or alluring. the thing is people r worried about their religion getting reduced . so all these tensions
Re: Re: Re: Repent
by JGN on Apr 22, 2010 01:04 PM
I am not talking about those who post trash on Rediff but about the ide0logy of the WestAsianRe1igions.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Repent
by moon light on Apr 22, 2010 01:37 PM
let all of us indians live in peace and harmony . dont get divided by hate or region or anyother thing that divides . terroristsand suiside bombers r against their own religion. so lets work for peace. all of us.
Re: Re: Same dilemma
by rattlehindu on Apr 22, 2010 12:51 PM
Hindus don't know about their own religion, but get ready to criticize about others... what a pity
Re: Re: Re: Same dilemma
by JGN on Apr 22, 2010 01:05 PM
It is better that they do not know about Re1igion; those who know about their Re1igion are blowiiiing themselves up "in the cause of A1111ah" for getting seventytwothings withouth0les and twentyeighthair1ess b0ys in an imaginary life here-after!!!
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Same dilemma
by vijay poojary on Apr 22, 2010 01:18 PM
but in holy koran say that, who make blood shed for islam they will directly go to heavan
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Same dilemma
by moon light on Apr 22, 2010 01:39 PM
well ..it is said fight if some one says against god and his pr0phats. r the innocent people who r being killed said any things against anyone
Re: Same dilemma
by youngturk on Apr 22, 2010 08:58 PM
Even after removing false perception about every relgon, one can stick to their own! Dont try to act cleverer than others.
We worship Kaali, Durga. Just theoretically. In real life we dont encourage women to contribute equally. no city is safe enough for women at night. they are victive of violance in rural areas. Woemen and chidlren shape our futur with their hand. u ignore them, and you have ruined your future. Women needs lot of support right now. they are half of population. india is growing, it needs lot of work anyway. we dont want to let china sit on our head.
