Guys grow up if you want to fight in the name of religion here then its the purpose we are solving for few cheap politicians. One thing you all should understand that No religion teaches hatredness. No religion can be acceptable to masses if it does so. Since GOD has placed an angel characteristic in everybody, so it cannot be possible that large masses can go wrong. So dont target each others religion, it has nothing wrong... The wrong thing lies in our innerself. Somewhere I have read that Quran speaks : If anybody kills an innocent person its like killing of whole humanity and the otherway if any body saves a person its like saving of whole humanity. Yes, it also teaches j1h8d but thats how all the religion teaches to fight against the BAD. Doesnt Shri Krishna in Geeta tells Arjun to fight against his own family memebts saying that the people standing against you are not your family members but they are your enemy since they are not in 'Dharma'. Now unfortunately its the human being who decides what is BAD... and fight against it giving under cover of religion naming it as j1h8d or dharmayudh or crusades. Sometimes it may be right or sometime its someone's personal. So targetting a person based on his bad work can be acceptable but targetting a religion means you are lowering yourself.
Re: Dont Fight !
by Walli Allah on Apr 29, 2010 08:55 AM
Rightly said, but you should appreciate the difference. Sanathana Dharma does not give right to people to fight, kill and destroy in the name of God, but orders us to stay with Dharma. Sri Krushna has himself said in :-
“Whenever and wherever there is decay of righteousness, O! Bharat and rise in un-righteousness, I shall manifest myself." or.. Whenever and wherever there is a decline in religious practice, O descendant of Bharata, and a predominant rise of irreligion--at that time I descend Myself.
So, Sanathan Dharma does not give right to fight and kill in the name of god!! But it says that for dharma one should stand for his rights and selfrespect, provided those are not maintained as a showoff. One should be aware what's his rights and selfrespect is. God himself says that whenever is is adharma he shall come and teach lessons to the evil. This is Sanathana Dharma's pillar and this is how it is different from western religions. So ..dont confuse and become so naive that the evil finds place in your thoughts which could eventually destroy each one of us.
Re: Dont Fight !
by vishal sinha on Oct 14, 2010 06:20 PM
idiots.......... no 2 humans are same ..likewise no 2 religions are same... if hinduism is a religion islam is not and viice versa... k uran is a perfect hatebook... u know teachings of ur religion and expect is lam to be similar..guess what it is not...its a military -political-social group....
Re: Dont Fight !
by vishal sinha on Oct 14, 2010 06:19 PM
idiots.......... no 2 humans are same ..likewise no 2 religions are same... if hinduism is a religion islam is not and viice versa... k uran is a perfect hatebook... u know teachings of ur religion and expect is lam to be similar..guess what it is not...its a military -political-social group....
Sanatana Dharma, meaning “Eternal or Universal Righteousness” is the original name of what is now popularly called Hinduism. Sanatana Dharma comprises of spiritual laws which govern the human existence. Sanatana Dharma is to human life what natural laws are to the physical phenomena. Just as the phenomena of gravitation existed before it was discovered, the spiritual laws of life are eternal laws which existed before they were discovered by the ancient rishis (sages) for the present age during the Vedic period. Sanatana Dharma declares that something cannot come out of nothing and, therefore, the universe itself is the manifestation of the Divine being. This truth forms the invocation of the Isa Upanishad (a Hindu scripture):
That is full; this is full. The full comes out of the full. Taking the full from the full, the full itself remains.
This verse expresses the mystery of creation. This universe comes forth from the Divine, yet the universe takes nothing from the Divine and adds nothing to It. Divine remains ever the same. Since the universe has come forth from the Divine, all things and beings are sacred and must be treated so in human thought and action. The Divine sleeps in minerals, awakens in plants, walks in animals and thinks in humans.
Re: The Meaning of "Sanathana Dharma"
by Walli Allah on Apr 28, 2010 10:12 AM
Sanatana Dharma looks upon a person as a part and parcel of the mighty Whole, but never regards him as “the Measure of all things.” In the West, “person” is a supreme and final value, while Sanatana Dharma regards person as a part of the Whole, having the same vital essence as all other human and sub-human creatures of the universe. This cosmic view of Hinduism transcends the sectarian or group dogmas and paves a way for the coexistence of all creatures under the Vedic principle of Vasudev Kutumbhkam, meaning “The Universe is One Family.” This principle guides the humankind towards universal harmony through acceptance and tolerance.
Sanatana Dharma recognizes that the Ultimate Reality, which is the ground of infinite potentiality and actualization, cannot be limited by any name or concept. The potential for human wholeness (or in other frames of reference, enlightenment, salvation, liberation, transformation, blessedness, nirvana, moksha) is present in every human being. No race or religion is superior and no color or creed is inferior. All humans are spiritually united like the drops of water in an ocean.
Re: Re: The Meaning of
by Walli Allah on Apr 28, 2010 04:00 PM
No way...Excessive posesesstuib if Money and material things are prohibited in Sanathana dharma.
I am not a guru or something. I dont take money to stand for good and against evil. I am a professional and dedicated folower of Sanathana Dharma and hence the Paramatma ( also called Vibhuatma and Vishvatma ).
Re: Re: Re: Re: The Meaning of
by Walli Allah on Apr 29, 2010 08:43 AM
Being a Hindu you have inherited a greatest of all religions named Sanathana Dharma... a way of natural life. Paramatma has himself shown us his true powers to us as stated in Srimad Bhagawat Gita to the people of this country and and this world. Dont betray your great religion. Learn it, Spread it, Fight for it (non violently as far as possible and justified) and Stay by it. Stand by rightiousness and Dharma. Remember Paramatma in Geeta has said people of this yuga are blessed that I have comedown as Krushna to establish Dharma and teach lesson to Evil. He also said to Arjun that in the entire creation he is the only one who has seen,felt and understood Parmatma and no one else before and afterwards will be or have been so blessed. We being the Sanathans and the decendents of such great people and ancestory should always stay by what our forefathers have followed, nurtured and handed over to us. Please reject all the western ways of believing and living. They are just temporary and aggrasive. Over they will be proved wrong. But at the sametime please stay away from some superstitious godly methods and processes followed in Hinduism. Clear your thoughts and vision understand the true nature of Sanathana Dhama and follow it like your habits. Develop you sense and thinking process. You will see the difference in life. Remember there is no castisim in Sanathana Dharma. Dont ignore people on the basis of cast. OM Sri Paramatmaney Namaha!! OM Namah Bhagawatey Vasudevaya!
why do all readers forget that sikhs had to fight court cases to keep their beards in Canada. People are not allowed to practice their religion in Europe. The fact is the Christian countries are the biggest threat to humanity. But people like them because they propogate immoral way of living which majority of the people like. Have people forgotten that the Christian world has given birth and strength to Taliban and now when they oppose the immoral way of living all of a sudden Taliban has become terrorist organisation.
Re: taliban
by vishal sinha on Oct 14, 2010 06:23 PM
in saudi araabia they cut sikh hairs on the spot...forget fighting a case...so keeep things in perspective
Re: taliban
by Ashok Gupta on Apr 27, 2010 09:18 PM
Open your brain, open your heart and open your intelligence. You will begin to see world impartially, not like Mulayam, Lalu, Sita Ram Yechur, Bin Laden, Kasab....If not, you will be a closed minded creature!
Re: Re: taliban
by rohit pawaskar on Apr 28, 2010 04:49 PM
this is exactly I am requesting each one of you to do and realise that the christians are the real terrosrist.
There are bigger Talibans in India. The policeman is a hated person in India. For a few thousand rupees he can arrest anybody and ruin his life. He is supported in his action by his higher ups, judges and politicians. Any doubts about that?
Mr. Walli Allah as u posted some paragraph of quran meaning that is true but u r jumping from one pargraph to another but u have not posted the those paragraph in which context is available and context matter becouse without context meaning can change like i want to eat what eat food aur person that is context . and becouse u guys who dont have a much mind and dnt have ability to understand are doing wrong thing in this world on the name of islam this is not the problem of Islam this the problem of u guys. first u people have to grow. some of the people are doing wrong in this world having muslim name islam is not a such religion that repersnt by name and khandan.mr Walli Allah like u have also a muslim name but u dnt understand. and some of the people are doing wrong having muslim name they are not muslim..............this is not a such type of religion which will inherit from parent to child. its all about the education and after education implementaion of those education properly practise then u can called as a muslim. u have only name like a muslim aur u born and brought up in muslim family but u dnt know the basic thing of islam u cant be a muslim. allah hafiz
Re: misunderstanding about islam
by Walli Allah on Apr 28, 2010 09:15 AM
Every muslim says the same thing about the other muslim...that the other one is not a complete or rightful muslim. Talibanis say the same about the other muslims. Dont say whatver you said above to any of your people on face, you will get killed and butchered. Know yourself and people first.
Then what is the use of education which cannot be passed on from father to child. This is another good example of how islam makes people not follow their family values and do whatever he or she likes in the name of religion and God. A child does not necessarily have a equal wise mind like his father, so he should learn from his father. But if does not as per your above argument...then his acts against humanity with support of islam has to be justified as inhuman. Read your book..dear and growup to realise the dark nature of your religion.
Re: Re: misunderstanding about islam
by imroz sohail on Apr 28, 2010 10:37 AM
Ha ha ha ha ha mr.Walli Allah again foolish comment. u know some prove himself as good by two way one is my his good things and another one is just point out of wrong thing of other u are like that. u know ur religion does not educate u to respect avery one feelings i think as ur comment show i am not saying any thing and i am not going to prove any wrong thing about any religion. bcz islam does not allowd to do thing which hurt any one . islam always teach us to make happy others first. allah hafiz
Re: Re: Re: misunderstanding about islam
by Walli Allah on Apr 28, 2010 12:04 PM
The world knows that islam does not teach neither democracy nor inclusiveness. It is the rightful duty of a all real human beings to point out the bad and stand against it. So I am doing it. No amount of comments or taunts on your part can stop me from doing that. The world know it for long and now they are even realising it. It is better for you to growup, change to new and human ethical way of living rather than trying to live like people of dark ages during mohammad times.
Re: Re: Re: Re: misunderstanding about islam
by imroz sohail on Apr 28, 2010 01:13 PM
being a muslim its my duty to tell right way to all the humanity. i am just doing which my dear allah has told in quran and the right ways is only as islam told. if u r relly doing for humanity peace insa-allah u will take islam path i chalange u today and always if u are really for humanity....this is the only way where u can get success and peace for humanity.
Re: Re: Re: Re: misunderstanding about islam
by Azfar Farooq on Apr 28, 2010 11:57 PM
u r a hindu rite.... nywaz wat eva t z brother dn fight in d name f religion undrstand n practice ur religion wl tel u smthn... u knw,even hnduism doesnt preach idol worship... dn believe me...ts smthn chapter 8 or 32 of geeta ...chk t out....f u dn get t...repli me bak...vl tell u d exact 1... undrstand ur religion first.......allah hafiz
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: misunderstanding about islam
by Walli Allah on Apr 29, 2010 09:10 AM
My dear brother...in Sanathana dharma we done worship the supremelord by making his idols. We worship him by Karma and reading Srimad Bhagawat Gita. The Idols are of devi and devatas like Surya deva, Agnideva, Maha deva etc. We dont worship them but we praise them. Many hindus and non hindus as well dont understand this. The only one whom we pray is Paramatma. In Gita it is said that the only way to worship Parmatma is through Karma i.e good deads with rightiousness and selfrespect. We are not allowed to make temples for Parmatma since he cannot be confined to one place. Everything in this universe belongs to him and he is the only one who is never ending and non changing and everything else in this world is otherwise. But we are allowed to make temple of Sri Krushna since Parmatma has shown us his real powers through him and Sri Krushna primerliy being in human shape and size. This is how it is different from islam. My friend it is good that you have asked this question.
Re: Re: Re: Re: misunderstanding about islam
by imroz sohail on Apr 28, 2010 12:28 PM
u like a ant cant do any thing . the people of islam are living in the light of islam thats wy this is one of the religion which have 2nd most population in this world not in particular country. u ant ha ah aha ha do ur work and u will get islam will spread more and more i challenge u today and always insa-allah.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: misunderstanding about islam
by Chaitali Saha on Apr 28, 2010 01:08 PM
2nd most population in world follows islam, is correct. But do you know how that has happend? You guys believe in converting all non-muslims to islam by hook or by crook. That has happend in India and many part of the world. Ppl are accepting islam only to save their lives and not out of respect to Islam.
There are many incidents happend in India, Young guys are Paid by madaresas to convert non muslim girl and to make her pregnant then leave her with her new born "Muslim" child. This is ferocious...
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: misunderstanding about islam
by imroz sohail on Apr 28, 2010 02:38 PM
ha ha ha . this is really a frustraion. by hook and crook ohhh really how you my dear escape i think u have a ultimate hidden quality. for you conformation you are proving that islam has not spread by hook and crook becouse in india muslim as ruled over 100 years hw u scape. aur if 2nd most populated religion as spread by hook and crook then most populated religion what has done (again hook and crook u will say such a foolish and stupid statement really illogical)
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: misunderstanding about islam
by imroz sohail on Apr 28, 2010 02:40 PM
ha ha ha . this is really a frustraion. by hook and crook ohhh really how you my dear escape i think u have a ultimate hidden quality. for you conformation you are proving that islam has not spread by hook and crook becouse in india muslim as ruled over 100 years hw u scape. aur if 2nd most populated religion as spread by hook and crook then most populated religion what has done (again hook and crook u will say such a foolish and stupid statement really illogical)
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: misunderstanding about islam
by Chaitali Saha on Apr 28, 2010 04:31 PM
And Above all, I'm not talking about those who managed to retain their senity, still you must not forget christianism is still no. 1 in terms of population, I'm talking about those who were converted.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: misunderstanding about islam
by Walli Allah on Apr 28, 2010 03:17 PM
The reply of Chaitali Saha is absolutely right. It is better that we are understanding these evil people and thier intensions. May God save the good people from these islamic scavengers.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: misunderstanding about islam
by vishal sinha on Oct 14, 2010 06:30 PM
it seems imroz has forgotton...yeah it was 200 years back...when his great-grandmother was raped to bring him into existence... however we remember..bad things done to our(you) people
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: misunderstanding about islam
by Walli Allah on Apr 28, 2010 03:11 PM
My dear friend. In this KaliYuga, it is said that satanic religions in the name of GOD will succeed and prosper. Your islam and its evil book is one of them. So today your religion is 2nd most growing religion. This is the proof. Even Jesus Christ has warned of evil and scrupulous preachers propagating religion in this age. There are no people more evil than you guys and there is no religion more evil than islam. God is there in accepting him and in rejecting him also, since remember him while rejecting him is whats people do. So your religion is not the only one which praises God. There are better religions which are better than yours who propagate peace and co-living. It is shameful that educated people like you dont see the evil and justify inhumanness. May be you are not actually educated. You cannot spread islam with love and non violence that is the challenge I can give you today. I will never nor will allow anyone near to me to go back to Islam at any cost. Because of the character of islam and we reject it and Insha Allah in the days to come there will be more people who will reject it...although they will be minority. In Kaliyuga it is said that the good, bright, and rightious things will always be in minority. If you are human enough then change yourself and growup to a proper ethical human. You are supporting something which has taken lives of many thousands people throughout the ages in past and it is still continuing to take. One day your turn will come.
Re: Re: Re: misunderstanding about islam
by vishal sinha on Oct 14, 2010 06:26 PM
imroz sohail.......the way things are going around the world it seems is lam is just meant to hurt (please its a fact)...u guys are completely brainwashed...
Too much written and heard here, but it has to be realized that may be Islam or may be Hinduism , since long our religions are being manipulated by kings and leaders of various eras and it can be said that sometimes or other one person of one religion dominated other.Ofcourse when in 786 AD Mohm bin Qasim first time came to India ( Then Indian provinces started from Kandhar means Afghanistan) then Islam was brought in India.1192 was a significant year when Mohd Ghauri defeated Prithvi Raj Chauhan in his 16th attempt, since then we can say till 1857 Muslim leaders ruled Indian terettories then Britishers.Now our very own corrupt Lalus, Pawars, Bangarus,Modis. This will continue till world ends.I mean to say, to rule middle class Indians, religion is the best weapon because its our culture which is deep inside our blood and veins and if our mind prevails then rulers cant rule us, they cant go berserk so maintain the illiteracy, powerty and sentiments regarding religion then be the king.Power corrupts society but hatred corrupts generation which we are carrying through our blood since centuries and if we keep on thinking like this same type of words will be used by our coming generations on websites even after million years.
